Can a core of Horford, PG13, Hayward, IT4 contend for a championship? (Poll)

[ETNCeltics]

Surprised by the "No" counts so far

Why not?

Why not? Because most fans see the potential of Fultz, how great the prospects at the top of the '18 draft are, and how good Jaylen Brown could be.

[freshinthehouse]

Contend? Define Contend. I think they could get past Cleveland a few times over the next 3-5 years. Basically a pick um. However, I don't see them competing with GS over that span at all. GS has a better player at all 4 spots. IT < Curry, Klay > Hayward, PG13 < Durant, and Draymond > Horford.

This. Trying to build a veteran team to compete against GS is a fool's errand.  They are just too good.  I'm all about putting out a good team right now, but the future of this team resides in Brown, Fultz and the BRK 2018 pick.  No one outside of Cleveland or maybe San Antonio (have a hard time ever counting pop out) is gonna knock off GS in the next 3-4 years.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

How do PG13 and Hayward even play together? And you want IT on that team, too? This isn't NBA2K. What next? Kobe with Westbrook?

[freshinthehouse]

Surprised by the "No" counts so far

Why not?

Because Golden State isn't going anywhere.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

Contend? Define Contend. I think they could get past Cleveland a few times over the next 3-5 years. Basically a pick um. However, I don't see them competing with GS over that span at all. GS has a better player at all 4 spots. IT < Curry, Klay > Hayward, PG13 < Durant, and Draymond > Horford.

This. Trying to build a veteran team to compete against GS is a fool's errand.  They are just too good.  I'm all about putting out a good team right now, but the future of this team resides in Brown, Fultz and the BRK 2018 pick.  No one outside of Cleveland or maybe San Antonio (have a hard time ever counting pop out) is gonna knock off GS in the next 3-4 years.

I agree with your overall thought but GSW's bench is going to get a lot weaker in the next 2 years.

[A Future of Stevens]

Contend? Define Contend. I think they could get past Cleveland a few times over the next 3-5 years. Basically a pick um. However, I don't see them competing with GS over that span at all. GS has a better player at all 4 spots. IT < Curry, Klay > Hayward, PG13 < Durant, and Draymond > Horford.

Also, all of our players would be on maxes, while some of the warriors have come out saying that they will take less than the max. So basically, they beat us at all 4 positions, and have more room to get help.

Same for Butler. To me he is a worse PG13, so the above logic still applies.

The harsh reality is, we don't have a great player on a good deal. We have IT who at 6 mil currently is a steal. But that disappears after next year.

Yes..except Hayward is better than Klay imo

And Horford better offensively than Green

I guess we disagree about Klay vs Hayward. While I view them in a similar light offensively, it is close. Klay is a much, much better defender than Hayward (in my opinion at the very least.) That makes him a better 2 way player which is kind of what I was talking about. Edit: I view it this way, even though I am someone who is rather positive about Haywards defense. He isn't as bad as some people think. I think their ability to score is very similar, but Hayward is the better passer.

Maybe Horford right now is a better offensive player, but Horford is much older than Green. Also Green is very good at his role offensively. He is the same caliber passer as Horford, and he is a much better rebounder. Horford has him beat at 3pt shooting and post scoring, but basically every other aspect goes to Draymond. As you only stated offense, I wont do a deep dive on defense where Horford is basically only acceptable as a rim protector, where as Draymond can protect the rim, or switch ANYTHING.

So I stick by my statement that they would be better at every position, AND have more flexibility.

[Tr1boy]

Surprised by the "No" counts so far

Why not?

Why not? Because most fans see the potential of Fultz, how great the prospects at the top of the '18 draft are, and how good Jaylen Brown could be.

I think most fans rather win championships then see how three good prospects would mesh in 3-4 years..

[Androslav]

It is silly to say we wouldn't at least contend. That is a loaded modern, young and deep team. What is the reasoning behind the oposite?

[freshinthehouse]

Contend? Define Contend. I think they could get past Cleveland a few times over the next 3-5 years. Basically a pick um. However, I don't see them competing with GS over that span at all. GS has a better player at all 4 spots. IT < Curry, Klay > Hayward, PG13 < Durant, and Draymond > Horford.

This. Trying to build a veteran team to compete against GS is a fool's errand.  They are just too good.  I'm all about putting out a good team right now, but the future of this team resides in Brown, Fultz and the BRK 2018 pick.  No one outside of Cleveland or maybe San Antonio (have a hard time ever counting pop out) is gonna knock off GS in the next 3-4 years.

I agree with your overall thought but GSW's bench is going to get a lot weaker in the next 2 years.

I think Boston with that core will struggle even more to keep a decent bench around.  We'll be paying Horford about the same as what GS pays Green and Thompson combined.

Golden State is just in a really fortunate situation right now.  I think it's silly to spend assets to try and take them on right now.

[Tr1boy]

Contend? Define Contend. I think they could get past Cleveland a few times over the next 3-5 years. Basically a pick um. However, I don't see them competing with GS over that span at all. GS has a better player at all 4 spots. IT < Curry, Klay > Hayward, PG13 < Durant, and Draymond > Horford.

This. Trying to build a veteran team to compete against GS is a fool's errand.  They are just too good.  I'm all about putting out a good team right now, but the future of this team resides in Brown, Fultz and the BRK 2018 pick.  No one outside of Cleveland or maybe San Antonio (have a hard time ever counting pop out) is gonna knock off GS in the next 3-4 years.

I agree with your overall thought but GSW's bench is going to get a lot weaker in the next 2 years.

I think Boston with that core will struggle even more to keep a decent bench around.  We'll be paying Horford about the same as what GS pays Green and Thompson combined.

Golden State is just in a really fortunate situation right now.  I think it's silly to spend assets to try and take them on right now.

Remembr the 08-10 run?

Good vets where throwing themselves to play for the Celts
Take a discount/vet min

[freshinthehouse]

Contend? Define Contend. I think they could get past Cleveland a few times over the next 3-5 years. Basically a pick um. However, I don't see them competing with GS over that span at all. GS has a better player at all 4 spots. IT < Curry, Klay > Hayward, PG13 < Durant, and Draymond > Horford.

This. Trying to build a veteran team to compete against GS is a fool's errand.  They are just too good.  I'm all about putting out a good team right now, but the future of this team resides in Brown, Fultz and the BRK 2018 pick.  No one outside of Cleveland or maybe San Antonio (have a hard time ever counting pop out) is gonna knock off GS in the next 3-4 years.

I agree with your overall thought but GSW's bench is going to get a lot weaker in the next 2 years.

I think Boston with that core will struggle even more to keep a decent bench around.  We'll be paying Horford about the same as what GS pays Green and Thompson combined.

Golden State is just in a really fortunate situation right now.  I think it's silly to spend assets to try and take them on right now.

Remembr the 08-10 run?

Good vets where throwing themselves to play for the Celts
Take a discount/vet min

As they will with Golden State.  I see no reason why Boston would be able to build a better bench than GS.  And they would need a better bench, because their core is significantly better than the prospective Celtics core that the OP listed.

[slamtheking]

Surprised by the "No" counts so far

Why not?

Easy.
- Horford is the only proven big man on the roster.  he's a solid player but not someone who can put the team on his back for a win.  also not a big rebounder so that's still an issue.
- PG13 (if going with him) is a 1-year rental.  more likely to leave to LA than stay until he publicly states otherwise.  Also not as good as Lebron or Durant at SF so we still have a talent gap there.
- Butler (if going with him) is not a reliable outside shooter.  overmatched if covering Durant or Lebron.
- Hayward - overmatched if covering Durant or Lebron.  solid player but not on the same level as PG or Butler.
- IT - same issue every postseason - gets picked on by the other team's PG on D.  cannot cover Kyrie or Curry or be switched to cover the other guards.  hasn't shown he can really facilitate the offense effectively at a level needed from a starting PG -- more at a backup PG level.  Questionable if he can be effective when not the focal point of the offense.

Bench is weak as is the 5th starter in any of your line-ups. 

team would be 2nd or 3rd seed in East if Cleveland decides to play for the top seed and if Toronto is healthy --> better depth on roster. 

[ETNCeltics]

Surprised by the "No" counts so far

Why not?

Why not? Because most fans see the potential of Fultz, how great the prospects at the top of the '18 draft are, and how good Jaylen Brown could be.

I think most fans rather win championships then see how three good prospects would mesh in 3-4 years..

That team would almost certainly not be good enough to win a title, and we'd have surrendered our future for a couple years before the reality of the salary cap tore the team apart.

[Tr1boy]

Surprised by the "No" counts so far

Why not?

Easy.
- Horford is the only proven big man on the roster.  he's a solid player but not someone who can put the team on his back for a win.  also not a big rebounder so that's still an issue.
- PG13 (if going with him) is a 1-year rental.  more likely to leave to LA than stay until he publicly states otherwise.  Also not as good as Lebron or Durant at SF so we still have a talent gap there.
- Butler (if going with him) is not a reliable outside shooter.  overmatched if covering Durant or Lebron.
- Hayward - overmatched if covering Durant or Lebron.  solid player but not on the same level as PG or Butler.
- IT - same issue every postseason - gets picked on by the other team's PG on D.  cannot cover Kyrie or Curry or be switched to cover the other guards.  hasn't shown he can really facilitate the offense effectively at a level needed from a starting PG -- more at a backup PG level.  Questionable if he can be effective when not the focal point of the offense.

Bench is weak as is the 5th starter in any of your line-ups. 

team would be 2nd or 3rd seed in East if Cleveland decides to play for the top seed and if Toronto is healthy --> better depth on roster.

There are no players better than Durant, Lebron

So forget the comparisons

As a collective unit...well Wyc adds 2 more all stars he is looking for

This is as "realistic" as you can get to build a super team now

[SHAQATTACK]

with Smart , Brown , and Boogie