Rozier and #37 for Giles

[clevelandceltic]

Even at Duke his ability to rebound outside of his area was at a fairly high level. I think if nothing else his rebounding will translate and that's extremely valuable.

[footey]

He is a rebounding machine, especially if healthy, on the offensive boards. Would be our antidote to CLE's Tristan Thompson. 

[chilidawg]

Rozier shot 36.7 fg% and 31.8 3p%  Don't see why anyone is particularly high on him.  Don't see why the Bucks would trade for him win they need shooters. 

If the trade were available, I'd do it even though I'm not high on Giles based on his performance at Duke.  My philosophy is to draft for upside.  Giles has some star potential.

Because he's young and has a good chance of improving, and has the elite athleticism we lack.

Giles workouts have supposedly been pretty good, he's a guy that's very difficult to project and could go much higher or lower than the mock draft guesses.

[ETNCeltics]

He's not 6'11, he's 6'9 w/out shoes, and is chronically injured.

I have a feeling Ainge will hold onto Rozier, especially if he thinks that AB won't be here come next year. I doubt Rozier + 37 gets us to the middle of the 2nd anyway.

I just don't see a lot there with GIles. If we were to trade up, which I seriously doubt we will, then I see a # of better prospects to look at over Giles. Even still, we're going to saddle CBS with coaching 3 rookie big men? Don't think that's going to happen.

IMO, come next season, Zizic, Yabu, and Fultz will be our only rookies, and our 2nd rounders will be traded away or draft and stashed.

I doubt Yabu comes over next year, but Nader probably makes the team.

As for Giles' height, every NBA player's height is "in shoes" now. I mean, Lebron is 6'7", but he's usually labeled 6'9".

As in the other thread, why is it that the Celts think Yabu is coming but you don't.

Lebron's cheated up by 3/4". It's not like he's Kevin Love cheating 2+ inches. And no, every NBA player isn't listed that way. Kevin Durant would be 7' tall if that were the case, and KG was noticably taller than guys who were listed at 7'.

[clevelandceltic]

He's not 6'11, he's 6'9 w/out shoes, and is chronically injured.

I have a feeling Ainge will hold onto Rozier, especially if he thinks that AB won't be here come next year. I doubt Rozier + 37 gets us to the middle of the 2nd anyway.

I just don't see a lot there with GIles. If we were to trade up, which I seriously doubt we will, then I see a # of better prospects to look at over Giles. Even still, we're going to saddle CBS with coaching 3 rookie big men? Don't think that's going to happen.

IMO, come next season, Zizic, Yabu, and Fultz will be our only rookies, and our 2nd rounders will be traded away or draft and stashed.

I doubt Yabu comes over next year, but Nader probably makes the team.

As for Giles' height, every NBA player's height is "in shoes" now. I mean, Lebron is 6'7", but he's usually labeled 6'9".

As in the other thread, why is it that the Celts think Yabu is coming but you don't.

Lebron's cheated up by 3/4". It's not like he's Kevin Love cheating 2+ inches. And no, every NBA player isn't listed that way. Kevin Durant would be 7' tall if that were the case, and KG was noticably taller than guys who were listed at 7'.

Love is 6'9 in shoes and he is the same height if not a little smaller than LeBron. There is no way in hell LeBron is 6'5 or 6'6

[Roy H.]

He's not 6'11, he's 6'9 w/out shoes, and is chronically injured.

I have a feeling Ainge will hold onto Rozier, especially if he thinks that AB won't be here come next year. I doubt Rozier + 37 gets us to the middle of the 2nd anyway.

I just don't see a lot there with GIles. If we were to trade up, which I seriously doubt we will, then I see a # of better prospects to look at over Giles. Even still, we're going to saddle CBS with coaching 3 rookie big men? Don't think that's going to happen.

IMO, come next season, Zizic, Yabu, and Fultz will be our only rookies, and our 2nd rounders will be traded away or draft and stashed.

I doubt Yabu comes over next year, but Nader probably makes the team.

As for Giles' height, every NBA player's height is "in shoes" now. I mean, Lebron is 6'7", but he's usually labeled 6'9".

As in the other thread, why is it that the Celts think Yabu is coming but you don't.

Lebron's cheated up by 3/4". It's not like he's Kevin Love cheating 2+ inches. And no, every NBA player isn't listed that way. Kevin Durant would be 7' tall if that were the case, and KG was noticably taller than guys who were listed at 7'.

Players are listed as "in shoes" by the media and their teams. That's the standard.  If one current player does differently, that's hardly noteworthy.

The Celtics haven't announced their intentions, have they? A marginal rookie coming off surgery who takes up an oversized chunk of the cap doesn't sound like a priority. On Monday, Steve Bulpett noted the Celtics are considering keeping him overseas.

[BMark]

Trade for Giles and let him rehab for a year.  The Cs can have their own mini-version of the Process...

[Real World]

I think Rozier is the guard that stays, and one of Smart or Bradley goes.   Possibly IT if not, cuz the contract and cap ramifications don't point toward Bradley being paid what he will likely seek.  The same could apply to IT as well.  IMO, and I'm no expert, Rozier on a rookie deal is makes more sense moving forward than a $20 million per Bradley, or a $30 million IT.  One (or both) of the latter simply can't happen.  What teams are going to start to realize under the new CBA is that the hefty deals have to go to stud players.  Horford, IT, and Bradley can't account for $80 million of the cap if you want to build a title contender.  None are franchise carrying stars.  This is also why I'm not all that crazy about signing Heyward to some Horford like contract.   The only way it works is if the deals are timed so that the rookie deals of Brown, Fultz, '18 BKN, and the assorted other rookie deals don't get redone till the albatrosses are over.

[Celtics4ever]

I would want a through physical on Giles knees. 

 Am I alone thinking that Rozier could one day be a better player than Smart?

[Monkhouse]

I would want a through physical on Giles knees. 

 Am I alone thinking that Rozier could one day be a better player than Smart?

Certainly has the tools and potential, the question is will it happen?

Who knows.

I'm down with taking a flier on Glies if he does indeed check approvingly through medical examinations.

[Roy H.]

I would want a through physical on Giles knees. 

 Am I alone thinking that Rozier could one day be a better player than Smart?

I suppose it's possible, although Rozier hasn't shown much more than end of rotation potential to me.

[Big333223]

I would want a through physical on Giles knees. 

 Am I alone thinking that Rozier could one day be a better player than Smart?

I suppose it's possible, although Rozier hasn't shown much more than end of rotation potential to me.

And let's not forget that Smart and Rozier are the same age (even though Smart has one more year in the NBA).

[Celtics4ever]

Certainly has the tools and potential, the question is will it happen?

Who knows

The same is true of Smart's shoot, too.  I love all the 50/50 balls and taking charges.

I suppose it's possible, although Rozier hasn't shown much more than end of rotation potential to me.

I think the same will be true of Smart some day if his shot does not improve.   Game 3 was an anomaly not the norm.  He will be a defender, with superb hustle, if his shot does not improve.

[IDreamCeltics]

Let's say Giles falls past the lottery, to around #17 or so in the draft.

Would you package Rozier and #37 for him, with full knowledge that he's unlikely to contribute at all next year?

As an aside, #17 is about where a Rozier trade for a pick becomes salary cap neutral

Nooooooo.  He's had three knee surgeries.  His combine vertical leap was 27 inches.  He is a shell of the player he could have been.  The tread's off those tires.  Giles is done.

[IDreamCeltics]

Even at Duke his ability to rebound outside of his area was at a fairly high level. I think if nothing else his rebounding will translate and that's extremely valuable.

We're talking about HARRY GILES right? 

He averaged 3.8 rebounds per game...