Would you trade Crowder to be able to sign a max + resign KO?

[BitterJim]

What about Zeller? Can we give a team a 2nd to take his contract. The player would have to have a team option or something.

Was resigning Zeller the undoing of our max FA possibility?

I thought Zeller signed a 1+1 deal with the second year being a team option? Was that Amir?

Zeller's contract for next season is nonguaranteed.  He can be used in a trade at the draft (despite rule changes for the new CBA, he's grandfathered in) or simply allowed to expire.  There's no need to give up assets to get rid of him

Amir and Jerebko had similar deals going into last summer

[JBcat]

I have a question.

When Kevin Durant signed with the Warriors he did so as a "1 +1" deal so he could opt out and sign a max contract this year.  What if we sold a max player on taking the 8 mil or so less on a "1+1" deal so he can opt out, and then sign a 5 year max deal after as our own FA next year, rather than a 4 year max now.  My guess is the player might even make out better financially.

That would definitely give us much more wiggle room.  Of course it would take the right personality to buy into that situation with us.  Hayward might be that guy though.

Does this sound like something that could really work?

[Future Celtics Owner]

What about Zeller? Can we give a team a 2nd to take his contract. The player would have to have a team option or something.

Was resigning Zeller the undoing of our max FA possibility?

I thought Zeller signed a 1+1 deal with the second year being a team option? Was that Amir?

I think that was Amir....hope it was Zeller. Realgm says Zeller is an UFA in 2018 but it usually has if the person has a TO or PO or even RFA.

I'm just saying if we could give some prospects/late pick/s for a player that we can waive 4 Zeller. Wouldn't that be much better?

[Future Celtics Owner]

What about Zeller? Can we give a team a 2nd to take his contract. The player would have to have a team option or something.

Was resigning Zeller the undoing of our max FA possibility?

I thought Zeller signed a 1+1 deal with the second year being a team option? Was that Amir?

Zeller's contract for next season is nonguaranteed.  He can be used in a trade at the draft (despite rule changes for the new CBA, he's grandfathered in) or simply allowed to expire.  There's no need to give up assets to get rid of him

Amir and Jerebko had similar deals going into last summer

Thanks

[saltlover]

I have a question.

When Kevin Durant signed with the Warriors he did so as a "1 +1" deal so he could opt out and sign a max contract this year.  What if we sold a max player on taking the 8 mil or so less on a "1+1" deal so he can opt out, and then sign a 5 year max deal after as our own FA next year, rather than a 4 year max now.  My guess is the player might even make out better financially.

That would definitely give us much more wiggle room.  Of course it would take the right personality to buy into that situation with us.  Hayward might be that guy though.

Does this sound like something that could really work?

You need to be with a team for three seasons to sign a 5-year max deal.  There are other problems with your idea that make it dissimilar to Durant's, but I want to highlight that one.

[JBcat]

I have a question.

When Kevin Durant signed with the Warriors he did so as a "1 +1" deal so he could opt out and sign a max contract this year.  What if we sold a max player on taking the 8 mil or so less on a "1+1" deal so he can opt out, and then sign a 5 year max deal after as our own FA next year, rather than a 4 year max now.  My guess is the player might even make out better financially.

That would definitely give us much more wiggle room.  Of course it would take the right personality to buy into that situation with us.  Hayward might be that guy though.

Does this sound like something that could really work?

You need to be with a team for three seasons to sign a 5-year max deal.  There are other problems with your idea that make it dissimilar to Durant's, but I want to highlight that one.

Ahh too bad. Thanks

[Darío SpanishFan]

I have the feeling that some Ainge's move will surprise EVERYBODY a lot. Don't ask me why.

I don't know if it will be trading the pick being nº1, trading IT, targetting a name we can't imagine, trading down... But I think he wants Hayward keeping Olynyk and as much core as he can, so we have to be veeeeery creative.

[Dannys Chipotle Guy]

I have the feeling that some Ainge's move will surprise EVERYBODY a lot. Don't ask me why.

I don't know if it will be trading the pick being nº1, trading IT, targetting a name we can't imagine, trading down... But I think he wants Hayward keeping Olynyk and as much core as he can, so we have to be veeeeery creative.

Yeah, I think we have to keep all avenues open.

I really dont see thomas or Horford getting moved, but no one else is safe.

[hodgy03038]

Yes I would definitely trade him if it also means getting Hayward with Jaylen as the backup.

[danglertx]

Yes.  Next.

[Darío SpanishFan]

I have the feeling that some Ainge's move will surprise EVERYBODY a lot. Don't ask me why.

I don't know if it will be trading the pick being nº1, trading IT, targetting a name we can't imagine, trading down... But I think he wants Hayward keeping Olynyk and as much core as he can, so we have to be veeeeery creative.

Yeah, I think we have to keep all avenues open.

I really dont see thomas or Horford getting moved, but no one else is safe.

I understand your point, but a little (big) difference. I don't rule out moving Thomas if we are lucky and can get Fultz, as long as IT is very exposed in defense in the ECF too.

And, with Ainge on board, I wouldn't rule out moving Horford if it didn't hurt our reputation and chances to get any major free agent in the future.

To answer the thread: It's very difficult. I've been quite disappointed with Crowder this offseason (maybe too high expectations?), but his contract is very valuable down the road to be a contender and he can be a superb SF/stretch 4 off the bench. I'm 50/50 with this.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Jae Crowder's contract is so cheap, it's really hard for me to trade him.

It has to be that one trade where we're getting the final piece, even then, I don't think I would, as he could just come off the bench and carry that cheap contract with him.

[Dannys Chipotle Guy]

I have the feeling that some Ainge's move will surprise EVERYBODY a lot. Don't ask me why.

I don't know if it will be trading the pick being nº1, trading IT, targetting a name we can't imagine, trading down... But I think he wants Hayward keeping Olynyk and as much core as he can, so we have to be veeeeery creative.

Yeah, I think we have to keep all avenues open.

I really dont see thomas or Horford getting moved, but no one else is safe.

I understand your point, but a little (big) difference. I don't rule out moving Thomas if we are lucky and can get Fultz, as long as IT is very exposed in defense in the ECF too.

And, with Ainge on board, I wouldn't rule out moving Horford if it didn't hurt our reputation and chances to get any major free agent in the future.

To answer the thread: It's very difficult. I've been quite disappointed with Crowder this offseason (maybe too high expectations?), but his contract is very valuable down the road to be a contender and he can be a superb SF/stretch 4 off the bench. I'm 50/50 with this.

sure, but against Cleveland we can hide him on JR Smith. I dont see him being as easily targeted as he was this past series.

If there was a series for him to be exposed it was this one, where Washington has Wall and Beal and their SF is 6'8" there was no where for Thomas to hide.

As for Horford, trading him absolutely would hurt our reputation with free agents. Its a total nonstarter.

If we had lost this past series in 5 or 6 games due to IT being a total liability, I could see him getting moved, but I just dont see it right now.

[jambr380]

We really need to hope that Rozier or Brown can take over Bradley's super-D / shooter role because (as SL described), he would be the one to go in this scenario, not Crowder.

Trading Crowder makes absolutely no sense given his contract.

[kozlodoev]

We really need to hope that Rozier or Brown can take over Bradley's super-D / shooter role because (as SL described), he would be the one to go in this scenario, not Crowder.

Trading Crowder makes absolutely no sense given his contract.

Rozier is likely too small to be counted on to match up with first-string SGs every night. If we let Bradley go, we're hoping that Brown or Fultz/Ball will be ready to start next year.