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Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2017, 05:04:37 PM »

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Fultz can take pressure off of IT, giving him a couple more years on his body. Having a bigger PG helps, and teams have to respect IT and Fultz drives AND out side shots. IF they can add Hayward or Griffen, thats a tough team to guard.

Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2017, 05:13:19 PM »

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I know this might be slightly off-topic, but you never draft at #1 for need.  You always take the prospect that is the most coveted and/or highly rated.  It works out well more often that not as there are rarely any true busts at #1.

True, However there have been many #1 picks who were busts. I was just asking is Fultz really that good. If we do draft him would he be worth holding on to. I'm ecstatic about having the #1 pick. My only slight concern is are we really potentially getting a franchise player or is now the time to play major hard ball and use the #1 pick as leverage and get a bonafide star. If Trading Fultz could land us Giannis from Milwaukee or Butler would it be worth doing, or is Fultz really "that dude" who we can now say IT + Horford + Fultz = serious championship contender.

Sorry if I'm talking in circles. Perhaps when I get off work I need to take a serious look at Fultz and see what we're working with. I've only watched 2 vids looking at his strengths and weaknesses and i'm not saying he'll be a bust, But I need to check him out a bit more before I give him the can't lose "Kevin Durant, Iverson" tag.

Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2017, 05:16:47 PM »

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Could we go with a small ball lineup full time?



IT  Rozier
Bradley  Fultz
Hayward Smart
Crowder  Brown
Horford  Zizic

Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2017, 05:17:14 PM »

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Fultz can take pressure off of IT, giving him a couple more years on his body. Having a bigger PG helps, and teams have to respect IT and Fultz drives AND out side shots. IF they can add Hayward or Griffen, thats a tough team to guard.

 Can't believe I forgot about that. We do have enough cap room to go after Blake or Hayward. Blake is a bit too injury prone for me , I'd rather go after Hayward. Not truly convinced Blake will leave the Clips. If he did leave I have a sinking feeling OKC would be higher on his wishlist than the C's.

Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2017, 05:23:29 PM »

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Could we go with a small ball lineup full time?



IT  Rozier
Bradley  Fultz
Hayward Smart
Crowder  Brown
Horford  Zizic

Everything has a limit. Too small.

Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2017, 05:39:05 PM »

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I don't think people understand just how good Fultz is. He's got a chance to be a really special player. Take him at 1 and run. Trust that we've got a good enough coach that he can continue to maximize what's on the roster.
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Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2017, 05:47:51 PM »

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I don't think people understand just how good Fultz is. He's got a chance to be a really special player. Take him at 1 and run. Trust that we've got a good enough coach that he can continue to maximize what's on the roster.

I agree. I think even his floor is top flight NBA scorer. If he can defend and distribute at a high level he's an All Star. He looks to me to be a Pierce level scorer. He has all those PP old man moves and he can change speeds and he's like a 40% 3 point shooter, 6'5" tall with a 6'10" wing span means he probably can play 3 positions . This kid looks like the real deal to me.

Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2017, 06:06:55 PM »

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I know this might be slightly off-topic, but you never draft at #1 for need.  You always take the prospect that is the most coveted and/or highly rated.  It works out well more often that not as there are rarely any true busts at #1.

True, However there have been many #1 picks who were busts. I was just asking is Fultz really that good.

There really haven't been many busts at #1:

http://www.landofbasketball.com/draft/number_1_picks.htm

Looking at this list over the past 30 years, i would say there have been 6 disaster busts (Bennett, Oden, Bargnani, Brown, Olowokandi, Smith, Ellison), and a 6 other serviceable players that fell short of what you want at #1 (Martin, Brand, Robinson, Johnson, Coleman, Manning) but weren't disasters by any means.

Thats about a 33% chance of having one of those players.  The rest are multiple-time All-Stars who lead contenders or champions.

The one big caveat, no pun intended, is that almost all of the under-performers and disasters were bigs, PF or Cs.  There are barely any guards on this list and every team plays with 2 guards!  It is obvious why - guys who are 6'4" are everywhere on this planet but guys who are 7'0" are far more rare.

The busts at #1 are almost always a reach on size.  Historically, guards had to be a LOT better than Forwards or Cs to be in consideration as the best overall prospect.  Given the way the league is now that is not as necessary, and so we see PGs and SGs rated as the best prospects more often.  But the good thing about guards are that their best talents are easily projectable:  Can they shoot?  Are they athletic and long enough to defend?  Can they handle the ball under pressure?

Fultz by all measures hits these questions at an elite level.  I have concerns about his teams 9-22 record last year, but I have to believe that NBA scouts are unanimous on him for a reason.

Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2017, 07:19:38 PM »

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Yes. A one who can defend.

Bingo.
This is why I would never sign IT to a max contract.

Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2017, 07:22:34 PM »

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Could we go with a small ball lineup full time?



IT  Rozier
Bradley  Fultz
Hayward Smart
Crowder  Brown
Horford  Zizic

I prefer IT, Fultz, Brown, Crowder and Horford.

Now that is what I'm talking about.

Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2017, 07:23:43 PM »

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Doesn't matter what we need. At #1 you take BPA, and Markelle Fultz is BPA. And yes, he really is that good. He's the best guard prospect since Wall at least, maybe since Rose.
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Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2017, 07:24:26 PM »

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Doesn't matter what we need. At #1 you take BPA, and Markelle Fultz is BPA. And yes, he really is that good. He's the best guard prospect since Wall at least, maybe since Rose.
He's better than them
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Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2017, 07:29:19 PM »

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Doesn't matter what we need. At #1 you take BPA, and Markelle Fultz is BPA. And yes, he really is that good. He's the best guard prospect since Wall at least, maybe since Rose.
He's better than them

I think he might be a better prospect than Wall. I wasn't following the draft when Rose was a prospect, but from what I gather, he was regarded extremely highly. The point is that he's a truly elite prospect; notice how I haven't even mentioned someone as highly regarded as Kyrie.
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Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2017, 07:46:30 PM »

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The only position of need is center/PF

Ignoring positions though, we defintely need another guy who can create his own shot and get buckets with the second unit.

Re: Do we need a Point Guard?
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2017, 07:46:48 PM »

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Don't his knees issues scare folks.   I would not take Ball under any circumstance but Fultz missed a lot of games this year.   I want him medically cleared.