Which role player has to go to sign a max free agent...Bradley Jae or Olynyk?

[nickagneta]

So its pretty much determined that if we are to sign a max free agent then Zeller, Green, Jerebko, Johnson, Young, and at least one of KO, Crowder or Avery has to go. Avery or Crowder for draft pick consideration or by renouncing Kelly completely to get his cap hold gone.

I think they are all role players so I say keep the best 2 role players, and in my opinion that means you gotta let KO walk. But Bradley might need to go to clear up a guard glut and because he has a huge contract upcoming. But if Hayward signs that makes Crowder expendable.

There's reasons for all three. Who do you think needs to go to sign that max guy.

[__ramonezy__]

Kelly has the hardest skill set to replace, and of the three won't take starter money to resign (in my opinion).

Bradley has the most trade value, but is our best two-way player and would make an amazing 3rd option on a championship team.

Though I love the fight, I'd go Crowder... his skill set is readily replaceable and upgradeable in this league with minimal effort (Gay, Gallinari, Hayward, Butler, George). Something to entertain may be Crowder & BOS 2018 1st for Melo. Melo has the legitimate size to play minutes at the PF and the scoring ability we currently lack from a player over 6'0".

[SHAQATTACK]

Bradley if he could stay healthy is loads of fun .   But he plays a few games then broke again. This gets really old and screws with the consistency of the team in accomplishing its goals. He has more issues than my grandmother

Crowder seems to have lost drive , which maybe his mental deal with the reality of getting traded rearing its ugly head again. Crowder may not like being demoted to second stringer , behind Brown .....so I say if his attitude is poor .....open the door.....replace him with Butler or Hayward.


KO is a sissy , but a good soldier who seems to like the role of a secondary bench specialist with a very nice skill set for a big . .  Im inclined to keep KO , we have so few tall players .   He seems the most reasonable dude to work with and might accept a deal favorable to both.


im ready to trade Bradley and Crowder now.

[drogbagarnett]

Kelly has the hardest skill set to replace, and of the three won't take starter money to resign (in my opinion).

Bradley has the most trade value, but is our best two-way player and would make an amazing 3rd option on a championship team.

Though I love the fight, I'd go Crowder... his skill set is readily replaceable and upgradeable in this league with minimal effort (Gay, Gallinari, Hayward, Butler, George). Something to entertain may be Crowder & BOS 2018 1st for Melo. Melo has the legitimate size to play minutes at the PF and the scoring ability we currently lack from a player over 6'0".

Given the small salary Crowder has on a long term contract, I would rather trade AB now before his value goes down at the trade deadline and he end up signing with Brooklyn for near max money we wouldn't be able to match...
It pains me because I absolutely LOVE Bradley as a two way stud! Embodies the Celtics culture! But strategically he is the odd man out if we want to go for hayward...
I would do a trade like this :
BOS: Gives AB + BOS 2018 pick + all 2nd rounders
To Minnesota for : Jordan Hill + MIN 2017 #7 pick (Lauri Markkannen)
This frees up enough to max Hayward and have thus line up :

Thomas fultz rozier
Hayward smart young
crowder Brown Nader
olynyk Markkanen yabusele
horford zizic hill

Who has a better option...?

[OldSchoolDude]

If we're signing Hayward then Crowder has to go.  He'd be a bench player for us and CBS will try and play him at the 4 just to get him on the court. I'm done with Crowder as a pf and Smart as a sf for that matter.

                      Better than
Fultz.                                       IT
Brown.                                    Bradley
Hayward.                               Smart
Harford.                                 Crowder
Zizic.                                      Harford

May not be the starting five next year but will be the best line up.

[Roy H.]

I don't think Crowder's salary gets us there and he's signed for two more years, so he's safe.

KO plays a position of need. Also, he allows us to go significantly above the cap, and is a decent-sized salary to package after January 15 if there's an impact player available in trade, so he's safe.

Avery is the best player of the three, but will get $18+ million in free agency, and Smart, Fultz, Brown and Hayward can all play SG.  He'll bring back a future #1, and his salary alone probably gets us enough under the cap to sign Hayward.

It's AB.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Crowder will get us the most value in a trade. Phil likes him in NY. O'Quinn would be a good piece for us if we can't find a big in FA. I wonder who will throw money at KO this summer?

[keevsnick]

Kelly has the hardest skill set to replace, and of the three won't take starter money to resign (in my opinion).

Bradley has the most trade value, but is our best two-way player and would make an amazing 3rd option on a championship team.

Though I love the fight, I'd go Crowder... his skill set is readily replaceable and upgradeable in this league with minimal effort (Gay, Gallinari, Hayward, Butler, George). Something to entertain may be Crowder & BOS 2018 1st for Melo. Melo has the legitimate size to play minutes at the PF and the scoring ability we currently lack from a player over 6'0".

Given the small salary Crowder has on a long term contract, I would rather trade AB now before his value goes down at the trade deadline and he end up signing with Brooklyn for near max money we wouldn't be able to match...
It pains me because I absolutely LOVE Bradley as a two way stud! Embodies the Celtics culture! But strategically he is the odd man out if we want to go for hayward...
I would do a trade like this :
BOS: Gives AB + BOS 2018 pick + all 2nd rounders
To Minnesota for : Jordan Hill + MIN 2017 #7 pick (Lauri Markkannen)
This frees up enough to max Hayward and have thus line up :

Thomas fultz rozier
Hayward smart young
crowder Brown Nader
olynyk Markkanen yabusele
horford zizic hill

Who has a better option...?

Ya I suggested something similar on another thread. Thibodeau is a defensive minded coach and yet his team was awful defensively last year, I wonder if he'd bite at getting Avery in there especially with Lavine out. I imagine that team wants to make a playoff run this year.

[ThaPreacher]

I don't think Crowder's salary gets us there and he's signed for two more years, so he's safe.

KO plays a position of need. Also, he allows us to go significantly above the cap, and is a decent-sized salary to package after January 15 if there's an impact player available in trade, so he's safe.

Avery is the best player of the three, but will get $18+ million in free agency, and Smart, Fultz, Brown and Hayward can all play SG.  He'll bring back a future #1, and his salary alone probably gets us enough under the cap to sign Hayward.

It's AB.

Yep, but people want them some Crowder. Wouldn't be surprised to see him go in a package, if Ainge thinks he can fetch us some Hayward.   Not certain, Danny is sold on MAX with IT, after this Cleveland series.  And with all the Jackie Mac stories.

[PhoSita]

Olynyk can go.  We need somebody who can give the team energy on the boards and some rim protection.

Replace Kelly with a bigger wing/swing who can provide more consistency as a shooter and more defensive versatility.


I'd also trade Bradley for cap space and a pick or for some help up front.

[SparzWizard]

I'm giving Jae Crowder the Jared Sullinger treatment. He needs to go.
Avery Bradley is next if he can't stay healthy at the most crucial times.
Kelly Olynyk was our savior against Washington, so he can stay for another year. The guy played with tenacity.

[Jvalin]

Renouncing Kelly isn't enough. If we wanted to offer Hayward a 4-year max we would have to

- move Rozier+Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief
- let Amir, Jerebko, Green and Young walk
- renounce Kelly, Zeller
- decline team option for Mickey

By doing all this we would still be about 400K short of the 7-9 year vet max.

[RockinRyA]

Renouncing Kelly isn't enough. If we want to offer Hayward a 4-year max we have to

- move Rozier+Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief
- let Amir, Jerebko, Green and Young walk
- renounce Kelly, Zeller
- decline team option for Mickey

By doing all this we would still be about 400K short of the 7-9 year vet max.

We can keep Kelly if we move Bradley.

[Jvalin]

Renouncing Kelly isn't enough. If we want to offer Hayward a 4-year max we have to

- move Rozier+Jackson for future pick(s)/salary relief
- let Amir, Jerebko, Green and Young walk
- renounce Kelly, Zeller
- decline team option for Mickey

By doing all this we would still be about 400K short of the 7-9 year vet max.

We can keep Kelly if we move Bradley.

Sure. All I'm saying is that renouncing Kelly in order to go after Hayward is not an option. We would be 400K short of Hayward's max.


edit

My bad, it seems like we can't even do that. Saltlover explained the whole situation a few days ago. Here is his exact post.

I will never turn down the first overall pick, but getting a max free agent (of the Hayward and Griffin vintage) just became much more difficult.

If we let all the free agents/non-guaranteed guys go, dump Jackson, and convince Yab to stay overseas another year, we're at $28.8 million cap space, $1.5 million short of a max.  Even also moving Rozier would not create enough room.

If we instead keep Olynyk and trade Bradley (along with everyone else described above), they're at $29.9 million cap room, still about $400k short.  Moving Rozier in addition would work, but if you want a max player, get ready for some sort of significant trade.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=90819.msg2307509#new

[Roy H.]

^ SL may have miscalculated based upon whether cap charges are based upon a 12- or 13-man roster. If it's 12, as has been reported, then we can keep KO and Rozier if we move Bradley.