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I keep AB and look for a trade that moves IT
There simply aren’t any realistic IT trades out there so get that out of your head.
IT for Saric
IT for #7 (Wolves)
IT for #9 (Mavs)
IT for #12 (Pistons)
None of them Danny will do, he's worth the 5th pick or so in this draft for us (btw I think the kings may actually trade the 5th pick for IT lol ::))

Those are all rebuilding trades.   

This Celtics team is in no position to start a rebuild.   

Get use to IT in green.
Of course they are all rebuilding trades.

If we can't move the needle past Cleveland (never mind Golden State) we might as well take a step back. Not to mention that IT is gonna ask for the max next year. All it takes is one desperate GM to offer him crazy money and we may lose him for nothing.

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I'd hate to have to see Bradley D up IT/Fultz/Smart/Rozier several times a year.

I'm not sure the 76ers are a good trade partner. If the C's do end trading Bradley, I would think it would be to help shore up one of their weaknesses like rebounding. I don't think Saric/Holmes/Okafor really move the needle there and I don't see any other players on their roster that would make sense. They are not trading Simmons or Embiid. 

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really? this is surprising to read about okafur since everything i have read indicates he is the epitome of what CBS does not want.

okafur's defense is really bad. he simply stops playing defense when he chooses. he puts very little effort into it. he is notoriously bad at defense. here is a tiny sample, only a 12 second sample, of him at perhaps his worst (he is #8):
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/1/14785660/jahlil-okafor-worst-defense-youve-ever-seen-sixers

but even beyond this video clip, he is known as a poor defender.

next, he would undo CBS' space and pace offense. okafur is great near the basket. but, okafur has real trouble making shots beyond a few away from the basket. yes, he can score. but he clogs up the middle and allows the other team's center to stay under the basket, which gets in IT's way. okafur is also not a very good passer from what i read.

here is his shot chart for last season:
http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=1626143

and it is not just me who has serious questions about okafur turning out to be a good nba player. philly tried to trade him earlier, and even stapled a few assets to him to make him more attractive. no takers. he does not have a lot of value since his flaws at least match, if not outweigh, his obvious strengths.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14716926/jahlil-okafor-trade-76ers-philadelphia-rumors-nba-stays-colangelo

i think the celtics can, and should, get a player who fits their system better.
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really? this is surprising to read about okafur since everything i have read indicates he is the epitome of what CBS does not want.

okafur's defense is really bad. he simply stops playing defense when he chooses. he puts very little effort into it. he is notoriously bad at defense. here is a tiny sample, only a 12 second sample, of him at perhaps his worst (he is #8):
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/1/14785660/jahlil-okafor-worst-defense-youve-ever-seen-sixers

but even beyond this video clip, he is known as a poor defender.

next, he would undo CBS' space and pace offense. okafur is great near the basket. but, okafur has real trouble making shots beyond a few away from the basket. yes, he can score. but he clogs up the middle and allows the other team's center to stay under the basket, which gets in IT's way. okafur is also not a very good passer from what i read.

here is his shot chart for last season:
http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=1626143

and it is not just me who has serious questions about okafur turning out to be a good nba player. philly tried to trade him earlier, and even stapled a few assets to him to make him more attractive. no takers. he does not have a lot of value since his flaws at least match, if not outweigh, his obvious strengths.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14716926/jahlil-okafor-trade-76ers-philadelphia-rumors-nba-stays-colangelo

i think the celtics can, and should, get a player who fits their system better.

Okafor was one of the best prospects coming out of highschool and college. Then he went to a Sixers team who wasn't in the business of winning. It's hard to play for some one who doesn't want to win. For all we know they were told not to play D. Yeah crazy, but these things happen.

The kid has good foot work. There is no reason he can't use that foot work on the defensive end with coach's who actually will work with him and hold him accountable. Changes in environments can do wonders for people.

Now that being said, I wouldn't give up Smart in the deal, and I'd still want the 2019 pick. 

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really? this is surprising to read about okafur since everything i have read indicates he is the epitome of what CBS does not want.

okafur's defense is really bad. he simply stops playing defense when he chooses. he puts very little effort into it. he is notoriously bad at defense. here is a tiny sample, only a 12 second sample, of him at perhaps his worst (he is #8):
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/1/14785660/jahlil-okafor-worst-defense-youve-ever-seen-sixers

but even beyond this video clip, he is known as a poor defender.

next, he would undo CBS' space and pace offense. okafur is great near the basket. but, okafur has real trouble making shots beyond a few away from the basket. yes, he can score. but he clogs up the middle and allows the other team's center to stay under the basket, which gets in IT's way. okafur is also not a very good passer from what i read.

here is his shot chart for last season:
http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=1626143

and it is not just me who has serious questions about okafur turning out to be a good nba player. philly tried to trade him earlier, and even stapled a few assets to him to make him more attractive. no takers. he does not have a lot of value since his flaws at least match, if not outweigh, his obvious strengths.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14716926/jahlil-okafor-trade-76ers-philadelphia-rumors-nba-stays-colangelo

i think the celtics can, and should, get a player who fits their system better.

Okafor was one of the best prospects coming out of highschool and college. Then he went to a Sixers team who wasn't in the business of winning. It's hard to play for some one who doesn't want to win. For all we know they were told not to play D. Yeah crazy, but these things happen.

The kid has good foot work. There is no reason he can't use that foot work on the defensive end with coach's who actually will work with him and hold him accountable. Changes in environments can do wonders for people.

Now that being said, I wouldn't give up Smart in the deal, and I'd still want the 2019 pick.
Watching the finals, and NBA playoffs this year. I can't see Okafor being able to stay on the court against quality playoff teams.

You just don't see bigs who can't shoot the 3, protect the rim or defend on the perimeter succeeding in the playoffs in the current NBA.

That being said, if the price was cheap I'd take a flier on the talent.
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really? this is surprising to read about okafur since everything i have read indicates he is the epitome of what CBS does not want.

okafur's defense is really bad. he simply stops playing defense when he chooses. he puts very little effort into it. he is notoriously bad at defense. here is a tiny sample, only a 12 second sample, of him at perhaps his worst (he is #8):
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/1/14785660/jahlil-okafor-worst-defense-youve-ever-seen-sixers

but even beyond this video clip, he is known as a poor defender.

next, he would undo CBS' space and pace offense. okafur is great near the basket. but, okafur has real trouble making shots beyond a few away from the basket. yes, he can score. but he clogs up the middle and allows the other team's center to stay under the basket, which gets in IT's way. okafur is also not a very good passer from what i read.

here is his shot chart for last season:
http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=1626143

and it is not just me who has serious questions about okafur turning out to be a good nba player. philly tried to trade him earlier, and even stapled a few assets to him to make him more attractive. no takers. he does not have a lot of value since his flaws at least match, if not outweigh, his obvious strengths.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14716926/jahlil-okafor-trade-76ers-philadelphia-rumors-nba-stays-colangelo

i think the celtics can, and should, get a player who fits their system better.

Okafor was one of the best prospects coming out of highschool and college. Then he went to a Sixers team who wasn't in the business of winning. It's hard to play for some one who doesn't want to win. For all we know they were told not to play D. Yeah crazy, but these things happen.

The kid has good foot work. There is no reason he can't use that foot work on the defensive end with coach's who actually will work with him and hold him accountable. Changes in environments can do wonders for people.

Now that being said, I wouldn't give up Smart in the deal, and I'd still want the 2019 pick.
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Okafor has much more potential than most people want to say or realize. His shot is not broken and his form is fine. He has a 7'6.25'' wingspan and a 9'3'' standing reach and is still a work in progress on the defensive side. IMO his game would completely open up if he starts taking jumpers regularly from even 10' and in. Also he has great handles.

IMO Okafor is in the worst situation possible, given his body-type/specific skills/mentality.

This is a guy everyone was calling the next Duncan for over half of his frshman year at college. He posseses elite length and size and should be able to at least be a servicable defensive CENTER but he can be much better.
watch the 2nd part of his rookie year compilation. He has a legit jumper(though hesitates to use it bc he prob feels more confident taking it to the post) ...see for yourself
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN6oeZzCh0k

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really? this is surprising to read about okafur since everything i have read indicates he is the epitome of what CBS does not want.

okafur's defense is really bad. he simply stops playing defense when he chooses. he puts very little effort into it. he is notoriously bad at defense. here is a tiny sample, only a 12 second sample, of him at perhaps his worst (he is #8):
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/1/14785660/jahlil-okafor-worst-defense-youve-ever-seen-sixers

but even beyond this video clip, he is known as a poor defender.

next, he would undo CBS' space and pace offense. okafur is great near the basket. but, okafur has real trouble making shots beyond a few away from the basket. yes, he can score. but he clogs up the middle and allows the other team's center to stay under the basket, which gets in IT's way. okafur is also not a very good passer from what i read.

here is his shot chart for last season:
http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=1626143

and it is not just me who has serious questions about okafur turning out to be a good nba player. philly tried to trade him earlier, and even stapled a few assets to him to make him more attractive. no takers. he does not have a lot of value since his flaws at least match, if not outweigh, his obvious strengths.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14716926/jahlil-okafor-trade-76ers-philadelphia-rumors-nba-stays-colangelo

i think the celtics can, and should, get a player who fits their system better.

Okafor was one of the best prospects coming out of highschool and college. Then he went to a Sixers team who wasn't in the business of winning. It's hard to play for some one who doesn't want to win. For all we know they were told not to play D. Yeah crazy, but these things happen.

The kid has good foot work. There is no reason he can't use that foot work on the defensive end with coach's who actually will work with him and hold him accountable. Changes in environments can do wonders for people.

Now that being said, I wouldn't give up Smart in the deal, and I'd still want the 2019 pick.
interesting idea. do you have any source or backing for it? or is it conjecture? could you provide me with examples of philly telling their players to not play defense? i mean, other players on that team seem to play defense, noel being one case in point.

as for high school stars that don't pan out, it happens and okafur would not be the first, nor the last.

as for changes in environment, yes, sometimes it helps. yet, sometimes it does not. given that okafur also has had off court problems and he has consistently not played to expectations, i would ask for solid indications that he might make this jump.

thus far, nba GMs dont seem to agree with your points or they would have already picked him up for pennies on the dollar.
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really? this is surprising to read about okafur since everything i have read indicates he is the epitome of what CBS does not want.

okafur's defense is really bad. he simply stops playing defense when he chooses. he puts very little effort into it. he is notoriously bad at defense. here is a tiny sample, only a 12 second sample, of him at perhaps his worst (he is #8):
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/1/14785660/jahlil-okafor-worst-defense-youve-ever-seen-sixers

but even beyond this video clip, he is known as a poor defender.

next, he would undo CBS' space and pace offense. okafur is great near the basket. but, okafur has real trouble making shots beyond a few away from the basket. yes, he can score. but he clogs up the middle and allows the other team's center to stay under the basket, which gets in IT's way. okafur is also not a very good passer from what i read.

here is his shot chart for last season:
http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=1626143

and it is not just me who has serious questions about okafur turning out to be a good nba player. philly tried to trade him earlier, and even stapled a few assets to him to make him more attractive. no takers. he does not have a lot of value since his flaws at least match, if not outweigh, his obvious strengths.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14716926/jahlil-okafor-trade-76ers-philadelphia-rumors-nba-stays-colangelo

i think the celtics can, and should, get a player who fits their system better.

Okafor was one of the best prospects coming out of highschool and college. Then he went to a Sixers team who wasn't in the business of winning. It's hard to play for some one who doesn't want to win. For all we know they were told not to play D. Yeah crazy, but these things happen.

The kid has good foot work. There is no reason he can't use that foot work on the defensive end with coach's who actually will work with him and hold him accountable. Changes in environments can do wonders for people.

Now that being said, I wouldn't give up Smart in the deal, and I'd still want the 2019 pick.
interesting idea. do you have any source or backing for it? or is it conjecture? could you provide me with examples of philly telling their players to not play defense? i mean, other players on that team seem to play defense, noel being one case in point.

as for high school stars that don't pan out, it happens and okafur would not be the first, nor the last.

as for changes in environment, yes, sometimes it helps. yet, sometimes it does not. given that okafur also has had off court problems and he has consistently not played to expectations, i would ask for solid indications that he might make this jump.

thus far, nba GMs dont seem to agree with your points or they would have already picked him up for pennies on the dollar.

This Okafor stuff is pretty ridiculous guys. If you want to say you think he could be a different player with stevens coaching, or that you think he needs a surgery on his knee and could somehow improve, those are at least reasonable ideas. To say he got bad at defense because he was told to play defense is one of the most absurd things I have read on this former. During this time Nerlen's Noel played extremely elite defense. Robert Covington has also established himself as an elite defensive wing player. TJ Mcconnel may even be an above average defensive point guard. Brown is actually a good coach for the most part. The idea that these other players could be really good defensive players, but somehow Okafor was told to not play defense. I mean... what?  :o

Also, lets try to have a basic understanding of Okafor's value. They wanted to trade him so badly last year they had announced a trade was just about finalized. It turns out they could only get a first round pick for him if it was top 20 protected from the Pelicans (kind of  fake first rounder that they did ultimately get for Noel). He also has a serious problem with his knee and conditioning and it is unclear what needs to happen for him to be healthy. He has a surgery with a 6 week time frame for recovery that was bothering him more than a year later. If you want to take a flier on him know the cost is going to be something like Rozier before he had a good playoffs. A very low end prospect. It is not getting an established role player with an elite skill like Smart or a two way player like Bradley regardless of contract situations. That is just not in the ballpark. Fortunately there are only a few people left on the forum that don't realize this and we are seeing less of the Okafor madness. We've apparently moved on to Saric.

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If we gave up Smart AND Bradley for a pick and Jahlil freakin Okafor that would be one of the worst moves in recent memory.

Okafor is a pile of garbage. Emeka was far better.
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Re: Woj: 76ers interested in Avery Bradley. What would you need to do deal?
« Reply #100 on: June 09, 2017, 03:12:53 PM »

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really? this is surprising to read about okafur since everything i have read indicates he is the epitome of what CBS does not want.

okafur's defense is really bad. he simply stops playing defense when he chooses. he puts very little effort into it. he is notoriously bad at defense. here is a tiny sample, only a 12 second sample, of him at perhaps his worst (he is #8):
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/1/14785660/jahlil-okafor-worst-defense-youve-ever-seen-sixers

but even beyond this video clip, he is known as a poor defender.

next, he would undo CBS' space and pace offense. okafur is great near the basket. but, okafur has real trouble making shots beyond a few away from the basket. yes, he can score. but he clogs up the middle and allows the other team's center to stay under the basket, which gets in IT's way. okafur is also not a very good passer from what i read.

here is his shot chart for last season:
http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=1626143

and it is not just me who has serious questions about okafur turning out to be a good nba player. philly tried to trade him earlier, and even stapled a few assets to him to make him more attractive. no takers. he does not have a lot of value since his flaws at least match, if not outweigh, his obvious strengths.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14716926/jahlil-okafor-trade-76ers-philadelphia-rumors-nba-stays-colangelo

i think the celtics can, and should, get a player who fits their system better.

Okafor was one of the best prospects coming out of highschool and college. Then he went to a Sixers team who wasn't in the business of winning. It's hard to play for some one who doesn't want to win. For all we know they were told not to play D. Yeah crazy, but these things happen.

The kid has good foot work. There is no reason he can't use that foot work on the defensive end with coach's who actually will work with him and hold him accountable. Changes in environments can do wonders for people.

Now that being said, I wouldn't give up Smart in the deal, and I'd still want the 2019 pick.
interesting idea. do you have any source or backing for it? or is it conjecture? could you provide me with examples of philly telling their players to not play defense? i mean, other players on that team seem to play defense, noel being one case in point.

as for high school stars that don't pan out, it happens and okafur would not be the first, nor the last.

as for changes in environment, yes, sometimes it helps. yet, sometimes it does not. given that okafur also has had off court problems and he has consistently not played to expectations, i would ask for solid indications that he might make this jump.

thus far, nba GMs dont seem to agree with your points or they would have already picked him up for pennies on the dollar.
Okafor can exponentially improve his game by taking more jumpers 15 feet and in. Even if he adds a legit 10foot and in jumper his game would drastically improve and open up everything else for himself and the team. He has the shot and he has the form and motion...IMO it is part mental and partly due to his superior post play and in part to bad coaching.
I would be willing to bet that if Okafor came to the C's he would stop all the hesitating on jumpers...which is drastic. He has a mental hesitation when he should shoot the ball in which he hesitates and fakes and then dribbles into the paint in order to score. IMO this is not being addressed on his current team because he is far superior in the post and is rewarded everytime he scores in the paint.
I am not disagreeing that Okafor has a certain perception around the league or has played consistently....this is the entire point of wanting to trade for him and betting (based on his game and physique) that he can actually play better, especially in our system. I am saying that he is highly undervalued and widely perceived as a "finished product".

Myles Turner, Cliff Alexander, and Kelly Oubre were ranked in the top 3 during high school. Okafor was top 5 but it was not until college began that he was the consensus #1. During the midpoint of the college season Towns( the guy I was talking about for 2 years but due to perceived knee problems was not originally ranked although he won the Gatorade Player of Year in HS) began challenging Okafor and eventually surpassed him. Towns represents the new era of big men(along with Turner)....Okafor's case is helped bc he has a longer wingspan than both Towns and Turner which means he does not just possess sheer size and length is always helpful defensively as long as you can use it.

The guy is a ballplayer and if you watch enough video on him you can understand that he does possess a strong enough ability to improve his shot attempts from 10 feet and even 15 feet and in.




Re: Woj: 76ers interested in Avery Bradley. What would you need to do deal?
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If we gave up Smart AND Bradley for a pick and Jahlil freakin Okafor that would be one of the worst moves in recent memory.

Okafor is a pile of garbage. Emeka was far better.
The pick is a 2019 SAC unprotected 1st. It's not just some stupid throw in. It is arguably just as valuable as the BKN 2018 pick we have.

Also, do you believe we will sign both AB and Smart next season. With Jaylen ( SG that can play SF due to length and ability) and Fultz (PG that can play SG due to length and ability)why would we sign IT and then keep either AB or Smart? Smart will likely be 15m and possibly be a backups backup.

Re: Woj: 76ers interested in Avery Bradley. What would you need to do deal?
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If we gave up Smart AND Bradley for a pick and Jahlil freakin Okafor that would be one of the worst moves in recent memory.

Okafor is a pile of garbage. Emeka was far better.
The pick is a 2019 SAC unprotected 1st. It's not just some stupid throw in. It is arguably just as valuable as the BKN 2018 pick we have.

Also, do you believe we will sign both AB and Smart next season. With Jaylen ( SG that can play SF due to length and ability) and Fultz (PG that can play SG due to length and ability)why would we sign IT and then keep either AB or Smart? Smart will likely be 15m and possibly be a backups backup.
Doubtful, considering they will likely be adding two of Fox, Tatum, Jackson, Smith Jr., or Markannen to their young core. They'll be poor, but they're still likely to be better than both Phoenix and Brooklyn at least. As well as that, I realise that the pick is the core of the deal. Getting Okafor at all is where my opposition comes into it. I want nothing to do with a guy like that, he's a negative in most regards and doesn't help us in any of our weak spots.

My opposition to the deal wasn't due to some hope that we sign both AB and Smart to big deals either, but rather that if/when we move one, or both of them, it's not for a deal like this that doesn't improve us in the short term at all.
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Re: Woj: 76ers interested in Avery Bradley. What would you need to do deal?
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If we gave up Smart AND Bradley for a pick and Jahlil freakin Okafor that would be one of the worst moves in recent memory.

Okafor is a pile of garbage. Emeka was far better.
The pick is a 2019 SAC unprotected 1st. It's not just some stupid throw in. It is arguably just as valuable as the BKN 2018 pick we have.

Also, do you believe we will sign both AB and Smart next season. With Jaylen ( SG that can play SF due to length and ability) and Fultz (PG that can play SG due to length and ability)why would we sign IT and then keep either AB or Smart? Smart will likely be 15m and possibly be a backups backup.
Doubtful, considering they will likely be adding two of Fox, Tatum, Jackson, Smith Jr., or Markannen to their young core. They'll be poor, but they're still likely to be better than both Phoenix and Brooklyn at least. As well as that, I realise that the pick is the core of the deal. Getting Okafor at all is where my opposition comes into it. I want nothing to do with a guy like that, he's a negative in most regards and doesn't help us in any of our weak spots.

My opposition to the deal wasn't due to some hope that we sign both AB and Smart to big deals either, but rather that if/when we move one, or both of them, it's not for a deal like this that doesn't improve us in the short term at all.
I completely disagree about Okafor not adding value to this team and actually hurting us. But he does have a reputation for bad defense and has acted out a few times...nothing crazy. Which has hurt his value and IMO we can get him without giving up much.

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If we gave up Smart AND Bradley for a pick and Jahlil freakin Okafor that would be one of the worst moves in recent memory.

Okafor is a pile of garbage. Emeka was far better.
The pick is a 2019 SAC unprotected 1st. It's not just some stupid throw in. It is arguably just as valuable as the BKN 2018 pick we have.

Also, do you believe we will sign both AB and Smart next season. With Jaylen ( SG that can play SF due to length and ability) and Fultz (PG that can play SG due to length and ability)why would we sign IT and then keep either AB or Smart? Smart will likely be 15m and possibly be a backups backup.
Doubtful, considering they will likely be adding two of Fox, Tatum, Jackson, Smith Jr., or Markannen to their young core. They'll be poor, but they're still likely to be better than both Phoenix and Brooklyn at least. As well as that, I realise that the pick is the core of the deal. Getting Okafor at all is where my opposition comes into it. I want nothing to do with a guy like that, he's a negative in most regards and doesn't help us in any of our weak spots.

My opposition to the deal wasn't due to some hope that we sign both AB and Smart to big deals either, but rather that if/when we move one, or both of them, it's not for a deal like this that doesn't improve us in the short term at all.
I completely disagree about Okafor not adding value to this team and actually hurting us. But he does have a reputation for bad defense and has acted out a few times...nothing crazy. Which has hurt his value and IMO we can get him without giving up much.
Theres no way to truly know that. And I still think they will suck worse than BKN and PHW in 2019. No decent FA's are going to the absolute worst organization in the entire NBA next summer. PHX still will have Knight and Bledsoe under contract for that season as well....which is already far better than SAC

SAC could be devastatingly bad.