Schultz: Danny thinks Tatum could be Pierce 2.0, a reason why he traded down

[Bobshot]

Good to see Danny is seeing Tatum as I saw him on the video this morning.  :laugh:Seriously. I thought for a brief moment I was seeing Pierce on his shot release.  I liked what I saw. He's one of those natural scorers. 20 ppg guy.

The only question is he quick enough? But PP and Larry weren't any quicker. Not that he's near those guys in potential.

Trouble is, Ainge maybe has given Philly the impression he preferred Tatum over Fultz, which may explain why the swap keeps getting diluted by the hour. A reminder to Philly that the Lakers are there at #2 to take Fultz if he's available.

PP and Larry isn't going against Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Giannis Antetokounpo, Kevin Durant, and even LeBron James (well, Paul did). Elite athletes with length.

Can his "smooth" game be good enough to get buckets against those guys?

Larry and Paul also had a few guys around them like McHale, Parish and KG to handle the bigs.
But these guys also had the scoring touch. They could get the big points. Make the big plays.
"Naturals." The hope is maybe this kid is one of those naturals. But at 18 or 19, who is to know?
In a couple years, he might be a different player. And I wouldn't underestimate his length. He's still growing and is pretty good around the basket right now, blocking shots.

[gouki88]

Good to see Danny is seeing Tatum as I saw him on the video this morning.  :laugh:Seriously. I thought for a brief moment I was seeing Pierce on his shot release.  I liked what I saw. He's one of those natural scorers. 20 ppg guy.

The only question is he quick enough? But PP and Larry weren't any quicker. Not that he's near those guys in potential.

Trouble is, Ainge maybe has given Philly the impression he preferred Tatum over Fultz, which may explain why the swap keeps getting diluted by the hour. A reminder to Philly that the Lakers are there at #2 to take Fultz if he's available.

PP and Larry isn't going against Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Giannis Antetokounpo, Kevin Durant, and even LeBron James (well, Paul did). Elite athletes with length.

Can his "smooth" game be good enough to get buckets against those guys?

True .  Bird only faced such nailed-to-the-floor types like Michael Cooper, James Worthy, Bobby Jones, Dr. J, Derek Smith, Dudley Bradley, Rodney McCray, Clyde Drexler, Jerome Kersey, Dennis Rodman, John Salley, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, and Michael Jordan, for starters, and don't forget about Paul Pressey, either.  I'm sure that I've forgotten a few guys, but yeah.

Dominique who??

There's always a place for smooth crafty offensive players.

[Bobshot]

Stop talking about Tatum...Magic may be reading.

Magic is currently cutting good players to absorb George before the Cavs get him.

[vjcsmoke]

Tatum doesn't look that athletic.  But he does give you a "WOW" moment here and there in games.  What he is -- very crafty offensive player who can score a number of ways.  Inside, outside, midrange, off the dribble, shot fake, fingeroll.  He's got the complete offensive moveset.

Check his highlights:
https://youtu.be/PGyILRo4Sjs

He could basically be Carmello-lite for us.  Which might be good enough for the #3 overall pick.  I'm a lot more scared to take Josh Jackson, because even though he's more athletic and higher ceiling than Tatum, his shot flat out sucks.  He really needs to fix his shooting.

I'd love for us to use #3 plus other assets to get a star right now.  AD would be perfect.  But if we have to pick between Tatum and Jackson, I feel like Tatum is the safe pick.  He will score in the NBA.  The question is can he be as dominant as he was at the college level when all the athletes are now bigger, faster, and more explosive than what he faced in college?

Another question would be... if Josh Jackson slides to #3 and another team comes calling, does DA trade down again or keep the pick and select one of JJ or Tatum?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Good to see Danny is seeing Tatum as I saw him on the video this morning.  :laugh:Seriously. I thought for a brief moment I was seeing Pierce on his shot release.  I liked what I saw. He's one of those natural scorers. 20 ppg guy.

The only question is he quick enough? But PP and Larry weren't any quicker. Not that he's near those guys in potential.

Trouble is, Ainge maybe has given Philly the impression he preferred Tatum over Fultz, which may explain why the swap keeps getting diluted by the hour. A reminder to Philly that the Lakers are there at #2 to take Fultz if he's available.

PP and Larry isn't going against Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Giannis Antetokounpo, Kevin Durant, and even LeBron James (well, Paul did). Elite athletes with length.

Can his "smooth" game be good enough to get buckets against those guys?

True .  Bird only faced such nailed-to-the-floor types like Michael Cooper, James Worthy, Bobby Jones, Dr. J, Derek Smith, Dudley Bradley, Rodney McCray, Clyde Drexler, Jerome Kersey, Dennis Rodman, John Salley, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, and Michael Jordan, for starters, and don't forget about Paul Pressey, either.  I'm sure that I've forgotten a few guys, but yeah.

With all due respect to the names you mentioned, I meant defensively. Other than a few names (Scottie, Jordan, Cooper, Worm) Kawhi a better defender than them. Maybe Paul George is too, we can debate about that.

Basically what I'm saying is this...

Jayson Tatum is supposed to be this "smooth" player. Not overly athletic, but moves well, with skill, like Paul and Larry. Now I understand that PP and Legend are HOF players, but it would be a totally different thing being defended by long, athletic, elite defenders. That's what Tatum is about to face.

[footey]

I'm not buying. I think Jackson is more Danny's type. He didn't draft Pierce after all LOL. But he must like Tatum enough - or Ball -- to live with risk of LA taking Jackson at 2.

[knuckleballer]

All season long I chose not to consider Fultz because we only had a 25% chance for him.  I watched a lot of Kansas and Duke games to study Jackson and Tatum. Since we won the number one overall, I've been all aboard the Fultz train.  I was crushed when Ainge traded the pick.  That said, I'm starting to recover and ready to look at other prospects again.

I've been higher on Tatum than Jackson, although I would not suggest someone was wrong for preferring Jackson.  Tatum's athleticism isn't elite, but it's underrated.  He can get above the rim when he wants.  I love his skill level.  He has advanced NBA moves from the mid range.  His 3 point shooting wasn't great, but was decent and he has excellent form.  His mid range shot and free throw shooting suggest he will become a good three point shooter in time.  At times, he ran the point for Duke.  While he wasn't great, he did show a lot of promise for a 6'8" freshman.  One thing that I don't think has been pointed out enough is how much his body changed from the spring of 2016 to the 2016 college season.  He looked like he put on a good 15 pounds.  I think this is important because it still looks like he could put on another 20 pounds of muscle which will help in many ways.

[Emmette Bryant]

All season long I chose not to consider Fultz because we only had a 25% chance for him.  I watched a lot of Kansas and Duke games to study Jackson and Tatum. Since we won the number one overall, I've been all aboard the Fultz train.  I was crushed when Ainge traded the pick.  That said, I'm starting to recover and ready to look at other prospects agains.

I've been higher on Tatum than Jackson, although I would not suggest someone was wrong for preferring Jackson.  Tatum's athleticism isn't elite, but it's underrated.  He can get above the rim when he wants.  I love his skill level.  He has advanced NBA moves from the mid range.  His 3 point shooting wasn't great, but was decent and he has excellent form.  His mid range shot and free throw shooting suggest he will become a good three point shooter in time.  At times, he ran the point for
Duke.  While he wasn't great, he did show a lot of promise for a 6'8" freshman.  One thing that I don't think has been pointed out enough is how much his body changed from the spring of 2016 to the 2016 college season.  He looked like he put on a good 15 pounds.  I think this is important because it still looks like he could put on another 20 pounds of muscle which will help in many ways.

This is how I've approached this draft. TP for articulating it better than I could.

[PaulP34]

The more I watch Tatum the more I fall in love with his game. I think his quickness is really underrated and the 85% ft shooting suggests to me that he can extend his range to 3 point territory.

What's he like athletically?

BTW love your G.W. Bush quote. Had no idea that idiot could say something that smart!

Im sure someone wrote that quote for Bush and hoped he practiced saying it over and over in the mirror to get it right lol

[PaulP34]

Rumors swirling that the Lakers now wanna trade the #2 pick to the Suns in a copycat trade the Celtics just made for their 4th slot and 018 pick. Interesting hope the Suns dont nab Tatum

[CelticsElite]

If the suns and Lakers do a deal, that means the suns want to take dannys guy, and Lakers getting ball

[PaulP34]

If the suns and Lakers do a deal, that means the suns want to take dannys guy, and Lakers getting ball

Suns think Ball will be great with Deven Booker and Lakers still like the idea of Tatum or Fox. Should be interesting

[Emmette Bryant]

https://twitter.com/jaytatum0/status/329757307892273153

[celticinorlando]

Give me Tatum

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'm going to have to get used to Jayson Tatum, so I will try and watch videos of him for the next 5 days to get me hyped up.

I think this will calm me down a little bit more.