What makes people think the Pacers would demand BK 17 for George on an expiring?

[jade88]

I doubt they give him away for pennies, but a number one pick? I'm confident that we can get him to verbally commit staying here, I just don't think he turns our situation down. Hell he loves him some IT4.

With that said, what do you think is the package that seals the deal? How do you see the negoiation going?

I see George as being significantly better than Hayward, why aim low? To me George is in the Durant level, the better defender too. I don't think a better SF will be available to us, and why settle?

Does Jaylen and BK 18 do it? Too much?

The thing I love about getting George without BK 17 is that we can still use that pick to grab a Butler or unforseen star. We can build a long athletic SG/SF combo.

[Phantom255x]

Jaylen and 2018 Nets Pick for 1 year of George? REALLY?

I wouldn't even give up one of them for a 1-for-1 swap for George.

He needs to commit before a trade, otherwise I don't see Ainge giving up any premium assets for an expiring PG13.

[Ogaju]

Jade.... you lost me at 'see George at Durant Level' that flaw in your assessment pervades and destroys the rest of your analysis.

George is not at Durant level and because of that he does not get any of the returns that you think he brings.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Crowder, Rozier, Yabu, BK18, Celtics 2019 first unprotected with Tyler Zeller thrown in to make the salaries work.  That's like  a legit 70 cents on the Dollar, right?  It has the potential to be dollar for a dollar if that BK18 pick hits, too.  Not sure if that gets it done, but that's a fair trade in my book for a player that won't stay with them.  Zeller can be waived right away, too.

[hwangjini_1]

Yes, but lets remember the preimise of this thread.

Indian a looking at losing George for nothing if he walks away. A trade, therefore, is desirable. However, the longer they wait, the less they are likely to get got him.

I don't think teams are lining up to trade large amounts for him. Teams can wait and get in the bidding for him as a FA, and thereby surrender nothing but cash.

I think the offer above is an overpay. Indiana is not in the drivers seat and I believe they will take a more modest offer for George. For them the choice is one year of George, nothing when he walks away, or whatever another team offers.

To me at least, the offers above appear to the Celtics bidding against themselves.

[jade88]

Jade.... you lost me at 'see George at Durant Level' that flaw in your assessment pervades and destroys the rest of your analysis.

George is not at Durant level and because of that he does not get any of the returns that you think he brings.

He's a lesser shooter of course, but I see them as close outside of that. George is tougher and the stronger 1v1 defender too. Sorry, outside of KD's amazing shooting prowess I value George the same way.

George has taken LeBron to 7 with much less than what KD had in 2012. He's amazing imo.

[jade88]

We need the best player we can get at every position if we want to compete with the big boys.

This is the team that I want,

IT is an elite scorer, too shelf talent. One way player, but let's just build a big team around him. Still appreciative to have a guy of this caliber in an offensive minded league.

Butler is an elite 2 way SG who gets to the FT line just like Thomas. Love this guys game, awesome 2 guard body.

Paul George is a special 2 way player imo, he never ceases to impress me with how [dang] hard he plays on both ends, defense is more so in the playoffs.... I'm not mad lol. He's taken LBJ to 7 With Hill and Hibbert lol. He should be our best player.

Horford is a dynamic player who elevates his teammates game, but he's a PF as a starter. If you need to go small he's one of the best NBA option, but there are nights that's a big liability. Can he still guard 4s? I dunno, but I risk it.

Our starter at center needs to be a Biyimbo type, he won't always be out there, we'll go small a lot, but we need a big time rebounder and shot blocker at this position. Unless a PF with these attributes is out there?

Just clearing up my line of thinking, this is what I would go for with our assets. I think this is a title caliber core. We have the assets to get these guys imo.

[Tr1boy]

I doubt they give him away for pennies, but a number one pick? I'm confident that we can get him to verbally commit staying here, I just don't think he turns our situation down. Hell he loves him some IT4.

With that said, what do you think is the package that seals the deal? How do you see the negoiation going?

I see George as being significantly better than Hayward, why aim low? To me George is in the Durant level, the better defender too. I don't think a better SF will be available to us, and why settle?

Does Jaylen and BK 18 do it? Too much?

The thing I love about getting George without BK 17 is that we can still use that pick to grab a Butler or unforseen star. We can build a long athletic SG/SF combo.

Cmon

Atl offered 4 1st and they said no

[Smitty77]

I doubt they give him away for pennies, but a number one pick? I'm confident that we can get him to verbally commit staying here, I just don't think he turns our situation down. Hell he loves him some IT4.

With that said, what do you think is the package that seals the deal? How do you see the negoiation going?

I see George as being significantly better than Hayward, why aim low? To me George is in the Durant level, the better defender too. I don't think a better SF will be available to us, and why settle?

Does Jaylen and BK 18 do it? Too much?

The thing I love about getting George without BK 17 is that we can still use that pick to grab a Butler or unforseen star. We can build a long athletic SG/SF combo.

First, BOTH Hayward AND George are WELL BELOW AVERAGE defenders!!  And actually, Hayward has a very slightly better defensive RPM than George!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/5

Second, Hayward has a higher overall RPM than George!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/5

I will give you that George BARELY has a higher WINS number than Hayward!!  (.22 higher)

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS/position/5

And the ironic thing is that they are 8th and 9th respectively in WINS, BUT Crowder is higher in 7th!!!

Smitty77

[Moranis]

Because LA will offer 2 if it means they get George and stop him from going to a team where he might actually sign long term.

[ETNCeltics]

We're not trading for Paul George.

It would be absurd to offer Brk 18 or Brown as part of a George deal.

Wyc's comments the other day + George's history all but guarantees he won't be in Boston.

[hwangjini_1]

I doubt they give him away for pennies, but a number one pick? I'm confident that we can get him to verbally commit staying here, I just don't think he turns our situation down. Hell he loves him some IT4.

With that said, what do you think is the package that seals the deal? How do you see the negoiation going?

I see George as being significantly better than Hayward, why aim low? To me George is in the Durant level, the better defender too. I don't think a better SF will be available to us, and why settle?

Does Jaylen and BK 18 do it? Too much?

The thing I love about getting George without BK 17 is that we can still use that pick to grab a Butler or unforseen star. We can build a long athletic SG/SF combo.

Cmon

Atl offered 4 1st and they said no

Yes, but were these picks not middle to late first round picks? I would not trade the brk 2018 for four such picks.

[CelticsElite]

“You don’t really want to necessarily trade a number one pick in a really good draft for somebody that’s halfway thru their career, already making max money,” the team’s governor and CEO stated. “That’s just a difficult trade to make. First of all, you have to match the money in the trade, so you’ve got to add significant additional players on our side to go just to sort of match the money, so it’s three or four guys going and one guy coming back.

“That guy better be pretty good because if you’re drafting No. 1 and you make the pick well – you do really draft a transcendent player – you’ve got that player for five or six years as they build up before the max money even kicks in. It just feels like this is a pick we will listen to offers, I’m sure, we will have conversations all the way thru June but, for me, making a first pick is an exciting prospect right now.”

[Tr1boy]

I doubt they give him away for pennies, but a number one pick? I'm confident that we can get him to verbally commit staying here, I just don't think he turns our situation down. Hell he loves him some IT4.

With that said, what do you think is the package that seals the deal? How do you see the negoiation going?

I see George as being significantly better than Hayward, why aim low? To me George is in the Durant level, the better defender too. I don't think a better SF will be available to us, and why settle?

Does Jaylen and BK 18 do it? Too much?

The thing I love about getting George without BK 17 is that we can still use that pick to grab a Butler or unforseen star. We can build a long athletic SG/SF combo.

Cmon

Atl offered 4 1st and they said no

Yes, but were these picks not middle to late first round picks? I would not trade the brk 2018 for four such picks.

Reference: Danny Nets trade

[CelticsElite]

Paul george isn't taking this team to the promise land