Fultz is untradeable. Our future big 3: Brown, Fultz, 2018 nets pick

[Future Celtics Owner]

Check out D'Andre Ayton: 7ft and 6'11'' w/o shoes, 7'5.5'' wingspan, 9'5'' standing reach and 243lbs. In 2015 he recorded a no step vertical of 28.5'' and a max vertical of 34.5''.
BTW  HE HAS NEVER LIFTED WEIGHTS!!!

He's going to Arizona next year and out of all the prospects, I'm going to have my eye on him. He would be a major player if he can show more polish and poise in the post. He has struggled offensively in most of the elite hs games this year and has effectively created zero offense for himself( in the post or from outside). Mostly, I'm looking for a quicker and more fluid motion on his jumper:  turn around, pullup, face up, fade away, step back. He's been on the radar since his soph year of hs and he showed flashes of the shooting ability of players like Myles Turner and Karl Towns. I've also seen him shooting pretty well from 3 in practice and in drills but he has not been able to take those flashes ( and his shooting drills) and apply it to his game in a meaningful way. His shot is not broken at all and he has the ability, he just needs to make his jumper more fluid and quicker. Obviously, if he wants to create his own offense he will need the proper footwork and body awareness.
Here are videos that show Ayton taking all the jumpers I mentioned. He shows flashes but in all the premiere games he has yet to show a polished offensive game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY9_bcBtQVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbjQ3688UhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S14-72ESLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO7B0ZvmLvk

[Somebody]

Check out D'Andre Ayton: 7ft and 6'11'' w/o shoes, 7'5.5'' wingspan, 9'5'' standing reach and 243lbs. In 2015 he recorded a no step vertical of 28.5'' and a max vertical of 34.5''.

He's going to Arizona next year and out of all the prospects, I'm going to have my eye on him. He would be a major player if he can show more polish and poise in the post. He has struggled offensively in most of the elite hs games this year and has effectively created zero offense for himself( in the post or from outside). Mostly, I'm looking for a quicker and more fluid motion on his jumper:  turn around, pullup, face up, fade away, step back. He's been on the radar since his soph year of hs and he showed flashes of the shooting ability of players like Myles Turner and Karl Towns. I've also seen him shooting pretty well from 3 in practice and in drills but he has not been able to take those flashes ( and his shooting drills) and apply it to his game in a meaningful way. His shot is not broken at all and he has the ability, he just needs to make his jumper more fluid and quicker. Obviously, if he wants to create his own offense he will need the proper footwork and body awareness.
Here is a year old video that shows Ayton taking all the jumpers I mentioned. He shows flashes but in all the premiere games he has yet to show a polished offensive game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbjQ3688UhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S14-72ESLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO7B0ZvmLvk

Bamba intrigues me more; even freakier measurements and a very smart and hardworking kid, more so than Aston who's already no slouch in those departments

[Future Celtics Owner]

Check out D'Andre Ayton: 7ft and 6'11'' w/o shoes, 7'5.5'' wingspan, 9'5'' standing reach and 243lbs. In 2015 he recorded a no step vertical of 28.5'' and a max vertical of 34.5''.

He's going to Arizona next year and out of all the prospects, I'm going to have my eye on him. He would be a major player if he can show more polish and poise in the post. He has struggled offensively in most of the elite hs games this year and has effectively created zero offense for himself( in the post or from outside). Mostly, I'm looking for a quicker and more fluid motion on his jumper:  turn around, pullup, face up, fade away, step back. He's been on the radar since his soph year of hs and he showed flashes of the shooting ability of players like Myles Turner and Karl Towns. I've also seen him shooting pretty well from 3 in practice and in drills but he has not been able to take those flashes ( and his shooting drills) and apply it to his game in a meaningful way. His shot is not broken at all and he has the ability, he just needs to make his jumper more fluid and quicker. Obviously, if he wants to create his own offense he will need the proper footwork and body awareness.
Here is a year old video that shows Ayton taking all the jumpers I mentioned. He shows flashes but in all the premiere games he has yet to show a polished offensive game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbjQ3688UhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S14-72ESLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO7B0ZvmLvk

Bamba intrigues me more; even freakier measurements and a very smart and hardworking kid, more so than Aston who's already no slouch in those departments

Bamba has a 7'9'' wingspan and a 9'6'' standing reach which is unheard of. Actually, I don't remember a decent player (projected 1st rounder) with this type of length....ever. It's that kind of length that can alter an entire game. He just committed to UTexas and it will be huge for him to get right into the weight program there ASAP.
But as far as one of them showing flashes of an offensive game, Ayton has him at this current point IMO. If you have any vid's that show flashes of Bamba's offensive game share them, I'd love to check that out. With kids this young nothing is a given and a player can get better almost as quick as it takes to go through a DD drive through. I added another video of that features Ayton's jumper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY9_bcBtQVc

[playdream]

Wow can't wait for us to draft this Bamba kid

[Somebody]

Check out D'Andre Ayton: 7ft and 6'11'' w/o shoes, 7'5.5'' wingspan, 9'5'' standing reach and 243lbs. In 2015 he recorded a no step vertical of 28.5'' and a max vertical of 34.5''.

He's going to Arizona next year and out of all the prospects, I'm going to have my eye on him. He would be a major player if he can show more polish and poise in the post. He has struggled offensively in most of the elite hs games this year and has effectively created zero offense for himself( in the post or from outside). Mostly, I'm looking for a quicker and more fluid motion on his jumper:  turn around, pullup, face up, fade away, step back. He's been on the radar since his soph year of hs and he showed flashes of the shooting ability of players like Myles Turner and Karl Towns. I've also seen him shooting pretty well from 3 in practice and in drills but he has not been able to take those flashes ( and his shooting drills) and apply it to his game in a meaningful way. His shot is not broken at all and he has the ability, he just needs to make his jumper more fluid and quicker. Obviously, if he wants to create his own offense he will need the proper footwork and body awareness.
Here is a year old video that shows Ayton taking all the jumpers I mentioned. He shows flashes but in all the premiere games he has yet to show a polished offensive game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbjQ3688UhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S14-72ESLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO7B0ZvmLvk

Bamba intrigues me more; even freakier measurements and a very smart and hardworking kid, more so than Aston who's already no slouch in those departments

Bamba has a 7'9'' wingspan and a 9'6'' standing reach which is unheard of. Actually, I don't remember a decent player (projected 1st rounder) with this type of length....ever. It's that kind of length that can alter an entire game. He just committed to UTexas and it will be huge for him to get right into the weight program there ASAP.
But as far as one of them showing flashes of an offensive game, Ayton has him at this current point IMO. If you have any vid's that show flashes of Bamba's offensive game share them, I'd love to check that out. With kids this young nothing is a given and a player can get better almost as quick as it takes to go through a DD drive through. I added another video of that features Ayton's jumper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY9_bcBtQVc

Bamba has better D though; he'll be making an immediate impact in boston if we are lucky enough to get him. His post skills are super raw but I'm fine with a mutombo type that can also hit the midrange with a possible three pointer.
https://youtu.be/NrA_RoFctfM it's very little but he had some nice highlights against Ayton

[TheSundanceKid]

Agree, but let's not forget about Zizic and possibly Yabusele.  Plus Smart and the Clippers and Grizzlies pickd.  Our future is bright.

LOL. i don't think Smart is in our core at all. He has not progressed the way we thought, even physically he still has yet to improve his first step and quickness while having a great chance at doing so by cutting down to 210lbs or less. Smart was in better shape at the 2014 combine than he is now and he still had the highest bf% out of any pg ever drafted in the lotto since they began testing in 2000. Smarts athletic testing was exceptional but he has yet to reduce his weight, even gaining weight, in the face of struggling with quickness and his first step. So Marcus Smart as he currently is physically gives me little hope that he can be the player many of us saw for him back in 2014-now.

With Smart it's going to come down to cost. He's a player every team wants but only up to a certain price. We have Rozier in the wings and obviously now have Fultz so we have leverage. Depending on what happens this summer I expect us to offer him an extension in the autumn to get him locked in at a lower rate. Anything up to $14m would be fantastic I think

[The One]

Yup...I like the way this could shake out.

Ballhandler - IT4 transitions to Markelle

Wing - Hayward (hopefully!) transitions to Jaylen

Big - Horford transitions to 2018 BKN pick (Bamba, Ayton, W. Carter, R. Williams, J. Jackson)


If all goes well, that's a decade of being a true contender.

[Tr1boy]

I want Ayton with the 2018 pick...   He is in the same realm as Oden, Embiid...ridiculous physical tools. But also can play

[hwangjini_1]

Just to add to the general Fultz-fest here. I just read an article by Chris Mannix. Mannix was told by one GM that if Fultz had come out last year, he would have been picked ahead of Simmons.

He also said: "He’s the type of player that you just simply can’t trade that pick, because if you trade it and even if you wind up with a Jimmy Butler or a Paul George, you have to kind of prepare yourself for the reality that Markelle Fultz is probably going to be kicking people’s asses for the next 10 to 15 years and being a perennial all-star. Obviously there’s no such thing as a sure thing in the draft, but he’s the closest thing to it.”

(attribution: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/05/18/mannix-markelle-fultz-celtics-nba-draft/)

[hwangjini_1]

Check out D'Andre Ayton: 7ft and 6'11'' w/o shoes, 7'5.5'' wingspan, 9'5'' standing reach and 243lbs. In 2015 he recorded a no step vertical of 28.5'' and a max vertical of 34.5''.
BTW  HE HAS NEVER LIFTED WEIGHTS!!!

He's going to Arizona next year and out of all the prospects, I'm going to have my eye on him. He would be a major player if he can show more polish and poise in the post. He has struggled offensively in most of the elite hs games this year and has effectively created zero offense for himself( in the post or from outside). Mostly, I'm looking for a quicker and more fluid motion on his jumper:  turn around, pullup, face up, fade away, step back. He's been on the radar since his soph year of hs and he showed flashes of the shooting ability of players like Myles Turner and Karl Towns. I've also seen him shooting pretty well from 3 in practice and in drills but he has not been able to take those flashes ( and his shooting drills) and apply it to his game in a meaningful way. His shot is not broken at all and he has the ability, he just needs to make his jumper more fluid and quicker. Obviously, if he wants to create his own offense he will need the proper footwork and body awareness.
Here are videos that show Ayton taking all the jumpers I mentioned. He shows flashes but in all the premiere games he has yet to show a polished offensive game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY9_bcBtQVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbjQ3688UhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S14-72ESLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO7B0ZvmLvk

And yet draftexpress currently has  him rated as the third pick in the draft. Next year will be interesting.

[knuckleballer]

Just to add to the general Fultz-fest here. I just read an article by Chris Mannix. Mannix was told by one GM that if Fultz had come out last year, he would have been picked ahead of Simmons.

He also said: "He’s the type of player that you just simply can’t trade that pick, because if you trade it and even if you wind up with a Jimmy Butler or a Paul George, you have to kind of prepare yourself for the reality that Markelle Fultz is probably going to be kicking people’s asses for the next 10 to 15 years and being a perennial all-star. Obviously there’s no such thing as a sure thing in the draft, but he’s the closest thing to it.”

(attribution: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/05/18/mannix-markelle-fultz-celtics-nba-draft/)

I think Fultz is going to be a star in just a couple of years.  Even if he doesn't reach those lofty expectations, he's still 8-10 years younger than the guys people are suggesting trading him for.  I'll take those 8-10 years.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Check out D'Andre Ayton: 7ft and 6'11'' w/o shoes, 7'5.5'' wingspan, 9'5'' standing reach and 243lbs. In 2015 he recorded a no step vertical of 28.5'' and a max vertical of 34.5''.

He's going to Arizona next year and out of all the prospects, I'm going to have my eye on him. He would be a major player if he can show more polish and poise in the post. He has struggled offensively in most of the elite hs games this year and has effectively created zero offense for himself( in the post or from outside). Mostly, I'm looking for a quicker and more fluid motion on his jumper:  turn around, pullup, face up, fade away, step back. He's been on the radar since his soph year of hs and he showed flashes of the shooting ability of players like Myles Turner and Karl Towns. I've also seen him shooting pretty well from 3 in practice and in drills but he has not been able to take those flashes ( and his shooting drills) and apply it to his game in a meaningful way. His shot is not broken at all and he has the ability, he just needs to make his jumper more fluid and quicker. Obviously, if he wants to create his own offense he will need the proper footwork and body awareness.
Here is a year old video that shows Ayton taking all the jumpers I mentioned. He shows flashes but in all the premiere games he has yet to show a polished offensive game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbjQ3688UhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S14-72ESLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO7B0ZvmLvk

Bamba intrigues me more; even freakier measurements and a very smart and hardworking kid, more so than Aston who's already no slouch in those departments

Bamba has a 7'9'' wingspan and a 9'6'' standing reach which is unheard of. Actually, I don't remember a decent player (projected 1st rounder) with this type of length....ever. It's that kind of length that can alter an entire game. He just committed to UTexas and it will be huge for him to get right into the weight program there ASAP.
But as far as one of them showing flashes of an offensive game, Ayton has him at this current point IMO. If you have any vid's that show flashes of Bamba's offensive game share them, I'd love to check that out. With kids this young nothing is a given and a player can get better almost as quick as it takes to go through a DD drive through. I added another video of that features Ayton's jumper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY9_bcBtQVc

Bamba has better D though; he'll be making an immediate impact in boston if we are lucky enough to get him. His post skills are super raw but I'm fine with a mutombo type that can also hit the midrange with a possible three pointer.
https://youtu.be/NrA_RoFctfM it's very little but he had some nice highlights against Ayton

I like both of them and their potential.
To make an immediate impact he will need to gain some weight because he's only 216lbs right now. Even Gobert was 240lbs when he was drafted in 2013.  Ayton is 250lbs right now, according to his college coach, and should be good off the bat defensively. I'm super excited to see both these guys in college though. I've always found college to give big men problems in one way or another. The court is smaller and the painted area as well as the 3 point line...so big men have to constantly watch out from losing the ball or help defense.

Ayton at least has shown flashes of a Turner like jumper. Those videos show some of his best shooting, but he has not done it in the big games...

[CelticsElite]

 The good thing about this new big 3 is that they'll  enter prime when Lebron and curry start winding down.  And they'll play together for years gaining valuable chemistry. Brown is untradeable now in my book. Watching him play this series certified this

[keevsnick]

For anybody who wants to get even more excited about Fultz, consider the fact that he is actually a couple of weeks younger than Bamba, one of the projected top 4 picks in NEXT years draft. And only two months older than Ayton/Porter. 

[mctyson]

If this what you believe then you should be all for trading away the starters and opening up playing time and gaining more assets to pair with them.  Because the best way for those guys to develop is to get a lot of playing time and to pair then with sufficient role players that they grow with and trust.

Honestly it is a good point.  This team has reached it's limit.  They can beat anyone besides Lebron's Cavs in the East.  What is LBJ's window?  If it is 3 years then we should trade everyone over 25 on the roster.