Sleeper pick: Jonathan Issac

[gouki88]

I always liked the Cliff Robinson comparisons far more than the KD ones. Who knows what Isaac will be.

[Chief Macho]

wasn't he their very first workout?   it would also explain how danny's almost positive he'll be there at 3.

[celticinorlando]

Isaac is the biggest mystery of the draft. Nobody has a clue how good or bad. Heck most people have no clue what position he will play

[Surferdad]

Woj says its between tatum and Jackson.

I agree as I see Jackson as a taller skinnier Marcus Smart, i.e., doesn't address shooting issues or paint protection.

Many of us have had to do a crash course in the 1-10 likely picks because we all assumed it was Fultz and stopped doing research shortly after the lottery.

FWIW, nbadraft.net has Orlando taking Isaac at 6.

[KGBirdBias]

I still want Tatum but for needs, I would be thrilled with Issac. If he already worked out for the Celtics, this could be the guy and Ainge was always trading down to get him.

Issac = Porzingis without the ballhandling of KD but the shot blocking ability of McGee.

Just what the Dr ordered for this team. Issac would clean up on the garbage buckets.

[KGBirdBias]

I'm beginning to think Ainge moved down as far as he could if Issac is the pick. People keep saying he could be had at 5 or later. The problem is those teams are expected to grab him so they aren't moving out of that spot.

I think he's going to shock people with this pick. Remember the Rozier pick...no one saw that coming.

1-Fultz
2-Ball
3-Issac
4-Tatum
5-Jackson

Ainge is the ultimate poker player when everyone has him taking Tatum or Jackson, he takes Issac.

[max215]

I originally posted this in another thread, but I see at lot of people misunderstand Isaac's game and potential, so I'm going to repost it here:

I love Isaac, but comparing him to Kevin Durant is so unbelievably irresponsible. Isaac is a low-usage, do-it-all role player. He should be able to be absolutely elite defensively, elite on the boards, a capable catch-and-shoot threat in the half court, and a terror running the floor. He is NOT a take-over-the-game, impose-your-will superstar. If you insist on making an upside comparison, you're picking the wrong Warrior; Isaac is far more comparable, as a superstar role player, to Draymond Green than Kevin Durant. Isaac is an outstanding prospect not because of his superstar upside, but despite it.

[Green-18]

I originally posted this in another thread, but I see at lot of people misunderstand Isaac's game and potential, so I'm going to repost it here:

I love Isaac, but comparing him to Kevin Durant is so unbelievably irresponsible. Isaac is a low-usage, do-it-all role player. He should be able to be absolutely elite defensively, elite on the boards, a capable catch-and-shoot threat in the half court, and a terror running the floor. He is NOT a take-over-the-game, impose-your-will superstar. If you insist on making an upside comparison, you're picking the wrong Warrior; Isaac is far more comparable, as a superstar role player, to Draymond Green than Kevin Durant. Isaac is an outstanding prospect not because of his superstar upside, but despite it.

By no means am I saying your are wrong but maybe there is more to his upside that Brad and Danny see.  Let's not forget that Giannis was grossly underrated by everyone as a prospect.  I wouldn't rule out the potential that Celtics management sees an even greater ceiling than anyone else is projecting. 

[slamtheking]

I originally posted this in another thread, but I see at lot of people misunderstand Isaac's game and potential, so I'm going to repost it here:

I love Isaac, but comparing him to Kevin Durant is so unbelievably irresponsible. Isaac is a low-usage, do-it-all role player. He should be able to be absolutely elite defensively, elite on the boards, a capable catch-and-shoot threat in the half court, and a terror running the floor. He is NOT a take-over-the-game, impose-your-will superstar. If you insist on making an upside comparison, you're picking the wrong Warrior; Isaac is far more comparable, as a superstar role player, to Draymond Green than Kevin Durant. Isaac is an outstanding prospect not because of his superstar upside, but despite it.

interesting.  the comparison's I've heard of Isaac is to KG, not KD.  this seems to be a comparable to what I've heard.  I'd hope he'd  become like KG-lite since he supposedly has the drive of Smart and Brown.

not sure I'd want him at 3 if Tatum and Jackson are still on the board (one of them certainly will be) though Tatum needs work on his D and physique while Jackson needs to develop a shot.  I love Marcus but I really don't want another young player that has issues with their shooting like Jackson.  Isaac may offer a bit of what both Tatum and Jackson offer but with more size (which we really need).  wouldn't have to necessarily rely on Brooklyn sucking next year (which they will) to get that big man prospect.

[tstorey_97]

I wouldn't be shocked. Isaac is very very long, runs fast, jumps and hits outside shots which the Boston Celtics are just plain fresh out of with the crew below.

Amir walks ok, but, that is the extent of his athleticism.
Amir's "backup" Gerald Green can jump, he just averages 3 minutes a game.
Olynyk's arms are a combined 18 inches shorter than Isaac's.
Zeller is paid about $5M more than Isaac would be and, of course, Zeller doesn't play...at all.

Of course, Ainge may trade the pick and get some max's which means all the above listed players will be traded or cut anyway...(sigh).

[kraidstar]

I originally posted this in another thread, but I see at lot of people misunderstand Isaac's game and potential, so I'm going to repost it here:

I love Isaac, but comparing him to Kevin Durant is so unbelievably irresponsible. Isaac is a low-usage, do-it-all role player. He should be able to be absolutely elite defensively, elite on the boards, a capable catch-and-shoot threat in the half court, and a terror running the floor. He is NOT a take-over-the-game, impose-your-will superstar. If you insist on making an upside comparison, you're picking the wrong Warrior; Isaac is far more comparable, as a superstar role player, to Draymond Green than Kevin Durant. Isaac is an outstanding prospect not because of his superstar upside, but despite it.

TP

He is IMO a rim protector with elite defensive potential. Which is a terrific attribute, he an athletic freak and could really dominate at that end.

His other abilities are OK, but he's never going to be an offensive star. Maybe he develops some KG-level shooting, which would be nice, but he won't be slashing to the rim at the end of games for and-1's.

[Surferdad]

I originally posted this in another thread, but I see at lot of people misunderstand Isaac's game and potential, so I'm going to repost it here:

I love Isaac, but comparing him to Kevin Durant is so unbelievably irresponsible. Isaac is a low-usage, do-it-all role player. He should be able to be absolutely elite defensively, elite on the boards, a capable catch-and-shoot threat in the half court, and a terror running the floor. He is NOT a take-over-the-game, impose-your-will superstar. If you insist on making an upside comparison, you're picking the wrong Warrior; Isaac is far more comparable, as a superstar role player, to Draymond Green than Kevin Durant. Isaac is an outstanding prospect not because of his superstar upside, but despite it.

interesting.  the comparison's I've heard of Isaac is to KG, not KD.  this seems to be a comparable to what I've heard.  I'd hope he'd  become like KG-lite since he supposedly has the drive of Smart and Brown.

not sure I'd want him at 3 if Tatum and Jackson are still on the board (one of them certainly will be) though Tatum needs work on his D and physique while Jackson needs to develop a shot.  I love Marcus but I really don't want another young player that has issues with their shooting like Jackson.  Isaac may offer a bit of what both Tatum and Jackson offer but with more size (which we really need).  wouldn't have to necessarily rely on Brooklyn sucking next year (which they will) to get that big man prospect.

You can speculate that the trade was designed to get a GOOD big man soon, either in this draft or 2018, or at worst in 2019.  Between the two drafts, Ainge now has 3 "shots on goal" with lottery picks.

[celticinorlando]

He an rebound...which is something Boston really needs

[KGBirdBias]

I like the comparison to KG. I don't see any comparison to Green in him at all.

One thing we need without blinking is size, rebounding and shot blocking. He does that on the very first day. Remember how Stevens kept starting Amir even when he wasn't producing. He knows he needs those intangible big man skills. Imagine all those buckets, rebounds and shot blocks that Amir could've had...those would go to Issac. No offense will be run for him but he can get 8 points, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks on day one on this team.

[ETNCeltics]

Just, no. Another offensively challenged role player.