Fultz is being overrated just a little

[droopdog7]

Posted on another thread rating most recent #1 picks and I put Fultz in the lower third as a prospect.  Now, recent #1 picks include Anthony Davis, KAT, John Wall, Derrick Rose, Kyrie, and others.

Now, if Fultz isn't as good as those guys he could still be a perennial all-star and we'd all be very happy.  I agree that he definitely has the highest floor and that floor might be something close to Damian Lillard.  Of course, I think we'd still be very happy. 

But some of the hyperbole surrounding Fultz is prospect is out of control.  Being in the bottom third of recent prospects (in my opinion) does not put him in automatic mega star category (or even star). 

Bottom line is that while Fultz to me is still clearly the best prospect this year, he is not in the territory of an Anthony Davis, Lebron James, Tim Duncan (etc.) of prospects that simply cannot be traded under any circumstances.  He is imminently tradeable if the deal is right.  In the end, I trust DA to make that determination.

[coco]

Well he might or might not turn out. 
In any case, IMHO there is a big drop between Faultz and No.2 pick and a bigger drop passed 3rd pick.

It really is that clear.....

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I don't think it's overrated at all though.

This is a 19 year old kid who's offensive game is already polished. His feel for the game is excellent, and he has the the skills that would translate in the NBA very well.

He's got the athleticism.

He's got the measurables.

Sure, there maybe some intangible concerns but we are looking at a 19 year old kid who could easily start for at least 10 NBA teams and not have to worry about his shooting, his athleticism or if he will be able to do what he does vs NBA men.

The hype is warranted. This kid is special.

[Who]

I love the way Fultz plays at his own speed. The hesitation moves. The change of speeds.

Reminds me a lot of Pierce and Harden. Guys who were not top tier athletes but could get anywhere they wanted because of their high skill levels, smarts and good but not great athleticism.

[droopdog7]

I don't think it's overrated at all though.

This is a 19 year old kid who's offensive game is already polished. His feel for the game is excellent, and he has the the skills that would translate in the NBA very well.

He's got the athleticism.

He's got the measurables.

Sure, there maybe some intangible concerns but we are looking at a 19 year old kid who could easily start for at least 10 NBA teams and not have to worry about his shooting, his athleticism or if he will be able to do what he does vs NBA men.

The hype is warranted. This kid is special.

Depends on your definition of special I guess.  If you reserve it for the true franchise prospects, I would not put him in that category.  Could be become that guy?  Sure, just not what I'm projecting.

He's the top prospect for a reason.  He does have a sophistication to his game that is unusual. But I don't think we're drafting a perennial mvp candidate.  He's just not THAT kind of prospect. And if he isn't that kind of prospect, then other options are viable.

[mctyson]

Posted on another thread rating most recent #1 picks and I put Fultz in the lower third as a prospect.  Now, recent #1 picks include Anthony Davis, KAT, John Wall, Derrick Rose, Kyrie, and others.

Now, if Fultz isn't as good as those guys he could still be a perennial all-star and we'd all be very happy.  I agree that he definitely has the highest floor and that floor might be something close to Damian Lillard.  Of course, I think we'd still be very happy. 

But some of the hyperbole surrounding Fultz is prospect is out of control.  Being in the bottom third of recent prospects (in my opinion) does not put him in automatic mega star category (or even star). 

Bottom line is that while Fultz to me is still clearly the best prospect this year, he is not in the territory of an Anthony Davis, Lebron James, Tim Duncan (etc.) of prospects that simply cannot be traded under any circumstances.  He is imminently tradeable if the deal is right.  In the end, I trust DA to make that determination.

And you could make an argument that Damian Lillard isn't even the best player on his team, which barely won 40 games and didn't make the playoffs....

[mctyson]

I don't think it's overrated at all though.

This is a 19 year old kid who's offensive game is already polished. His feel for the game is excellent, and he has the the skills that would translate in the NBA very well.

He's got the athleticism.

He's got the measurables.

Sure, there maybe some intangible concerns but we are looking at a 19 year old kid who could easily start for at least 10 NBA teams and not have to worry about his shooting, his athleticism or if he will be able to do what he does vs NBA men.

The hype is warranted. This kid is special.

I think the OPs point is that he is a bit overrated in the context of other #1 picks.  To me Fultz seems like he is in the D Rose / Kyrie group of #1s.  Those guys are special talents and All-Stars, worthy of where they were selected.  But they are not the sort of unique, once-in-a-decade player that will make you a Finals contender for 10 or more years.

That is to say, you can find the Fultzs of the NBA world a lot easier than you can find the Shaqs, Duncans, Lebrons, or even A Daviss of the world.

[Dchuck]

I don't think it's overrated at all though.

This is a 19 year old kid who's offensive game is already polished. His feel for the game is excellent, and he has the the skills that would translate in the NBA very well.

He's got the athleticism.

He's got the measurables.

Sure, there maybe some intangible concerns but we are looking at a 19 year old kid who could easily start for at least 10 NBA teams and not have to worry about his shooting, his athleticism or if he will be able to do what he does vs NBA men.

The hype is warranted. This kid is special.

I think the OPs point is that he is a bit overrated in the context of other #1 picks.  To me Fultz seems like he is in the D Rose / Kyrie group of #1s.  Those guys are special talents and All-Stars, worthy of where they were selected.  But they are not the sort of unique, once-in-a-decade player that will make you a Finals contender for 10 or more years.

That is to say, you can find the Fultzs of the NBA world a lot easier than you can find the Shaqs, Duncans, Lebrons, or even A Daviss of the world.

With that logic, u can find 10 Josh Jackson's to every one Markelle Fultz then.

[Somebody]

I don't think it's overrated at all though.

This is a 19 year old kid who's offensive game is already polished. His feel for the game is excellent, and he has the the skills that would translate in the NBA very well.

He's got the athleticism.

He's got the measurables.

Sure, there maybe some intangible concerns but we are looking at a 19 year old kid who could easily start for at least 10 NBA teams and not have to worry about his shooting, his athleticism or if he will be able to do what he does vs NBA men.

The hype is warranted. This kid is special.

I think the OPs point is that he is a bit overrated in the context of other #1 picks.  To me Fultz seems like he is in the D Rose / Kyrie group of #1s.  Those guys are special talents and All-Stars, worthy of where they were selected.  But they are not the sort of unique, once-in-a-decade player that will make you a Finals contender for 10 or more years.

That is to say, you can find the Fultzs of the NBA world a lot easier than you can find the Shaqs, Duncans, Lebrons, or even A Daviss of the world.

Give me prime DRose for 5+ years, I'll take it.

[Jarrin John]

Yet for all this talent, his college team won 9 games?

[ETNCeltics]

Yet for all this talent, his college team won 9 games?

The only thing you can reasonably criticize him in that regard is his choice of college.

[PaulAllen]

my concern is he did not elevate his team... Now most will say hes only one player but if he is is as good as advertised then they should have at least of been a tournament team...

[chiken Green]

my concern is he did not elevate his team... Now most will say hes only one player but if he is is as good as advertised then they should have at least of been a tournament team...

What did all those College wins do for James Young?

In other words why does College matter? The pro game is different, there is more room to operate, you are not playing with some guy who is on his way to his part time burger gig after the game..

Wins and losses in College means absolutely nothing at the next level.. IF you won a chip you were probably playing on a squad that had 6 or 7 other pro players on the roster..

[BostonClamCrowdah]

my concern is he did not elevate his team... Now most will say hes only one player but if he is is as good as advertised then they should have at least of been a tournament team...

What did all those College wins do for James Young?

In other words why does College matter? The pro game is different, there is more room to operate, you are not playing with some guy who is on his way to his part time burger gig after the game..

Wins and losses in College means absolutely nothing at the next level.. IF you won a chip you were probably playing on a squad that had 6 or 7 other pro players on the roster..

Ok find me a couple elite NBA players who lost a ton of college games..? Serious question. Do they exist?

[gouki88]

I don't think it's overrated at all though.

This is a 19 year old kid who's offensive game is already polished. His feel for the game is excellent, and he has the the skills that would translate in the NBA very well.

He's got the athleticism.

He's got the measurables.

Sure, there maybe some intangible concerns but we are looking at a 19 year old kid who could easily start for at least 10 NBA teams and not have to worry about his shooting, his athleticism or if he will be able to do what he does vs NBA men.

The hype is warranted. This kid is special.

I think the OPs point is that he is a bit overrated in the context of other #1 picks.  To me Fultz seems like he is in the D Rose / Kyrie group of #1s.  Those guys are special talents and All-Stars, worthy of where they were selected.  But they are not the sort of unique, once-in-a-decade player that will make you a Finals contender for 10 or more years.

That is to say, you can find the Fultzs of the NBA world a lot easier than you can find the Shaqs, Duncans, Lebrons, or even A Daviss of the world.

Derrick Rose is still a former MVP, and was that legit franchise talent pre-injury.