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Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2017, 09:42:28 AM »

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I think Fultz is a hybrid of John Wall and Bradley beal.

Agree.

Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2017, 09:42:57 AM »

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I think Fultz is a hybrid of John Wall and Bradley beal.
That's.. not good

Seriously?

Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2017, 09:47:03 AM »

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I think Fultz is a hybrid of John Wall and Bradley beal.
That's.. not good
Wait what? How is that not good???
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Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2017, 10:23:07 AM »

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Russell does not have the penetration skills Faultz possess even comparing their current stages. Their haircuts are more similar than their playing styles

Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2017, 10:25:07 AM »

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I still think a bigger IT is a pretty good comparison.  Fultz looks like an excellent offensive player, and a skilled finisher at the rim.

Ultimately he is going to be his own player but I think he has a lot of the same strengths as IT, but with his own spin on his skills.

Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2017, 10:30:21 AM »

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They are similar prospects Fultz is a better athlete and plays bigger on defense.

I believe the talk is Russell is his floor and Harden is something like his ceiling.

Whatever the case is Fultz has been the concensus number one in a what's considered a really deep draft.

Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2017, 10:50:41 AM »

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I think Fultz is the next James Harden.

That being said, I don't particularly like Harden. He is obviously a very talented player (legitimate MVP candidate this year) but imo he is not a winner. He is an entertainer.

Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2017, 10:58:24 AM »

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I think Fultz is the next James Harden.

That being said, I don't like Harden. He is obviously a very talented player (legitimate MVP candidate this year) but imo he is not a winner. He is an entertainer.
Not really sure how this makes sense. Every team James Harden has led has been a winning team except for the season where they fired Kevin McHale. Just because he doesn't win titles out West (as in Western Conference Champs as well as NBA Champs) competing against teams such as the Warriors and the Spurs hardly makes him not a winner - he simply has never really had a strong supporting cast.
The best players he's played alongside have been in decline Dwight Howard and maybe Trevor Ariza / Chandler Parsons.

If Harden and Curry swapped places, Harden would be a winner because he would almost certainly have a ring by now, or at least have won the West.
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Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2017, 11:21:59 AM »

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I think Fultz is the next James Harden.

That being said, I don't like Harden. He is obviously a very talented player (legitimate MVP candidate this year) but imo he is not a winner. He is an entertainer.
Not really sure how this makes sense. Every team James Harden has led has been a winning team except for the season where they fired Kevin McHale. Just because he doesn't win titles out West (as in Western Conference Champs as well as NBA Champs) competing against teams such as the Warriors and the Spurs hardly makes him not a winner - he simply has never really had a strong supporting cast.
The best players he's played alongside have been in decline Dwight Howard and maybe Trevor Ariza / Chandler Parsons.

If Harden and Curry swapped places, Harden would be a winner because he would almost certainly have a ring by now, or at least have won the West.
- plays no D whatsoever
- terrible shot selection
- at his best when playing at fast pace -> great player for the regular season, not so much for the playoffs

Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2017, 11:25:10 AM »

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I think Fultz is the next James Harden.

That being said, I don't like Harden. He is obviously a very talented player (legitimate MVP candidate this year) but imo he is not a winner. He is an entertainer.
Not really sure how this makes sense. Every team James Harden has led has been a winning team except for the season where they fired Kevin McHale. Just because he doesn't win titles out West (as in Western Conference Champs as well as NBA Champs) competing against teams such as the Warriors and the Spurs hardly makes him not a winner - he simply has never really had a strong supporting cast.
The best players he's played alongside have been in decline Dwight Howard and maybe Trevor Ariza / Chandler Parsons.

If Harden and Curry swapped places, Harden would be a winner because he would almost certainly have a ring by now, or at least have won the West.
- plays no D whatsoever
- terrible shot selection
- at his best when playing at fast pace -> great player for the regular season, not so much for the playoffs
just because someone has james harden's tools doesn't mean he'll act like james harden in all ways
I trust Danny Ainge

Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2017, 11:32:53 AM »

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I think Fultz is the next James Harden.

That being said, I don't like Harden. He is obviously a very talented player (legitimate MVP candidate this year) but imo he is not a winner. He is an entertainer.
Not really sure how this makes sense. Every team James Harden has led has been a winning team except for the season where they fired Kevin McHale. Just because he doesn't win titles out West (as in Western Conference Champs as well as NBA Champs) competing against teams such as the Warriors and the Spurs hardly makes him not a winner - he simply has never really had a strong supporting cast.
The best players he's played alongside have been in decline Dwight Howard and maybe Trevor Ariza / Chandler Parsons.

If Harden and Curry swapped places, Harden would be a winner because he would almost certainly have a ring by now, or at least have won the West.
- plays no D whatsoever
- terrible shot selection
- at his best when playing at fast pace -> great player for the regular season, not so much for the playoffs
just because someone has james harden's tools doesn't mean he'll act like james harden in all ways
Can't argue with that. I guess only time will tell.

Having said that, Fultz has the physical tools to play above average D, yet he's been a below average defender at the college level.

Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2017, 11:42:44 AM »

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Name me one guy in the last 10 years that was drafted in the top 5 of the draft simply for his defense in college?

Saying he didn't play much D is simply pointing out what 95% of these kids are doing, and that's not playing much D.

Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2017, 11:45:17 AM »

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I think Fultz is the next James Harden.

That being said, I don't like Harden. He is obviously a very talented player (legitimate MVP candidate this year) but imo he is not a winner. He is an entertainer.
Not really sure how this makes sense. Every team James Harden has led has been a winning team except for the season where they fired Kevin McHale. Just because he doesn't win titles out West (as in Western Conference Champs as well as NBA Champs) competing against teams such as the Warriors and the Spurs hardly makes him not a winner - he simply has never really had a strong supporting cast.
The best players he's played alongside have been in decline Dwight Howard and maybe Trevor Ariza / Chandler Parsons.

If Harden and Curry swapped places, Harden would be a winner because he would almost certainly have a ring by now, or at least have won the West.
- plays no D whatsoever
- terrible shot selection
- at his best when playing at fast pace -> great player for the regular season, not so much for the playoffs
Technically hasn't stopped him from winning far more than he loses  ;) But I take your point. However, as GratefulCs said, it seems to me that their character is very different (both on the court and off).
Fultz was merely a mediocre defender, compared to Harden and his somewhat commonplace daydreaming on that end of the court. Fultz is also (obviously, as Harden is a multi time All-Star) not as dynamic as Harden.

I do agree that Fultz projects similarly, but ultimately will be quite different players - Fultz will win more, of course  ;)
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Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2017, 12:12:09 PM »

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I think Fultz is the next James Harden.

That being said, I don't particularly like Harden. He is obviously a very talented player (legitimate MVP candidate this year) but imo he is not a winner. He is an entertainer.
Harden being an entertainer is more a function of his personality than his skill.

Re: Is Fultz D'Angelo Russell 2.0?
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2017, 12:12:31 PM »

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I think Fultz is the next James Harden.

That being said, I don't like Harden. He is obviously a very talented player (legitimate MVP candidate this year) but imo he is not a winner. He is an entertainer.
Not really sure how this makes sense. Every team James Harden has led has been a winning team except for the season where they fired Kevin McHale. Just because he doesn't win titles out West (as in Western Conference Champs as well as NBA Champs) competing against teams such as the Warriors and the Spurs hardly makes him not a winner - he simply has never really had a strong supporting cast.
The best players he's played alongside have been in decline Dwight Howard and maybe Trevor Ariza / Chandler Parsons.

If Harden and Curry swapped places, Harden would be a winner because he would almost certainly have a ring by now, or at least have won the West.
- plays no D whatsoever
- terrible shot selection
- at his best when playing at fast pace -> great player for the regular season, not so much for the playoffs

You could say all the same things about Isaiah, who Harden is a better player than.

The only real issues with Harden are between his ears, things like his questionable motor and desire to win.

It's hard to criticize him on anything basketball wise unless your talking defense.