Possibly huge, understated opportunity cost for pursuing Hayward this summer?

[Roy H.]

Option 6?  I don't see an Option 6.  CTRL+F isn't helping me either.

From your article:

[kozlodoev]

Just as an aside, Zach Randolph is a million years old, and played out this year on a $10 million deal from the Grizzlies. His salary won't double over the summer.

Even more hilarious is the idea that someone will pay Mirotic, JaMychal Green, or Olynyk $20 million a season.

[obnoxiousmime]

Hayward is an unrestricted free agent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Celtics can talk with him and wait until he makes his decision to start renouncing players. Regarding the players with player options, I don't expect those to be picked up anyway, so they can just be released regardless. I mean, Johnson looks like an old man now and Zeller barely got on the court. Why would we be scared of declining their options?

If Hayward agrees in principle (but not sign an actual, official contract) the Celtics can then renounce Olynyk and trade Smart or Crowder. I assume that this is something they have prepared for with teams that have cap space. It's not like they haven't thought of this beforehand.

Besides, we don't necessarily HAVE to sign any of those other free agents. If they're going to be overpaid, why bother? We can use the space to sign our own guys and/or give extensions to guys like Bradley or Thomas.

If the Celtics ARE interested in one of those other FAs and that player really wants to play for the Celtics, they should be willing to wait for Hayward to make his decision, but obviously there are no guarantees. Frankly, I don't think any of those guys are good signings, especially Olynyk. Though, it might be worth it just so that we could buy the jersey.

[Trifecta]

Who is #5 on your list?
Lol

Kelly Olynyk

Hahaha I'm crying.. tp

[TheSundanceKid]

The cost of Hayward is 3 of Bradley, Smart, KO and IT. Crowder is too cheap to be a factor here. Those 4 will command contracts that take us into the luxury tax, to sign Hayward we will need to lose 3 of them. To me that's definitely not a price worth paying and hamstrings us in future years.

I'd rather re-sign those 4 and move them when the young guy at their position is deemed good enough to take over

[MetroGlobe]

Even more hilarious is the idea that someone will pay Mirotic, JaMychal Green, or Olynyk $20 million a season.

This is a lock to happen.  According to this site ( http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245546/The-Maximum-Available-2017-Cap-Space-For-All-30-NBA-Teams-Version-50) like a million teams can have tons of cap room if they choose to.

Sacramento

 $61,879,992

Philadelphia

 $61,777,567

Golden State

 $56,022,815

Chicago

 $52,303,896

Miami

 $45,112,824

Denver

 $44,976,171

LA Clippers

 $36,357,897

Dallas

 $36,206,664

Boston

 $35,187,999

Minnesota

 $35,068,968

Brooklyn

 $34,613,909

Indiana

 $33,704,263

Phoenix

 $32,606,903

Atlanta

 $32,043,937

Utah

 $32,029,055

LA Lakers

 $28,926,294

San Antonio

 $23,445,788

New York

 $22,273,680

Toronto

 $21,740,524

Orlando

 $19,822,460

[Who]

I would love to see Mirotic on this team. I think he would do really well under CBS.

[TheSundanceKid]

If they could. But the reality is most of that cap space is gone for player options, RFA and bird rights to key players.

The crazy cap days are over, we're almost back to the norm where 4 or 5 teams a year have cap space for one max slot. Teams will be way more cautious this year and beyond, the deals of last summer are going to look ridiculous in a year

[Grindfather]

Even more hilarious is the idea that someone will pay Mirotic, JaMychal Green, or Olynyk $20 million a season.

This is a lock to happen.  According to this site ( http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245546/The-Maximum-Available-2017-Cap-Space-For-All-30-NBA-Teams-Version-50) like a million teams can have tons of cap room if they choose to.

Sacramento

 $61,879,992

Philadelphia

 $61,777,567

Golden State

 $56,022,815

Chicago

 $52,303,896

Miami

 $45,112,824

Denver

 $44,976,171

LA Clippers

 $36,357,897

Dallas

 $36,206,664

Boston

 $35,187,999

Minnesota

 $35,068,968

Brooklyn

 $34,613,909

Indiana

 $33,704,263

Phoenix

 $32,606,903

Atlanta

 $32,043,937

Utah

 $32,029,055

LA Lakers

 $28,926,294

San Antonio

 $23,445,788

New York

 $22,273,680

Toronto

 $21,740,524

Orlando

 $19,822,460

You're kinda misreading that chart. The maximum cap space number is not realistic. Golden State for instance assumes they renounce Steph Curry, which they are just not going to do. What they are going to do is sign him to a MegaMax contract. Poof cap space gone.

You'd be better served looking at the projected cap space chart, which is the more likely scenario for each team.

The reality is they'll be some big dumb contracts but all those big men you listed are not getting 20 mill per.

[Roy H.]

The cost of Hayward is 3 of Bradley, Smart, KO and IT. Crowder is too cheap to be a factor here. Those 4 will command contracts that take us into the luxury tax, to sign Hayward we will need to lose 3 of them. To me that's definitely not a price worth paying and hamstrings us in future years.

I'd rather re-sign those 4 and move them when the young guy at their position is deemed good enough to take over

That's not really a fair way of putting it. Why, for instance, would signing Hayward cost IT, Smart and KO? You're arguing that Hayward's $30 million costs $60 million in other players.

Even without Hayward, it's unlikely that we commit $60 million per year to AB, Smart and KO. Why would we?

[Chris22]

Fultz, Brown, Hayward, Horford, and max FA.
That would be my plan for the future.

[Vermont Green]

Although I don't agree with all the specific numbers, I do agree with the general premise.  If we sign Hayward at $30M, along with Horford at close to that, it does limit what we can do in the future.  There may not be a big impact the first year but down the road, money will be tight.

I get the inclination that signing Hayward makes us better but I don't like the idea of having Horford and Hayward as two max contracts on the team for the next several years.  That is just a lot of money to be tied up in players that don't excite me all that much.

It is also true that we need a big more than we need Hayward.  I know there is no clear target for a big in FA but it will be that much harder next year or the year after to sign a big if we Horford and Hayward already on the books.

Yes, signing Hayward may allow us to trade someone like Crowder to get us back a big; Crowder plus something else would be required of course to get a decent big but that would be an option to go along with signing Hayward.

[tazzmaniac]

Even more hilarious is the idea that someone will pay Mirotic, JaMychal Green, or Olynyk $20 million a season.

This is a lock to happen.  According to this site ( http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245546/The-Maximum-Available-2017-Cap-Space-For-All-30-NBA-Teams-Version-50) like a million teams can have tons of cap room if they choose to.

Sacramento

 $61,879,992

Philadelphia

 $61,777,567

Golden State

 $56,022,815

Chicago

 $52,303,896

Miami

 $45,112,824

Denver

 $44,976,171

LA Clippers

 $36,357,897

Dallas

 $36,206,664

Boston

 $35,187,999

Minnesota

 $35,068,968

Brooklyn

 $34,613,909

Indiana

 $33,704,263

Phoenix

 $32,606,903

Atlanta

 $32,043,937

Utah

 $32,029,055

LA Lakers

 $28,926,294

San Antonio

 $23,445,788

New York

 $22,273,680

Toronto

 $21,740,524

Orlando

 $19,822,460

You're kinda misreading that chart. The maximum cap space number is not realistic. Golden State for instance assumes they renounce Steph Curry, which they are just not going to do. What they are going to do is sign him to a MegaMax contract. Poof cap space gone.

You'd be better served looking at the projected cap space chart, which is the more likely scenario for each team.

The reality is they'll be some big dumb contracts but all those big men you listed are not getting 20 mill per.

Not just Curry but Durant also.   Once teams get done resigning their own players, they're won't be many teams with MAX cap space.  I'd expect a lot fewer dumb contracts than last offseason.   

[loco_91]

The opportunity cost to pursuing Hayward is pursuing Griffin. None of the other bigs (bar maybe Millsap) are likely to provide significant value above their cap hit. Danny is creative, and I'm sure he'll find a way to trade for a stopgap big who would replace Amir +Jerebko's production. We won't be contending anyway, so it doesn't really matter if we have ideal frontcourt depth.

[jambr380]

Who is #5 on your list?
Lol

Kelly Olynyk

Hahaha I'm crying.. tp

I feel like not enough time is being devoted to Olynyk in this thread. I was on the fence about signing KO this off-season, but this changes everything!