Would PG13 trade go down on draft night, or after signing Hayward?

[rondohondo]

Just for fun

Say Danny isn't sold on Fultz's defense and decides to line up this roster pretty well age wise, while keeping Jaylen and brk 18.

Obvious trade would be Zellar .Jae, Rozier and #1 for George

I believe you would also have to move Bradley for a draft pick or rookie contract, to leave enough to sign a max.

Leaves you with a core of

It.              Smart
Jaylen.     Green (vet min)
Hayward.  Nadar
George.      Jerebko?
Horford.       Zicic


Would it make more sense before or after we sign Hayward?

[playdream]

sorry but it doesn't make any sense at all..
PG is going to the Lakers

[CelticsElite]

Why would we sign 2 max small forwards

[rondohondo]

Why would we sign 2 max small forwards

Because Hayward Can play the 2/3 and George the 3/4 , and both are top 25 players in this league just entering their primes at the age of 27 .

And PP thinks it makes us a contender by the way, I'll take his analysis over talking heads trying to get clicks saying George is going to LA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXN8MxBuNjw

[td450]

You've lined up 4 max/near max contracts if you intend on keeping IT.

[droopdog7]

I'd rather offer them Brown + Brooklyn 18' than Fultz. 

[rondohondo]

You've lined up 4 max/near max contracts if you intend on keeping IT.

With brk 18, bos 18 and Yabu all coming on rookie contracts next year.....

[CsBanner18]

The BKN 17 should be off the table for PG13. Also hesitant to give up the BKN 18. Lets see if the Lakers are desperate/dumb enough to trade #2 for him. Will a team with a top 6 pick try and trade for him without an agreement in place for an extension? Doubt it. Will teams give up stars or star prospects for him without an extention? All signs point to no.

Not willing to overpay for PG. My offer would be:

Zeller, Crowder, Rozier, the MEM and LAC picks, and a future Cs 1st. (Plus we have plenty of 2nd rounders we could add)

Win now core: IT, AB, PG, Horford
Win now/future core: Fultz, Jaylen, BKN 18, and Zizic

[ETNCeltics]

You've lined up 4 max/near max contracts if you intend on keeping IT.

With brk 18, bos 18 and Yabu all coming on rookie contracts next year.....

Wouldn't matter, we'd be way into the luxury tax with those 4 contracts.

[droopdog7]

The BKN 17 should be off the table for PG13. Also hesitant to give up the BKN 18. Lets see if the Lakers are desperate/dumb enough to trade #2 for him. Will a team with a top 6 pick try and trade for him without an agreement in place for an extension? Doubt it. Will teams give up stars or star prospects for him without an extention? All signs point to no.

Not willing to overpay for PG. My offer would be:

Zeller, Crowder, Rozier, the MEM and LAC picks, and a future Cs 1st. (Plus we have plenty of 2nd rounders we could add)

Win now core: IT, AB, PG, Horford
Win now/future core: Fultz, Jaylen, BKN 18, and Zizic

Clearly you don't want PG13 because that's a garbage offer.

[td450]

The BKN 17 should be off the table for PG13. Also hesitant to give up the BKN 18. Lets see if the Lakers are desperate/dumb enough to trade #2 for him. Will a team with a top 6 pick try and trade for him without an agreement in place for an extension? Doubt it. Will teams give up stars or star prospects for him without an extention? All signs point to no.

Not willing to overpay for PG. My offer would be:

Zeller, Crowder, Rozier, the MEM and LAC picks, and a future Cs 1st. (Plus we have plenty of 2nd rounders we could add)

Win now core: IT, AB, PG, Horford
Win now/future core: Fultz, Jaylen, BKN 18, and Zizic

Clearly you don't want PG13 because that's a garbage offer.

Paul George holds most of the cards; not Indiana, and not teams considering a trade for him. All he has to do is say he is adamant that he won't re-sign with a team and a trade is off, or at the very least, the value proposition changes drastically. He might say nothing and let teams guess, but I doubt it.

He could be flexible, and identify a set of teams, and that would create a market where the teams would have to bid against one another.

He also might try to dictate exactly where he goes. That would be good for his new team and bad for Indiana.  It seems like it would be in his best interest to help his new team, not his old one. If he does that, they have to take the best deal they can, or keep him for one year and lose him. They might not get anywhere near full value.

[droopdog7]

The BKN 17 should be off the table for PG13. Also hesitant to give up the BKN 18. Lets see if the Lakers are desperate/dumb enough to trade #2 for him. Will a team with a top 6 pick try and trade for him without an agreement in place for an extension? Doubt it. Will teams give up stars or star prospects for him without an extention? All signs point to no.

Not willing to overpay for PG. My offer would be:

Zeller, Crowder, Rozier, the MEM and LAC picks, and a future Cs 1st. (Plus we have plenty of 2nd rounders we could add)

Win now core: IT, AB, PG, Horford
Win now/future core: Fultz, Jaylen, BKN 18, and Zizic

Clearly you don't want PG13 because that's a garbage offer.

Paul George holds most of the cards; not Indiana, and not teams considering a trade for him. All he has to do is say he is adamant that he won't re-sign with a team and a trade is off, or at the very least, the value proposition changes drastically. He might say nothing and let teams guess, but I doubt it.

He could be flexible, and Indiana might get a huge haul, or he might try to dictate exactly where he goes, which seems like it would be in his best interest, even though it screws Indiana. If he does that, they have to take the best deal they can. They might not get anywhere near full value.

If PG13 does do that, then Indiana would be best served to trade him to the team he wants to go to.  That will still net them the most value because remembers, PG would prefer to resign with that team than sign as a free agent.  And why would a team that thinks it knows that PG will not resign with them trade for him in at all?

[CsBanner18]

The BKN 17 should be off the table for PG13. Also hesitant to give up the BKN 18. Lets see if the Lakers are desperate/dumb enough to trade #2 for him. Will a team with a top 6 pick try and trade for him without an agreement in place for an extension? Doubt it. Will teams give up stars or star prospects for him without an extention? All signs point to no.

Not willing to overpay for PG. My offer would be:

Zeller, Crowder, Rozier, the MEM and LAC picks, and a future Cs 1st. (Plus we have plenty of 2nd rounders we could add)

Win now core: IT, AB, PG, Horford
Win now/future core: Fultz, Jaylen, BKN 18, and Zizic

Clearly you don't want PG13 because that's a garbage offer.

Paul George holds most of the cards; not Indiana, and not teams considering a trade for him. All he has to do is say he is adamant that he won't re-sign with a team and a trade is off, or at the very least, the value proposition changes drastically. He might say nothing and let teams guess, but I doubt it.

He could be flexible, and identify a set of teams, and that would create a market where the teams would have to bid against one another.

He also might try to dictate exactly where he goes. That would be good for his new team and bad for Indiana.  It seems like it would be in his best interest to help his new team, not his old one. If he does that, they have to take the best deal they can, or keep him for one year and lose him. They might not get anywhere near full value.

TP! PG and the teams bidding against each other have the most leverage. If they don't want to pay full value for a soon to be FA, the Pacers will have to take less.

Zeller - can be traded as an expiring to bring back another player/pick. Could also just waive him and save $8M in cap space

Rozier - Has 2 years left on his rpokie deal and is getting better. Nice prospect for IND--who may or may not want to bring back Jeff Teague.

Crowder - 3 more years left on his deal. Easily one of the best contracts in the NBA. Could be kept or traded to a playoff team for a player/pick

Add in 3 future 1sts and I don't think my deal is bad. I think the Grizzlies pick might end up having some good value. Gasol is only getting older, and they have about 75-80% of their cap committed to the trio of Conley, Gasol, & Parsons.

Griffin leaving LA could affect the value of the LAC pick 

[CelticSince83]

The BKN 17 should be off the table for PG13. Also hesitant to give up the BKN 18. Lets see if the Lakers are desperate/dumb enough to trade #2 for him. Will a team with a top 6 pick try and trade for him without an agreement in place for an extension? Doubt it. Will teams give up stars or star prospects for him without an extention? All signs point to no.

Not willing to overpay for PG. My offer would be:

Zeller, Crowder, Rozier, the MEM and LAC picks, and a future Cs 1st. (Plus we have plenty of 2nd rounders we could add)

Win now core: IT, AB, PG, Horford
Win now/future core: Fultz, Jaylen, BKN 18, and Zizic

Clearly you don't want PG13 because that's a garbage offer.

Paul George holds most of the cards; not Indiana, and not teams considering a trade for him. All he has to do is say he is adamant that he won't re-sign with a team and a trade is off, or at the very least, the value proposition changes drastically. He might say nothing and let teams guess, but I doubt it.

He could be flexible, and identify a set of teams, and that would create a market where the teams would have to bid against one another.

He also might try to dictate exactly where he goes. That would be good for his new team and bad for Indiana.  It seems like it would be in his best interest to help his new team, not his old one. If he does that, they have to take the best deal they can, or keep him for one year and lose him. They might not get anywhere near full value.

TP! PG and the teams bidding against each other have the most leverage. If they don't want to pay full value for a soon to be FA, the Pacers will have to take less.

Zeller - can be traded as an expiring to bring back another player/pick. Could also just waive him and save $8M in cap space

Rozier - Has 2 years left on his rpokie deal and is getting better. Nice prospect for IND--who may or may not want to bring back Jeff Teague.

Crowder - 3 more years left on his deal. Easily one of the best contracts in the NBA. Could be kept or traded to a playoff team for a player/pick

Add in 3 future 1sts and I don't think my deal is bad. I think the Grizzlies pick might end up having some good value. Gasol is only getting older, and they have about 75-80% of their cap committed to the trio of Conley, Gasol, & Parsons.

Griffin leaving LA could affect the value of the LAC pick

In re Zeller, I thought under the new CBA non-guaranteed contracts no longer count towards trade value(s)?

[Csfan1984]

I'd rumor a PG trade just to get the Lakers to bite and give up their farm for him lol.