1 year title dash followed by mini-rebuild?

[playdream]

Why go that route when we can compete now (IT / Hayward / Horford) and later (Fultz / Brown / BRK 18)?

This is the way to go

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Why go that route when we can compete now (IT / Hayward / Horford) and later (Fultz / Brown / BRK 18)?

Who are you giving up via the salary cap to get Hayward? And how much net better are we with +Hayward -(Players we lose)? What's the opportunity cost for other young players if we sign Hayward?

u can always put hayward or brown at shooting guard. IF IT has to go moneywise then so be it. I think the whole premise of his post was keep the young picks to develop while still trying to get better adding hayward as a FA this way we do not lose anyone via trade.  Trading our picks for butler or PG is treading water long term and shortsighted. he only suggested signing a FA which allows us to keep the picks. nothing wrong with that.

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Read the article on the cap situation. Might be worth jettisoning really good role players to beef up the top of the roster. My keepers for next year are

IT and Bradley:  I don't see how a win now plan trades either one.
Horford, obviously.
Brown and (we assume) Fultz off the bench.
Rozier: Shoots, defends, good handle, wish he had better court vision, but a rotation player at a good price, and capable 3rd or 4th guard with upside at that. For $2M, folks. And our guard rotation is set.

I've got Smart as odd guard out.

Crowder replaced in the starting lineup by Hayward (or another upgrade)

Smart + Crowder are my most likely to move pieces. I hope to either get a starting PF or space to not have to renounce KO.  I keep KO over Smart/Crowder in the numbers crunch if we sign a starting SF.

Kelly seems like a better, more active and involved player as a starter. And he might be the best we can do.

Rozier, KO and Hayward replace Smart, Amir and Crowder. Improved shooting by replacing Amir and Marcus. We need to improve from within to make this work.

IT/AB/Hayward/KO/Horford is pretty potent. Consider KO as your 5th option, and you have a team that can score.

Our young bench of Rozier/Brown/Zizic would have to really step up against the veteran bench talent of GS and CLE. But that's what we've got. I expect quite a bit from Rozier/Brown, but we still need another Jerebko off the bench for my liking. Maybe Danny swings something else.

[vjcsmoke]

Why go that route when we can compete now (IT / Hayward / Horford) and later (Fultz / Brown / BRK 18)?

What if Fultz/Brown/BRK18 don't pop ?

LOL.  You guys like to have your cake and eat it too right?

Thousands and thousands of posts about how we need more draft picks - even though we have had the #6 overall, the #3 overall, and now the #1 overall, and still have Brooklyn's 18 in our pocket.  And people still wanting more draft picks.

And now you're worried - well what if those draft picks don't pan out.  Well it's the nature of the draft.  You can't have it all one way and then say, well what if they turn out no good?  *shakes head*

And then, I bet you're in the same bandwagon that wants to trade everyone in sight for draft picks.  Let's trade IT, let's trade Horford!!

I swear some people just like to be miserable.  This forum makes me feel dumber every time I read it.

To give you consolation - try trusting in Danny.  He's done a pretty awesome job so far at staying the course, adding talent, and slowly but surely building this team into a contender.  Did anyone see us reaching the ECF and the #1 seed in the East this year?  We're 1 year ahead of time in the 'rebuild'.  And the future is bright.  Really bright.

Stay calm and don't panic. 

[Future Celtics Owner]

"What do we have to lose?"

Getting ZERO value back for: IT, AB, and possibly Marcus Smart. Letting those players walk in a year would be a blow to this team.

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"What do we have to lose?"

Getting ZERO value back for: IT, AB, and possibly Marcus Smart. Letting those players walk in a year would be a blow to this team.

The lesson from trading away Antoine Walker for pieces was, to me, that doing something else with the cap space isnt choosing nothing, and 2) it can be better to just wait for the right player to be available than to sign the wrong one/best available at the moment.

With all of the pieces we have, it's going to happen. We won't make a consolidation trade with each one, or trade for a future protected pick. That's too much to ask. There isn't always a partner.

We survived watching Evan Turner and Jared Sullinger go in free agency. It's okay, even though we missed their particular skills we wouldn't have done better with them.

The thing they both lacked was 3pt shooting.

Which is why Smart is next.

[Surferdad]

Are we closer than we think? Will adding a #1 overall pick and some help at rebounding get us over the hump?

NO

Add Fultz and Zizic, see big improvement from Brown and Rozier, and incremental improvements from guys like Bradley, Thomas, and Crowder, and I think we're competing.

Competing, maybe.  Winning a title, NO.

[chilidawg]

Are we closer than we think? Will adding a #1 overall pick and some help at rebounding get us over the hump?

NO

Add Fultz and Zizic, see big improvement from Brown and Rozier, and incremental improvements from guys like Bradley, Thomas, and Crowder, and I think we're competing.

Competing, maybe.  Winning a title, NO.

 

By definition, to me, if you're competing you've got a shot.  Would we be favorites, no, but I think we'd have a shot.  Things don't always turn out the way they're expected to.