What's with the Rozier love?

[footey]

I see him developing into a strong back up guard. His biggest issue is his over dribbling. Ball movement sometimes suffers.

[Atzar]

I like Rozier quite a bit as a cost-controlled backup guard for a couple of years.  I have no illusions that he's likely to be more than that.  Not everybody needs to be a star.  But decent, affordable backups are very useful pieces, especially if we make that FA move that everybody is hoping for. 

[Moranis]

Yeah, people are willing to trade Smart over Rozier because he can score better, but thats about it.

Smart brings much more on the defensive end, which is great coming off the bench, and his ball handling and passing has become really good.

There are plenty of reasons to trade Smart over Rozier that have nothing to do with believing Rozier is better than Smart.  Here are just a few: Smart is better and thus has more trade value; Smart makes more and thus can get to a minimum salary faster; Smart expires sooner and thus is do for a big raise sooner (and thus you might rather trade him than lose him for nothing if you aren't going to pay him); Rozier might be a better fit than Smart is with Fultz (I don't believe that, but it isn't unreasonable to think that way); Smart hasn't gotten better offensively and thus you might believe he is set while Rozier has shown signs of improvement and thus could still get a lot better. 

I'm sure there are others, but I think you get the idea.

That said, I've been down on Rozier for awhile and for much of the year I felt he had almost negative value.  At the end of the year, he played quite well at times though, which gave me a lot more hope going forward, but honestly I don't think he plays hardly at all next year without some major moves because I fully expect Fultz to take all of his minutes.

So you were down on him, but really high on TJ McConnell. Good to know.


Fun fact:
Avery Bradley is only 1 year older than McConnell. Yeah, 1.

I was never high on McConnell, but keep on flaming away. 

[dreamgreen]

I don't get it, either. He may become a decent backup PG, but he's not a building block.

Agreed. Not sure his PG skills will ever improve so that will hinder him with his height. But if you have a Fultz that can play PG the two could potentially play together. None the less Rozier is a 15 minute a game guy.

[bdm860]

I think it has to do with him not getting minutes and then some unexpected production in the playoffs.

Starting last season, he played 39 games averaging only 8mpg.  I don't think anybody was expecting him to get any meaningful minutes in the playoffs.  Then Bradley goes down, and he's suddenly getting 20mpg, and he didn't look bad, especially that first game when he chipped in an unexpected 10/4.  Now he never was as productive in the rest of those playoffs, but his per-36 production of 9/6/2/1 with 36% from 3 was very encouraging for a rookie who couldn't crack the regular season rotation and wasn't expected to contribute.  Man if he can build on that...

Similar thing this year.  I thought he was decent as a backup guard. 12/7/4/1 per 36 not too shabby.  Improved his shooting %, brought down his turnovers.  If you're an optimistic homer (like myself), there's enough there to feed your enthusiasm.  If he just got minutes...

Then again, in the playoffs, he had those good moments where he really contributed. 12/6/4/1 and +25 in an OT win against WAS, 16/7 and +15 while looking like the only player with heart in that Game 4 blowout against WAS. 8 rebounds +13 in another playoff win.  Other games with big +/-.  Good things seemed to happen when he was on the floor.  He was a spark plug and his production improved from last year's playoffs.

Plus when players do things you don't expect from their position, in Rozier's case it's rebounding, it can seem like a major asset even if the rest of the game is lacking.

So I can see how people can be excited for him, especially with how excited some of us get over the C's young players.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't expect huge things from Rozier, not expecting for him to develop into an All-Star, but part of me thinks he could be a valuable role player and would probably look a lot better on a bad team where he can consistently get big minutes and shots.  Like if he was getting 30+mpg on LAL or PHI he'd look more like Jordan Clarkson than what we currently see.

[incoherent]

Terry was much better in the playoffs then in the regular season.  He left a good impression in people's mind. 

Terry passes the eye test, and he's young enough that you can discount some of his poor efficiency during the regular season.

[Eddie20]

Yeah, people are willing to trade Smart over Rozier because he can score better, but thats about it.

Smart brings much more on the defensive end, which is great coming off the bench, and his ball handling and passing has become really good.

There are plenty of reasons to trade Smart over Rozier that have nothing to do with believing Rozier is better than Smart.  Here are just a few: Smart is better and thus has more trade value; Smart makes more and thus can get to a minimum salary faster; Smart expires sooner and thus is do for a big raise sooner (and thus you might rather trade him than lose him for nothing if you aren't going to pay him); Rozier might be a better fit than Smart is with Fultz (I don't believe that, but it isn't unreasonable to think that way); Smart hasn't gotten better offensively and thus you might believe he is set while Rozier has shown signs of improvement and thus could still get a lot better. 

I'm sure there are others, but I think you get the idea.

That said, I've been down on Rozier for awhile and for much of the year I felt he had almost negative value.  At the end of the year, he played quite well at times though, which gave me a lot more hope going forward, but honestly I don't think he plays hardly at all next year without some major moves because I fully expect Fultz to take all of his minutes.

So you were down on him, but really high on TJ McConnell. Good to know.


Fun fact:
Avery Bradley is only 1 year older than McConnell. Yeah, 1.

I was never high on McConnell, but keep on flaming away.

I won't bother looking up your old posts in order to discredit you, but anyone that is familiar with your constant Sixers propaganda/Celtics skepticism knows the truth.

[Moranis]

Yeah, people are willing to trade Smart over Rozier because he can score better, but thats about it.

Smart brings much more on the defensive end, which is great coming off the bench, and his ball handling and passing has become really good.

There are plenty of reasons to trade Smart over Rozier that have nothing to do with believing Rozier is better than Smart.  Here are just a few: Smart is better and thus has more trade value; Smart makes more and thus can get to a minimum salary faster; Smart expires sooner and thus is do for a big raise sooner (and thus you might rather trade him than lose him for nothing if you aren't going to pay him); Rozier might be a better fit than Smart is with Fultz (I don't believe that, but it isn't unreasonable to think that way); Smart hasn't gotten better offensively and thus you might believe he is set while Rozier has shown signs of improvement and thus could still get a lot better. 

I'm sure there are others, but I think you get the idea.

That said, I've been down on Rozier for awhile and for much of the year I felt he had almost negative value.  At the end of the year, he played quite well at times though, which gave me a lot more hope going forward, but honestly I don't think he plays hardly at all next year without some major moves because I fully expect Fultz to take all of his minutes.

So you were down on him, but really high on TJ McConnell. Good to know.


Fun fact:
Avery Bradley is only 1 year older than McConnell. Yeah, 1.

I was never high on McConnell, but keep on flaming away.

I won't bother looking up your old posts in order to discredit you, but anyone that is familiar with your constant Sixers propaganda/Celtics skepticism knows the truth.

go right ahead.  I've said that McConnell is a bad shooter, that the Sixers clearly need to upgrade the PG, and similar things.  I've also said that McConnell being a 2nd round pick and playing in the league makes that a good selection because 2nd round picks don't often play in the league.  That doesn't however mean I've ever been high on McConnell.  He is at best a back-up PG that was forced to start because his team had no one better. 

[trickybilly]

This conversation makes me think of all the generals sitting around discussing the Normandy landing, and someone pipes in with "what about Greenland"