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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2017, 01:56:18 PM »

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I don't see the love with Monk.  So streaky.  I've seen him disappear from scoring in games and not be able to impact the game in any other ways.  He reminds of JR Smith a lot.

I like his ability to score in bunches, but he doesn't pass or rebound, and he's undersized with relatively short arms.

He is a combo guard

He has decent length arms but narrow shoulders. However more explosive and quicker than Fultz. Actually not many are much more explosive or quick than Monk
I think Smith Jr. and Fox are both more explosive

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2017, 01:57:18 PM »

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If we don't draft and keep Fultz, I will be very upset.  He is on another level.  We've all been pining for Timmy/Durant/Wiggins/KAT/Simmons in years where we actually had a draft pick and now we finally have the chance to get a prospect like that.  Trading him or his draft rights would be very ill conceived. 

You're going to get to root for Fultz for like 15-20 years and he will be one of the most entertaining and dominant players of the generation.  Why mess with that?

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2017, 01:59:27 PM »

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Instead of Kevin Durant what about Al Horford and Mike Conley?

Instead of Tim Duncan what about Billups and TMac?

Not happening.

Are you having the same coffee??

Fultz is not at the level of Jordan nor Durant
No he isn't but Monk and Tatum aren't on the same level as Billups nor TMac. The comparison was for the discrepancy in potential and ability, not for an actual likeness between two all time greats and a relatively unproven guy yet to be drafted.
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2017, 02:01:18 PM »

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If we don't draft and keep Fultz, I will be very upset.  He is on another level.  We've all been pining for Timmy/Durant/Wiggins/KAT/Simmons in years where we actually had a draft pick and now we finally have the chance to get a prospect like that.  Trading him or his draft rights would be very ill conceived. 

You're going to get to root for Fultz for like 15-20 years and he will be one of the most entertaining and dominant players of the generation.  Why mess with that?

How is Fultz at the level of Durant, Davis. Can you explain?

Did he win the sec tourney or made elite 8 at least in the March madness? Because Durant with his crappy texas did thay. D wade did it with Marquette

Did Fultz torch lesser and top level competition last season?

He looks good , some nifty skills plus physical tools.. but in the end its still about winning ..no?  His 'impact' towards winming is inconclusive

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2017, 02:01:58 PM »

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This thread is my greatest fear: That Ainge will go back into his "I know something no one else knows" ego mode and do something insane with the Fultz pick, like the two mentioned above.

Draft. Fultz.
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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2017, 02:03:30 PM »

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If we don't draft and keep Fultz, I will be very upset.  He is on another level.  We've all been pining for Timmy/Durant/Wiggins/KAT/Simmons in years where we actually had a draft pick and now we finally have the chance to get a prospect like that.  Trading him or his draft rights would be very ill conceived. 

You're going to get to root for Fultz for like 15-20 years and he will be one of the most entertaining and dominant players of the generation.  Why mess with that?

How is Fultz at the level of Durant, Davis. Can you explain?

Did he win the sec tourney or made elite 8 at least in the March madness? Because Durant with his crappy texas did thay. D wade did it with Marquette

Did Fultz torch lesser and top level competition last season?

He looks good , some nifty skills plus physical tools.. but in the end its still about winning ..no?  His 'impact' towards winming is inconclusive
I'm not sure you understand just how pitiful that Washington team was. Put Fultz on a semi decent team, let alone a UCLA or a Kentucky and he would have been very close to that NCAA championship game.
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2017, 02:03:39 PM »

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Triboy before we get too deep into this hypothetical, you have to explain how we could acquire these two players.

I dont see an obvious path.

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2017, 02:04:14 PM »

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If we don't draft and keep Fultz, I will be very upset.  He is on another level.  We've all been pining for Timmy/Durant/Wiggins/KAT/Simmons in years where we actually had a draft pick and now we finally have the chance to get a prospect like that.  Trading him or his draft rights would be very ill conceived. 

You're going to get to root for Fultz for like 15-20 years and he will be one of the most entertaining and dominant players of the generation.  Why mess with that?

How is Fultz at the level of Durant, Davis. Can you explain?

Did he win the sec tourney or made elite 8 at least in the March madness? Because Durant with his crappy texas did thay. D wade did it with Marquette

Did Fultz torch lesser and top level competition last season?

He looks good , some nifty skills plus physical tools.. but in the end its still about winning ..no?  His 'impact' towards winming is inconclusive
I'm not sure you understand just how pitiful that Washington team was. Put Fultz on a semi decent team, let alone a UCLA or a Kentucky and he would have been very close to that NCAA championship game.
UCLA sucked a year ago. Ball completely turned that team around.

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2017, 02:05:08 PM »

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I said the same thing about trading down.....
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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2017, 02:08:26 PM »

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If we don't draft and keep Fultz, I will be very upset.  He is on another level.  We've all been pining for Timmy/Durant/Wiggins/KAT/Simmons in years where we actually had a draft pick and now we finally have the chance to get a prospect like that.  Trading him or his draft rights would be very ill conceived. 

You're going to get to root for Fultz for like 15-20 years and he will be one of the most entertaining and dominant players of the generation.  Why mess with that?

How is Fultz at the level of Durant, Davis. Can you explain?

Did he win the sec tourney or made elite 8 at least in the March madness? Because Durant with his crappy texas did thay. D wade did it with Marquette

Did Fultz torch lesser and top level competition last season?

He looks good , some nifty skills plus physical tools.. but in the end its still about winning ..no?  His 'impact' towards winming is inconclusive
I'm not sure you understand just how pitiful that Washington team was. Put Fultz on a semi decent team, let alone a UCLA or a Kentucky and he would have been very close to that NCAA championship game.
UCLA sucked a year ago. Ball completely turned that team around.
Ball wasn't the one who got them potential NBA players such as TJ Leaf, or even fringe potential NBA players like Aaron Holiday. Even Ike Anigbogu might go in the second round. Fultz had no such help. It'd be like saying Paul Pierce wasn't a winner during that really bad stint for Boston. Completely circumstantial.
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2017, 02:14:43 PM »

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If we don't draft and keep Fultz, I will be very upset.  He is on another level.  We've all been pining for Timmy/Durant/Wiggins/KAT/Simmons in years where we actually had a draft pick and now we finally have the chance to get a prospect like that.  Trading him or his draft rights would be very ill conceived. 

You're going to get to root for Fultz for like 15-20 years and he will be one of the most entertaining and dominant players of the generation.  Why mess with that?

How is Fultz at the level of Durant, Davis. Can you explain?

Did he win the sec tourney or made elite 8 at least in the March madness? Because Durant with his crappy texas did thay. D wade did it with Marquette

Did Fultz torch lesser and top level competition last season?

He looks good , some nifty skills plus physical tools.. but in the end its still about winning ..no?  His 'impact' towards winming is inconclusive
I'm not sure you understand just how pitiful that Washington team was. Put Fultz on a semi decent team, let alone a UCLA or a Kentucky and he would have been very close to that NCAA championship game.
UCLA sucked a year ago. Ball completely turned that team around.
Ball wasn't the one who got them potential NBA players such as TJ Leaf, or even fringe potential NBA players like Aaron Holiday. Even Ike Anigbogu might go in the second round. Fultz had no such help. It'd be like saying Paul Pierce wasn't a winner during that really bad stint for Boston. Completely circumstantial.

Fultz stats efficiency was not the same - low level schools vs decent schools

He struggled in the all american mcdonalds game playing with the likes of Tatum, Ball etc

Its only one game...but it was a pressure game and Fultz didnt look comfortable.... The big question is...can fultz excel against top compeition and through pressure??

You can say yes for Monk and Tatum thus far

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2017, 02:16:51 PM »

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If we don't draft and keep Fultz, I will be very upset.  He is on another level.  We've all been pining for Timmy/Durant/Wiggins/KAT/Simmons in years where we actually had a draft pick and now we finally have the chance to get a prospect like that.  Trading him or his draft rights would be very ill conceived. 

You're going to get to root for Fultz for like 15-20 years and he will be one of the most entertaining and dominant players of the generation.  Why mess with that?

How is Fultz at the level of Durant, Davis. Can you explain?

Did he win the sec tourney or made elite 8 at least in the March madness? Because Durant with his crappy texas did thay. D wade did it with Marquette

Did Fultz torch lesser and top level competition last season?

He looks good , some nifty skills plus physical tools.. but in the end its still about winning ..no?  His 'impact' towards winming is inconclusive
I'm not sure you understand just how pitiful that Washington team was. Put Fultz on a semi decent team, let alone a UCLA or a Kentucky and he would have been very close to that NCAA championship game.
UCLA sucked a year ago. Ball completely turned that team around.
Ball wasn't the one who got them potential NBA players such as TJ Leaf, or even fringe potential NBA players like Aaron Holiday. Even Ike Anigbogu might go in the second round. Fultz had no such help. It'd be like saying Paul Pierce wasn't a winner during that really bad stint for Boston. Completely circumstantial.

Fultz stats efficiency was not the same vs low level schools vs decent schools

He struggled in the all american mcdonalds game playing with the likes of Tatum, Ball etc

Its only one game...but it was a pressure game and Fultz didnt look comfortable.... The big question is...can fultz excel against top compeition and through pressure??

You can say yes for Monk and Tatum
But nobody is saying yes to Monk and Tatum in regard to being a potential franchise changing superstar. Unlike for Fultz  ;)
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2017, 02:17:01 PM »

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Neither Monk nor Tatum are close to the level of prospect that Fultz is. Fultz is one of the best guard prospects since 2010 - neither of the other guys are even close to that sort of potential.
The time for trading for quantity has passed, it's now time for Boston to pick one of the most highly touted prospects in years.

It's not about quantity, it's about value, and should it turn out that our plan is to kick the can down the road  for a few more years, we should think long and hard about trading down to pick up some additional high quality assets, immediate gratification crowd be [dang]ed.

Fultz is an amazing prospect, but I don't think the gap between him and some of the lower ranked prospects is as big as people make it out to be.
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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2017, 02:19:44 PM »

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Instead of Kevin Durant what about Al Horford and Mike Conley?

Instead of Tim Duncan what about Billups and TMac?

Not happening.

Are you having the same coffee??

Fultz is not at the level of Jordan nor Durant

did somebody say coffee?
jk. fultz all day.
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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2017, 02:23:30 PM »

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Neither Monk nor Tatum are close to the level of prospect that Fultz is. Fultz is one of the best guard prospects since 2010 - neither of the other guys are even close to that sort of potential.
The time for trading for quantity has passed, it's now time for Boston to pick one of the most highly touted prospects in years.

It's not about quantity, it's about value, and should it turn out that our plan is to kick the can down the road  for a few more years, we should think long and hard about trading down to pick up some additional high quality assets, immediate gratification crowd be [dang]ed.

Fultz is an amazing prospect, but I don't think the gap between him and some of the lower ranked prospects is as big as people make it out to be.
I've only taken this angle considering there's no actual viable way outlined in the OP or any posts since as to how we would somehow trade #1 for two picks between #3-#6. However I do disagree, I do believe Fultz to be far and away the best prospect this year.
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)