The 3rd pick for Porzingis

[celticinorlando]

This is the moment why you get all those assets. Use them

[keevsnick]

Knicks will never make this trade. It will take at least 3 and next year BKN pick to even have a chance to acquire Zinger

I agree it would take more than the 3rd pick, but I don't think it would take that much. I think the package is #3, a starter (like crowder), and another decent asset like the mephis pick.

if Boston had Porzingis what would you want back in a trade?  It would have taken more than 1 to get him so any trade has to be at least what Boston acquired 1 for.

See I disagree, I don't think it would have taken more than #1 to get him. The guy is good, and a great fit for our team but I also think he's been a bit overrated. In any event the problem is you are assuming New York is a competent franchise, and they are not. If they were they wouldn't even be thinking about trading Kristaps.

the experts I e read tjat have been asked all agree tjat Zinger would go 1 in this draft if he was in it. If he goes 1 that means his value exceeds 1. It will take 3 plus the BKN or LA pick.

Now if you take Noah or Anthony maybe that lowers the price and 3 plus some role players like Crowder would be enough

See we are having an argument of what he's worth against what he is going to go for. From the people I've heard you are correct, he would either go 1 or second behind Fultz. But you have to consider that he has 2 years less on his contract than a draft pick, and he has shown some injury concerns the last couple years. That lowers his value a little bit. Then factor in that Phil Jackson is bad at his job and I don't think the 3# plus other stuff is all that crazy especially if the knicks are really high on josh Jackson.

You have to also factor in that Porzingis has clearly proven he can be highly productive in the NBA. He doesn't have the doubts that come with most draft picks.

Absolutely true. But he hasn't proven yet that he's a star of the Butler/George level. Furthermore this is a pretty good draft, so the #3 pick is probably worth more than it is in an average season. Ultimately however you may be right. He may be worth the 33 + LA/SAC, I just dot think the Celtics would give that up for him. We shall see. What we can all agree is the draft is gonna be fun.

[Ilikesports17]

Danny's like "no, the 3rd pick is too valuable for Porzingis. Let me trade down."

Cue the report in 2 days that the deal would've been done, but C's wouldn't include [insert random role player that will never be as good as Porzingis currently is].

Lol.

Gotta love people suddenly acting like Danny Ainge is a bad GM.

If Ainge wants Porzingis, he'll get Porzingis.

Never said Danny is a "bad" GM. Just realistic.

We've had a few chances to potentially trade for star talent. We didn't even throw our hats into the ring for Demarcus Cousins. We allegedly let Jae Crowder be the deal breaker for Jimmy Butler at he trade deadline. Lots of coulda, woulda, shoulda in terms of turning these picks into actual players.

To be fair jae crowder has value and anything that has value can be the straw that broke the camels back. If we had a deal in place for butler that was fair and then Chicago demanded Crowder I'm glad that Danny put his foot down.

[Ilikesports17]

My biggest takeaway is that in order to get George LA has to beat the #4 pick. LA can't do that without putting #2 on the table and I don't think they want to do that.

[Bobshot]

I don't like Porzingis. He can shoot 3s and block shots, but he's a big gawky kid who would be an average player if he was 4 inches shorter. The league is about athleticism right now, and that's not him.

[crimson_stallion]

This is the moment why you get all those assets. Use them

Sorry,  but Danny Ainge hasn't taken the training course in how to utilise assets to acquire players.   He only knows how to aquire assets,  my how to use them once they've been acquired.

[cltc5]

I don't like Porzingis. He can shoot 3s and block shots, but he's a big gawky kid who would be an average player if he was 4 inches shorter. The league is about athleticism right now, and that's not him.

Ummmmm

[gouki88]

I don't like Porzingis. He can shoot 3s and block shots, but he's a big gawky kid who would be an average player if he was 4 inches shorter. The league is about athleticism right now, and that's not him.

Porzingis isn't athletic? Have you watched him?

[MaxAMillion]

Porzingis here increases your chance of getting Hayward exponentially I would think.  Now you'd have a team that would give Golden State problems.  Porzingis/Horford/Hayward/IT/Bradley - Brown as 6th man.  I'll take my chances with that group.

GS would run right past that team. Not enough defense to cause them problems. You going to put Horford and Porzingis on the floor together? GS would laugh at that. Who will Heyward guard? Answer...nobody.

[Phantom255x]

I don't like Porzingis. He can shoot 3s and block shots, but he's a big gawky kid who would be an average player if he was 4 inches shorter. The league is about athleticism right now, and that's not him.

[Rosco917]

Why do I get the feeling Melo will have to be attached to any Porzingis trade?

It makes sense, Porzingis seems to not be enjoying his time in New York, he doesn't like the triangle offense as half the team doesn't. I think the possibility is they don't think the Zinger wants to stay a Knick when FA times comes around.

Get rid of Melo, and the salary, and head off Porzingis walking away for nothing.

 

[crimson_stallion]

I don't like Porzingis. He can shoot 3s and block shots, but he's a big gawky kid who would be an average player if he was 4 inches shorter. The league is about athleticism right now, and that's not him.

We desperately need a starting big next to Horford - its there a better option out there?

There's Griffin sure,  but he's older,  he's injury prone, he's an average defender,  and he's a free agent - which means Boston has no control over whether they can get him. Decision is all Blakes.

I don't LOVE Porzingis, but he is a huge mismatch problem and is very skilled and he's only 21.

[mrceltics2013]

PG: IT/Smart/Rozier
SG: Hayward/Brown
SF: Griffin/Nader
PF: Horford/Yabu
C: Zinger/2nd rounder/ Big Z

I mean if they just want 2 starts and the 3rd (AB "Although I prefer Smart", Crowder, and 3rd pick) we would still have all our future assets. We also would free up like 10m right? So uhhh can we not either sign both Griffin and Hayward or sign and trade for one easily? Think we would be knocking on door for super team in 2 years.

[jambr380]

I don't like Porzingis. He can shoot 3s and block shots, but he's a big gawky kid who would be an average player if he was 4 inches shorter. The league is about athleticism right now, and that's not him.

And I would be an amazing player if I were 4 inches taller...that's basketball.

At this point, I don't know how Danny doesn't take Jackson - it sounds like every team wants him (more so than Dunn in the '16 draft). If we do make the pick and choose anybody else, this Porzingis hype is going to make for a repeat of last year. Our poor soon-to-be booed draft pick.

Hopefully it doesn't come down to this, though, and we get Porzingis for the #3 and change. If Phil sets up a trade with PHX, I would imagine Danny would just take Jackson.

[jpotter33]

We're getting calls. As much as we value Kristaps and what he's done for us, when a guy doesn't show up for an exit meeting everybody starts speculating on the duration or movability from a club," Jackson said in an interview on MSG Network.

"So we've been getting calls and we're listening, but we're not intrigued yet at this level. But as much as we love this guy we have to do what's good for our club."

Phil so petty. This really sounds personal at this point. Phil now feuding with both Carmelo and Kristaps, and he's going to hit the reset button and start all over.

I mean, he has to at this point, right? After all this has went down, you can't really keep Porzingis now, can you? I mean, the Knicks were already dysfunctional, but how much worse will things be now after Phil's antics?