Your (Practical) Offseason

[knuckleballer]

By my understanding, we can't offer Hayward the max or close to the max if we trade Bradley for a 2017 draft pick.  That is if we intend on keeping Olynyk.

My realistic offseason.

Draft Fultz
Trade Bradley for a 2018 first round pick. 
Sign Hayward
Draft Swanigan with the first 2nd rounder, draft and stash another second rounder, and probably sell the other.
Sign a big to a mid level exception.  (I'm at a loss to who that could be.  Hawes?  Hibbert? Would like to bring back Amir if possible)

IT  Rozier
Smart Fultz (he'll be the backup at both guard spots with Rozier as the 4th big)
Hayward Brown. Nader
Crowder  Olynyk Yab
Horford  (mid level exception big) Swanigan

[Ilikesports17]

Would Avery fit in Dallas? Dirk would like one more shot, and if they could sign Paul and Hayward... That's a nice starting 5

Justin Anderson, Powell, and their pick would work no?

Nope.

[tstorey_97]

Prefer:

Watch coach Mike's highlight films of Bradley's defense on youtube. Then, see how he is ranked as the 6th or 7th in the league at his position. Remark whom he is assigned to cover on defense.

Now go wider in your perspective and look at Bradley and Marcus Smart, their commitment to defense, their style of play and work ethic. Imagine now, Terry Rozier getting beat up and barked at by not one, but two of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA day and day out for two years.

If you talk to the players who play against him? None of them want to play against Bradley tonight.

I suggest that Ainge will not trade Avery Bradley for a draft pick who "might be good in three years" when he already has one of the best in the league at his position.

I just don't see equal value coming back from a player of his type. Easier to keep him.

[tstorey_97]

Prefer:

Watch coach Mike's highlight films of Bradley's defense on youtube. Then, see how he is ranked as the 6th or 7th in the league at his position. Remark whom he is assigned to cover on defense.

Now go wider in your perspective and look at Bradley and Marcus Smart, their commitment to defense, their style of play and work ethic. Imagine now, Terry Rozier getting beat up and barked at by not one, but two of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA day and day out for two years.

If you talk to the players who play against him? None of them want to play against Bradley tonight.

I suggest that Ainge will not trade Avery Bradley for a draft pick who "might be good in three years" when he already has one of the best in the league at his position.

I just don't see equal value coming back from a player of his type. Easier to keep him.

[knuckleballer]

Prefer:

Watch coach Mike's highlight films of Bradley's defense on youtube. Then, see how he is ranked as the 6th or 7th in the league at his position. Remark whom he is assigned to cover on defense.

Now go wider in your perspective and look at Bradley and Marcus Smart, their commitment to defense, their style of play and work ethic. Imagine now, Terry Rozier getting beat up and barked at by not one, but two of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA day and day out for two years.

If you talk to the players who play against him? None of them want to play against Bradley tonight.

I suggest that Ainge will not trade Avery Bradley for a draft pick who "might be good in three years" when he already has one of the best in the league at his position.

I just don't see equal value coming back from a player of his type. Easier to keep him.

I like Bradley too, but if we draft Fultz (which we would be crazy not to), keep Smart and IT,  there just are not enough minutes at the guard position for everyone.  Someone has to go.  IT is the best player on the team and we aren't getting a top free agent without him.  It comes down to Smart or Bradley.  Bradley is the better player, but he's older, will get more money than Smart in 2018, and will likely fetch more in a trade.  Smart is more versatile, younger, and a great glue guy.  I strongly believe Avery is the odd guy out.  Someone has to be.

[aporel#18]

Draft Fultz. Package/sell 2nd rounders for future picks.

Plan A: Get Nerlens Noel to sign a max qualifying offer. Dallas will match, probably.

Plan B: Trade Crowder for Carmelo Anthony and future picks, Zen Master should be happy with cap relief AND Crowder.

Stash Yabusele for another year.
Resign Olynyk to a home discount.

Extend IT for 5 years/125M and let him heal.

First half of the 2017/2018 season lineup

Plan A:
Fultz/Rozier/Jackson/(IT)
Bradley/Smart/
Crowder/Brown/Nader
Horford/Olynyk/FA
Noel/Zizic/Mickey

Plan B:
Fultz/Rozier/Jackson/(IT)
Bradley/Smart/
Brown/Nader
Melo/Olynyk/FA
Horford/Zizic/Mickey

Then, at the deadline, you decide which of the zillion guards has to go.

[jay]

Draft Fultz, Sign Hayward.

Trade Bradley, Crowder, Rozier, Nets 2018 for Butler  (We have to consolidate talent, Butler is on a great contract, and whatever big we hope to get - Bamba or Ayton - could be years away from helping anyway)

Sign Luc Mbah a Moute to the room exception, somewhere around $3-4 million. Great defender to plug in on a contending team and shot a career high 39% from deep.

Keep Green, Mickey, and Jackson for cheap contracts to fill out bench.


IT   Fultz   Jackson
Hayward   Smart
Butler   Brown  Green
Mbah a Moute
Horford  Zizic  Mickey


With that much talent 1-3, we would not need Crowder or Bradley. Also, we could expect to see a lot of 4 guard lineups with Hayward, Brown, Butler rotating in at both SF and PF.  Would need an athletic rebounder to back up at PF.  Not sure if a decent defender like Felicio or Withey could be added for cheap frontcourt help. Maybe Yabusele can help.

[mctyson]

2017-18 Roster:
Thomas/Fultz/Jackson
Smart/Rozier/Green
Crowder/Brown/Nader
Gallinari/Markkanen/Yabusele
Horford/Zizic/Sullinger

That team is not much, if at all, better than last year's team.  The bench is substantially worse.

Also, Bradley is not netting the Cs a top-10 pick.  If we are concerned about his pending free agency, so is every other team in the league.

[mctyson]

Reading the threads here I am not sure everyone, including the OP, understands the word "practical."

adjective: disposed to action as opposed to speculation or abstraction

Anything involving a trade is not "practical" by definition as you are speculating what two entities would both want and agree to in a trade that has no source or basis for supposition.

One could even say that signing Hayward isn't practical because there would need to be confirmation he wants to come here and that Boston can make the necessary moves to fit him with a maximum deal.  I will allow this as part of a practical offseason as Brad Stevens is the coach and the moves required to open up max space are not extraordinary.

A more practical offseason of course is Boston drafting Fultz, stashing the second rounders, releasing all unrestricted free agents, offering KO the qualifier, keeping everyone else as is, and using whatever cap space they have left following KO re-signing (or leaving) to overpay for a couple veteran rebounding/defensive-oriented bigs on 1-year guaranteed deals.

[Jvalin]

- Trade IT to the Wolves for the 7th pick
  (alternatively trade IT to the Sixers for Saric)

- Use the pick to draft Isaac (hopefully he is still on the board)

- Renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Zeller - Green - Young

- Decline team option on Mickey

- Trade Jackson for a future pick/salary relief

- Sign Hayward (I believe it's a done deal)

- Use the room exception to sign a vet PF (let's say Patrick Patterson)


Fultz - Smart - Rozier
Bradley - Brown
Hayward - Crowder
Patterson - Isaac
Horford - Zizic

I dont think Bostons would have chance at Hayward if we trade IT for a pick or a rookie.

I believe Hayward is a done deal. He has more than enough reasons to come here, no matter what happens with IT.

1) Easier playoff path
2) Bigger market -> more money for him from endorsements / commercial opportunities ( all things considered, it's highly likely he makes more money here than in Utah)
3) The Butler connection

[Phantom255x]

- Trade IT to the Wolves for the 7th pick
  (alternatively trade IT to the Sixers for Saric)

- Use the pick to draft Isaac (hopefully he is still on the board)

- Renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Zeller - Green - Young

- Decline team option on Mickey

- Trade Jackson for a future pick/salary relief

- Sign Hayward (I believe it's a done deal)

- Use the room exception to sign a vet PF (let's say Patrick Patterson)


Fultz - Smart - Rozier
Bradley - Brown
Hayward - Crowder
Patterson - Isaac
Horford - Zizic

I dont think Bostons would have chance at Hayward if we trade IT for a pick or a rookie.

I believe Hayward is a done deal. He has more than enough reasons to come here, no matter what happens with IT.

1) Easier path to the Finals
2) Bigger market -> more money for him from endorsements / commercial opportunities ( all things considered, it's highly likely he makes more money here than in Utah)
3) The Butler connection

LOL REALLY? Without Isaiah, this team is a fringe playoff team AT BEST.

Hayward wouldn't even take a meeting with the C's if IT is traded and he'll stay in Utah. Is his chances of winning there good? Maybe not. But with a Boston team without Isaiah? A BIG no.

[indeedproceed]

My practical offseason:

1) Pick Fultz, keep Fultz

2) Trade Marcus Heart to someone for future picks and cap relief

3) Renounce all free agents

4) Sign Hayward

5) Investigate trade for Butler that does not involve "core" youths but does involve 2018 BKN pick, don't be too thirsty

6) Bring Zizic over, and find some way to not have Yabusele on the books next year.

[Jvalin]

- Trade IT to the Wolves for the 7th pick
  (alternatively trade IT to the Sixers for Saric)

- Use the pick to draft Isaac (hopefully he is still on the board)

- Renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Zeller - Green - Young

- Decline team option on Mickey

- Trade Jackson for a future pick/salary relief

- Sign Hayward (I believe it's a done deal)

- Use the room exception to sign a vet PF (let's say Patrick Patterson)


Fultz - Smart - Rozier
Bradley - Brown
Hayward - Crowder
Patterson - Isaac
Horford - Zizic

I dont think Bostons would have chance at Hayward if we trade IT for a pick or a rookie.

I believe Hayward is a done deal. He has more than enough reasons to come here, no matter what happens with IT.

1) Easier path to the Finals
2) Bigger market -> more money for him from endorsements / commercial opportunities ( all things considered, it's highly likely he makes more money here than in Utah)
3) The Butler connection

LOL REALLY? Without Isaiah, this team is a fringe playoff team AT BEST.

Hayward wouldn't even take a meeting with the C's if IT is traded and he'll stay in Utah. Is his chances of winning there good? Maybe not. But with a Boston team without Isaiah? A BIG no.

A fringe playoff team AT BEST??

Lol

The way I see it, this team would be the second best team in the East next year. We would have no depth at the Center/PF positions but that's pretty much a given if we sign Hayward.

[jay]

My practical offseason:

1) Pick Fultz, keep Fultz

2) Trade Marcus Heart to someone for future picks and cap relief

3) Renounce all free agents

4) Sign Hayward

5) Investigate trade for Butler that does not involve "core" youths but does involve 2018 BKN pick, don't be too thirsty

6) Bring Zizic over, and find some way to not have Yabusele on the books next year.

That sounds like mine. I like it!

[Ilikesports17]

- Trade IT to the Wolves for the 7th pick
  (alternatively trade IT to the Sixers for Saric)

- Use the pick to draft Isaac (hopefully he is still on the board)

- Renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Zeller - Green - Young

- Decline team option on Mickey

- Trade Jackson for a future pick/salary relief

- Sign Hayward (I believe it's a done deal)

- Use the room exception to sign a vet PF (let's say Patrick Patterson)


Fultz - Smart - Rozier
Bradley - Brown
Hayward - Crowder
Patterson - Isaac
Horford - Zizic

I dont think Bostons would have chance at Hayward if we trade IT for a pick or a rookie.

I believe Hayward is a done deal. He has more than enough reasons to come here, no matter what happens with IT.

1) Easier path to the Finals
2) Bigger market -> more money for him from endorsements / commercial opportunities ( all things considered, it's highly likely he makes more money here than in Utah)
3) The Butler connection

LOL REALLY? Without Isaiah, this team is a fringe playoff team AT BEST.

Hayward wouldn't even take a meeting with the C's if IT is traded and he'll stay in Utah. Is his chances of winning there good? Maybe not. But with a Boston team without Isaiah? A BIG no.

A fringe playoff team AT BEST??

Lol

The way I see it, this team would be the second best team in the East next year. We would have no depth at the Center/PF positions but that's pretty much a given if we sign Hayward.

The 2016-2017 Celtics minus IT is a fring playoff team. I dont believe Hayward is interested in leaving Utah to go to a fringe playoff team. I just dont believe that. Although, he is rumored to be interested in Miami, so perhaps Im incorrect there.

The key thing to remember is that not only would we probably be a ~40 win team, but wed be a 40 win team that had just publicly announced that we didnt think we could compete in the near future. Because you dont trade your all-nba point gaurd if you think you can compete. Gordon hayward isnt coming to a 40 win team that just made that public announcement. Even if they employ his former coach.