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Addition by Subtraction...
« on: June 04, 2017, 12:48:34 PM »

Offline Fireworks_Boom!

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Subtractions
Kelly Olynyk
Amir Johnson
Jonas Jerebko
Gerald Green
Demetrius Jackson

Additions
Gordon Hayward (Free Agency)
Markelle Fultz (#1)
Ante Zizic (Overseas)
Guerschon Yabusele (Overseas)
Abdel Nader (D League)
OG Anunboy (#37)

OG Anunboy will go earlier given his recent rise in discussion. He is a player I would love to grab, however.

Roster (Salary)
Thomas (6.3) / Fultz (4.9)
Bradley (8.8) / Smart (4.5) / Rozier (3)
Hayward (31) / Brown (5) / Nader (1)
Crowder (6.8) / Yabusele (1) / Anunboy (1)
Horford (27.75) / Nizic (1)

$102m (on the nose)

Things to consider...

If Anunboy is someone you're interested in getting, you'll likely need to take him higher than pick 37.
There will be salary holds for Pick 53 & 56.
What does this mean? Someone is going to go.

Prediction: Avery Bradley draft night trade to Detroit Pistons for Pick 12. Celtics take Harry Giles at Pick 12. Benefits of this?

1. It eliminates Brown being buried behind Hayward.
2. By trading Bradley's 8.8m salary and adding 1.9m in pick 12. we would have near the 8.4m MLE.
3. This MLE could be applied to a 1 year rental (Alex Len, Taj Gibson, etc.)

Re: Addition by Subtraction...
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2017, 01:01:48 PM »

Offline hodgy03038

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TP for your work. I am not into the salary cap numbers so does your calculations keep them below the luxury cap?

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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2017, 01:19:42 PM »

Offline Sketch5

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I thought Fultz would get closer to 7mil. Brown makes 4.7. So you may be over.

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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2017, 01:24:10 PM »

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Some of those numbers you have for salaries are wrong.  The cap hold for Fultz will be just over $7 million, for Yabusele will be ~$2.25 million, and for Zizic will be $1.65 million.

Edit: your section about trading Bradley is also way off.  While trading Bradley straight up for the pick would give us a TPE (and one worth his full salary, since in trades picks have a $0 salary), that is very different than the MLE.  You cannot sign a player (like Gibson) with a TPE.  And even if you could, that TPE would need to be renounced anyway in order to clear the cap space to sign Hayward.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2017, 01:31:00 PM by BitterJim »
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2017, 01:24:18 PM »

Offline NHCelticsFan

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Fultz would have a salary around 7 million as the number one pick.

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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2017, 01:36:08 PM »

Offline tazzmaniac

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Other discrepancies.  The salary cap was down to 101M at last report.  There are no cap holds for 2nd round picks. 

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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2017, 01:44:16 PM »

Offline notthebowler

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Roster-builder.com is a great resource for this kind of exercise. It really shows how difficult it is to sign Hayward and trade for a post player as well. It also provides accurate salaries for our draft picks.

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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2017, 01:55:26 PM »

Offline mqtcelticsfan

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Setting aside the cap math flaws, you'd probably have to trade into the lottery for Anunboy.

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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2017, 01:56:45 PM »

Offline Future Celtics Owner

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Yes. Build around Brown, Fultz, 2 top picks in 2018 and whatever stud we get from trading our starting lineup +Smart....addition by subtraction.....this formula will get us more banners IMO.

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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2017, 02:15:12 PM »

Offline Jiri Welsch

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Jerebko and Johnson seem like definite goners. However, the interesting move will be Olynyk...

Besides Horford, Danny hasn't overpayed on anyone in recent memory. Not Bradley, not Crowder, not Turner, the list goes on. Will KO really be the one that he decides to pay double digit millions to? We are all grateful for the show KO put on in Game 7 vs. the Wiz, but I can't see Olynyk staying unless it's a bargain price.

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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2017, 02:33:55 PM »

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Jerebko and Johnson seem like definite goners. However, the interesting move will be Olynyk...

Besides Horford, Danny hasn't overpayed on anyone in recent memory. Not Bradley, not Crowder, not Turner, the list goes on. Will KO really be the one that he decides to pay double digit millions to? We are all grateful for the show KO put on in Game 7 vs. the Wiz, but I can't see Olynyk staying unless it's a bargain price.

If KO gets payed like 15M/Year here and is the 2nd (or 3rd) most expensive player on this team, I'm gonna be real disappointed.

He had a phenomenal Game 7 performance, no doubt, but was pretty much NOWHERE to be found in most of the other games.

People argue that Bradley and Crowder are wildly inconsistent, but to me,KO is a lot more inconsistent, and gets beat by a bunch of other bigs (even third stringers) often.
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2017, 03:08:52 PM »

Offline nickagneta

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If you use salary space to sign a free agent and then go over the cap with other moves, you can't have the MLE, only the room exception is left you to sign a player. I think the room exception will be about $4 million.

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2017, 03:16:03 PM »

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Even though he just turned 30, I question how much worse JJ is for our roster moving forward than KO. You may be able to use the room exception to sign him; if not, his salary will be much less than KO's ($5M compared to $15M) and that $10M difference doesn't even tell close to the whole story when we venture into the luxury tax for the 18-19 year.

He knows the system, can hit the outside shot, set solid picks, and is a big enough body at 6'10" - I much prefer him to Zeller. You would need to clear out AB to sign Hayward, just as you would if you kept KO, but it offers other options like keeping Rozier and possibly bringing over Yab, if the price was right on JJ.

I really like KO and would be psyched to keep him at a steep discount, but he is likely going to be making Kevin Love type money and he isn't Kevin Love.

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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2017, 03:19:08 PM »

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Nice work. However, some concerns:
1) You haven't helped the front court very much, in fact it might be worse with JJ, Amir and KO gone and with ALL rookie replacements
2) I simply can't see Crowder and Hayard co-existing
3) I might trade Bradley but is has to be for frontcourt help
4) Giles seems risky

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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2017, 03:19:37 PM »

Offline mctyson

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Even though he just turned 30, I question how much worse JJ is for our roster moving forward than KO.

I really like KO and would be psyched to keep him at a steep discount, but he is likely going to be making Kevin Love type money and he isn't Kevin Love.

JJ is not worse if you are looking for a 7th-9th bench big.

KO has to be a starter or 6th man at worse if the Cs are going to resign him at $15M.  So ask yourself if you feel better about the team with KO starting at C, with little if no space to sign any bigs that can rebound or defend?