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Re: How do we improve the defense?
« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2017, 01:50:51 PM »

Offline Boris Badenov

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Here's a list of players who are decent rebounders, 26 or under, with decent advanced defensive metrics. The criteria I picked are subjective of course, but you can play around with them. It's a way of maybe finding some people who aren't immediately obvious.

http://bkref.com/tiny/r9tEE
Why limit it to 26 and under in age. We are talking role player and a role player on a one or 2 year contract can be just about any age.

You can change any number you want, Nick. Just click "show search terms" and go for it.

Re: How do we improve the defense?
« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2017, 01:54:05 PM »

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After signing Hayward by trading away Bradley for draft picks do a sign and trade of KO for Tyson Chandler.

Definitely, the best way to improve the defense  ::)
Lol :laugh: TP!

Not to mention, Horford can no longer defend the perimeter so it would be foolish on our part to pair him with Chandler.

Re: How do we improve the defense?
« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2017, 01:56:34 PM »

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After signing Hayward by trading away Bradley for draft picks do a sign and trade of KO for Tyson Chandler.

Or WCS. He is younger, and less likely to be burned on switches

Which is funny, because the main issue with him, is that he doesn't know how to help on defense, or switch properly.

I like WCS, but I think at this point, he's set to be a role playing lite version of Tyson Chandler.

He knew how to switch properly in college.  He was savant-like.   I haven't seen him much in the NBA, but it's not difficult for me to believe that some of his teammates in SAC have made him look bad.

His primary issue coming to the pros was defensive rebounding, and it looks like that's still an issue, albeit an improving one.  It is my biggest aversion (although I'd still happily give him a look for the right price.)

What about trading for John Henson... good foot speed, rim protector, reasonable contract, on a rebuilding team that treasures draft picks. He's already they're backup center so he should be attainable
I wouldn't be surprised if Milwaukee moved him on. He hasn't really improved significantly since turning pro, yet he fits a need for us quite easily. Not sure what we'd give up to get him though.

To be honest I got distracted by the potential of Brooklyn pursuing him in an offer based around Lopez that I overlooked how nicely he'd fit in here.

They should give us a pick for taking Henson. If we're just looking for an OK center there are a lot of guys around the league that could be had, it just depends on how much cap space you're willing to eat up. Teams want to keep the cheap ones and get rid of the backups making 10+ million/year for multiple years.

Re: How do we improve the defense?
« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2017, 02:03:22 PM »

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Its weird that our guys are terrific individual defenders but we don't have terrific defense. Is IT that big of a detriment? Perhaps.

Has a lot more to do with only one guy who can elevate to the rim and block shots (Horford.)

Re: How do we improve the defense?
« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2017, 02:07:25 PM »

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Its weird that our guys are terrific individual defenders but we don't have terrific defense. Is IT that big of a detriment? Perhaps.

Has a lot more to do with only one guy who can elevate to the rim and block shots (Horford.)

I agree. With IT out against the Cavs, our defense still looked basically the same.

Re: How do we improve the defense?
« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2017, 02:08:25 PM »

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After signing Hayward by trading away Bradley for draft picks do a sign and trade of KO for Tyson Chandler.

He'll be 35 in October, has two years left on his deal, has never had any appreciable level of skill, and has always been a punk (well, at least imo, anyway).  Pass.
No appreciable offensive skill? Maybe if you discount offensive rebounding and setting monster picks. But that's not what you get him for. You get him to be the defensive anchor and suck up defensive rebounds. His age doesn't bother me. He is still putting up. 9 PPG and 11 RPG while being a great last line of defense.
Chandler wouldn't be a bad target but a sign and trade of KO is very unlikely.  I don't think Phoenix would be interested in KO.  You'd have to let KO go to get Hayward and then work a Bradley for Chandler trade. 

Re: How do we improve the defense?
« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2017, 02:18:21 PM »

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Its weird that our guys are terrific individual defenders but we don't have terrific defense. Is IT that big of a detriment? Perhaps.

Has a lot more to do with only one guy who can elevate to the rim and block shots (Horford.)

I agree. With IT out against the Cavs, our defense still looked basically the same.
Only in game 5. We defended them quite well in games 3 and 4.

Re: How do we improve the defense?
« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2017, 02:37:03 PM »

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After signing Hayward by trading away Bradley for draft picks do a sign and trade of KO for Tyson Chandler.

He'll be 35 in October, has two years left on his deal, has never had any appreciable level of skill, and has always been a punk (well, at least imo, anyway).  Pass.
No appreciable offensive skill? Maybe if you discount offensive rebounding and setting monster picks. But that's not what you get him for. You get him to be the defensive anchor and suck up defensive rebounds. His age doesn't bother me. He is still putting up. 9 PPG and 11 RPG while being a great last line of defense.
Chandler wouldn't be a bad target but a sign and trade of KO is very unlikely.  I don't think Phoenix would be interested in KO.  You'd have to let KO go to get Hayward and then work a Bradley for Chandler trade.
That works too. I just think Chandler would fill the Amir Johnson role but with amazing rebounding and better defense, especially down low. He isn't the defender he once was but as a former DPOY, he is still a great down low defender.