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Someone made this comment that our future big 3 needs to be the Brooklyn picks: brown, fultz and the 2018 pick. Makes 100% sense. It extends the window of contention and  We just need to Reload with free agents the best we can and only trade other existing players. But the nets are likely to be terrible next season netting us another young elite prospect

The 2018 draft is loaded with bigs so we're likely to get a game changer then. So we get a guard in fultz, a SF in brown, and a big in 2018. Perfect core.  Brown shows flashes of greatness and fultz is obviously going to be a beck of a player. 

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Someone made this comment that our future big 3 needs to be the Brooklyn picks: brown, fultz and the 2018 pick. Makes 100% sense. We need to Reload with free agents the best we can and only trade existing players

The 2018 draft is loaded with bigs so we're likely to get a game changer then. So we get a guard in fultz, a SF in brown, and a big in 2018. The perfect core

Can't imagine how the Nets fans will feel while watching those 3.

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Agree, but let's not forget about Zizic and possibly Yabusele.  Plus Smart and the Clippers and Grizzlies Picks. Our future is bright.
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I don't think there's any indication that Brown is capable of being part of a big three, and Fultz/BRK18 are pretty big question marks. If Brown manages to put up 15ppg next year then fine, Fultz I'm a little more bullish on but he needs to prove himself before we pencil him in as a savior. The BRK18 is a huge question mark considering how easy it is to pick a bust when you're choosing big men at the top of the draft.

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Agree, but let's not forget about Zizic and possibly Yabusele.  Plus Smart and the Clippers and Grizzlies pickd.  Our future is bright.
LOL. i don't think Smart is in our core at all. He has not progressed the way we thought, even physically he still has yet to improve his first step and quickness while having a great chance at doing so by cutting down to 210lbs or less. Smart was in better shape at the 2014 combine than he is now and he still had the highest bf% out of any pg ever drafted in the lotto since they began testing in 2000. Smarts athletic testing was exceptional but he has yet to reduce his weight, even gaining weight, in the face of struggling with quickness and his first step. So Marcus Smart as he currently is physically gives me little hope that he can be the player many of us saw for him back in 2014-now.

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Agree, but let's not forget about Zizic and possibly Yabusele.  Plus Smart and the Clippers and Grizzlies pickd.  Our future is bright.
LOL. i don't think Smart is in our core at all. He has not progressed the way we thought, even physically he still has yet to improve his first step and quickness while having a great chance at doing so by cutting down to 210lbs or less. Smart was in better shape at the 2014 combine than he is now and he still had the highest bf% out of any pg ever drafted in the lotto since they began testing in 2000. Smarts athletic testing was exceptional but he has yet to reduce his weight, even gaining weight, in the face of struggling with quickness and his first step. So Marcus Smart as he currently is physically gives me little hope that he can be the player many of us saw for him back in 2014-now.

This is a subject that is debated endlessly here.  He's a disappointing offensive player, but he makes so many plays that don't show up in a box score while bringing such a tough attitude and heart.  You don't like him, that's fine, to each his own.  I think he could be a valuable sixth man for a long time.

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Fultz, Hayward, Brown, Horford, and .......

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I don't think there's any indication that Brown is capable of being part of a big three, and Fultz/BRK18 are pretty big question marks. If Brown manages to put up 15ppg next year then fine, Fultz I'm a little more bullish on but he needs to prove himself before we pencil him in as a savior. The BRK18 is a huge question mark considering how easy it is to pick a bust when you're choosing big men at the top of the draft.
I honestly do not know what to say.

 What else do you want them to do? What other physical gifts and skill sets do you think they do not possess or lack in? IMO both Fultz and Brown will be getting around 30 minutes a game next year a piece. Fultz will take all the backup pg minutes and start/ or take the rest of the sg minutes. Brown will be taking a lot of minutes at SF and also minutes at SG. IMO, the speed Jaylen's game is progressing and how he has significantly improved the knocks on him when we drafted him: 1. struggles finishing at the rim, 3 point shooting, and defense); I think there is a possibility that he plays his way into the starting line-up. Especially, concider the age of both Fultz and Jaylen...they both should be gaining lean muscle and strength as they train through the 5 month offseason.

Re: Fultz is untradeable. Our future big 3: Brown, Fultz, 2018 nets pick
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I don't think there's any indication that Brown is capable of being part of a big three, and Fultz/BRK18 are pretty big question marks. If Brown manages to put up 15ppg next year then fine, Fultz I'm a little more bullish on but he needs to prove himself before we pencil him in as a savior. The BRK18 is a huge question mark considering how easy it is to pick a bust when you're choosing big men at the top of the draft.
I honestly do not know what to say.

 What else do you want them to do? What other physical gifts and skill sets do you think they do not possess or lack in? IMO both Fultz and Brown will be getting around 30 minutes a game next year a piece. Fultz will take all the backup pg minutes and start/ or take the rest of the sg minutes. Brown will be taking a lot of minutes at SF and also minutes at SG. IMO, the speed Jaylen's game is progressing and how he has significantly improved the knocks on him when we drafted him: 1. struggles finishing at the rim, 3 point shooting, and defense); I think there is a possibility that he plays his way into the starting line-up. Especially, concider the age of both Fultz and Jaylen...they both should be gaining lean muscle and strength as they train through the 5 month offseason.
Exactly

I mean we literally just saw jaylen freakin brown contest many of lebrons shots successfully forcing him or forcing him to pass.... And brown grabbed like 9 rebounds...In an eastern finals playoff game. If you told me last June this would occur I'd call them  crazy

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If this what you believe then you should be all for trading away the starters and opening up playing time and gaining more assets to pair with them.  Because the best way for those guys to develop is to get a lot of playing time and to pair then with sufficient role players that they grow with and trust.
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Re: Fultz is untradeable. Our future big 3: Brown, Fultz, 2018 nets pick
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It's extremely rare to build a winning team with just young draft picks.  So I would bet on it.

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Agree, but let's not forget about Zizic and possibly Yabusele.  Plus Smart and the Clippers and Grizzlies pickd.  Our future is bright.
LOL. i don't think Smart is in our core at all. He has not progressed the way we thought, even physically he still has yet to improve his first step and quickness while having a great chance at doing so by cutting down to 210lbs or less. Smart was in better shape at the 2014 combine than he is now and he still had the highest bf% out of any pg ever drafted in the lotto since they began testing in 2000. Smarts athletic testing was exceptional but he has yet to reduce his weight, even gaining weight, in the face of struggling with quickness and his first step. So Marcus Smart as he currently is physically gives me little hope that he can be the player many of us saw for him back in 2014-now.

This is a subject that is debated endlessly here.  He's a disappointing offensive player, but he makes so many plays that don't show up in a box score while bringing such a tough attitude and heart.  You don't like him, that's fine, to each his own.  I think he could be a valuable sixth man for a long time.
Your wrong. I do like Smart and it KILLS ME that he has not progressed. I agree with you on what he does but he could be doing so much more. I wrote an article after his rookie season because I still had such high hopes for him. Do you know his athletic testing and physical measurements? He's probably the most powerful PG drafted since 2000. I'll try to find the thread I wrote but basically it stated how well he did given that he has the highest BF% out of any pg drafted in the lotto since 2000 ( he also holds the record in bench press) which meant his speed, overall quickness, and first step should be improved if he cut down to 210. He already has the strength, strongest pg taken since 2000...literally, and a no step vertical of 33 and max of 36...which is unheard of with his bf%. His quickness tests were fine too(I'll have to look them all up again). My thinking is that even if he cut down to 210lbs or 205lbs he would still maintain almost all of that strength, which would still make him the strongest and most powerful pg in the league. But after 3 years of waiting he not only hasn't lost the baby fat but he actually has gained weight( I think he is 10-15lbs overweight right now from when he was a rookie). The worst is I know he is a competitor and works hard and has fire for intensity and is great for the culture and is a hard nosed player.....but he has yet to do the one logical thing(lose the weight) that would almost definitly improve his biggest knocks/weaknesses: slow first step, overall quickness.

With his contract coming up as a RFA next year I'd rather trade him now while he has value...he has value over Okafor( a guy I dream about this team getting). With the eventual addition of Fultz and the steady progression of Brown and the good contract of Rozier, I don't see Smart getting any more than 20 minutes a game next year. Fultz, Brown, and Rozier can hold down the 1,2, and 3 with IT/AB/Crowder or FA...and I still think Fultz will beat out AB for starting minutes.

Would you rather let Smart walk in a year? BC IMO we won't extend a guy as a backups backup at the 1/2/3( and Smart should not be playing 3 for most of the time, it's not ideal.

Okafor had a very sucky year. IMO it is part mental and partly that his current skillset and physical qualities do not match up well in PHI. Guys at Okafor's elite size usually take some time. He was 270lbs , and is naturally gifted with strength when he entered the league after 1 year at college . I'm not going to get in to every reason why I like him but the basics are that IMO he is grossly undervalued bc of his crap play and crap defense( especially his soph year). But IMO he has the ability to integrate a legit 15ft jumper/turn around/fade/ stepback into his game. His shot is fluid and quick and is not broken, yet he pauses almost everytime he has an open look for a shot 8ft and out. Teams know this and they pack it in because Okafor almost always dribble drives or dribbles into a post up. I believe he hesitates shooting and then neglects shooting bc something mentally, maybe he feels the best way to score is to post up bc that is what he is extremely good at...but teams know this. OKafor has a 7'6.5'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach and he was not measured within a year of the draft. Given our situation and my views on Okafor I would def def def trade Marcus Smart for him.

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Fultz, Hayward, Brown, Horford, and .......

IT4. Small ball lineup, could add bigs off the bench if need be. I'm not worried about Brad and Danny landing Hayward if they want him. Just don't send KO like they did in the Durant recruitment.

Have Fultz move in with IT for the first year. I see no reason why they can't co exist on the floor together. It will benefit Fultz to learn to become a better off ball player. I'm sure he'll have plenty of time to hog the ball.
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