Julius Randle the guy we should have taken

[Big333223]

Now that you mention it, it has been almost two weeks since the last Giannis thread.

Guys, Ainge really messed up by not trading up AND selecting giannis😎

These are all good points. I'll be making similar points in my next thread, "Isaiah Thomas should be our 6th man."

[mr. dee]

He could not be a worse fit for Brad's system.  He doesn't play defense and he can't shoot.

The idea of trading Bradley for him is not a great one by any metric.

Wait a second. Is he a worse fit than KO because...KO can play defense and shoot? idk

Is Amir a good fit for this offense?

KO is a big goof, but he plays good positional defense and have a good awareness on the court.

[Eja117]

Perhaps the title should be.....with the benefit of hindsight....

Otherwise it's sorta revisionism

I think you could even go as far as to say we should have either drafted Randle or Portis the next year and not taken 2 guards in a row, when we needed big man help, but that's a tad different. It also ignores we were pretty high on Mickey at one point and nobody knew what would happen with Amir or KO or Jerebko. Plus we did just draft two bigs last year and stashed them so help is on the way. Plus we signed Horford.

[Dannys Chipotle Guy]

Perhaps the title should be.....with the benefit of hindsight....

Otherwise it's sorta revisionism

I think you could even go as far as to say we should have either drafted Randle or Portis the next year and not taken 2 guards in a row, when we needed big man help, but that's a tad different. It also ignores we were pretty high on Mickey at one point and nobody knew what would happen with Amir or KO or Jerebko. Plus we did just draft two bigs last year and stashed them so help is on the way. Plus we signed Horford.

also, while we did have Rondo and Bradley at the time of Smart's draft. We had also spent 3 first round picks on big men in the last 2 seasons.

Now Melo was a mega-bust and Sully didnt work out all that well either, but its not like we clearly needed a big man and more importantly you dont pick for need.

[Eja117]

Perhaps the title should be.....with the benefit of hindsight....

Otherwise it's sorta revisionism

I think you could even go as far as to say we should have either drafted Randle or Portis the next year and not taken 2 guards in a row, when we needed big man help, but that's a tad different. It also ignores we were pretty high on Mickey at one point and nobody knew what would happen with Amir or KO or Jerebko. Plus we did just draft two bigs last year and stashed them so help is on the way. Plus we signed Horford.

also, while we did have Rondo and Bradley at the time of Smart's draft. We had also spent 3 first round picks on big men in the last 2 seasons.

Now Melo was a mega-bust and Sully didnt work out all that well either, but its not like we clearly needed a big man and more importantly you dont pick for need.

Right. It sorta presumes Ainge could look into the future and realize KO wouldn't develop, Amir would decline, Sully would decline, Mickey wouldn't get better, Smart wouldn't be great, etc.

No crystal balls.

[Dannys Chipotle Guy]

He could not be a worse fit for Brad's system.  He doesn't play defense and he can't shoot.

The idea of trading Bradley for him is not a great one by any metric.

Wait a second. Is he a worse fit than KO because...KO can play defense and shoot? idk

Is Amir a good fit for this offense?

KO is a big goof, but he plays good positional defense and have a good awareness on the court.

I think its entirely possible,even likely that Randle would have learned to be at least a competent team defender. Probably the biggest difference between playing for the tanking lakers and the playoff Celtics is that you cant get on the floor in Boston if you arent consistently in the right spots on defense. Randle has never had to prioritize team defense in LA, like KO had to here.

[GratefulCs]

We need a young pf that can rebound sooo badly. We have a massive logjam at guard and if we get the number one pick we are going to select Fultz. This will only increase the logjam.
The celtics need a cheap young good pf to replace amir johnson.
 I say we give up avery bradley and picks for Randle.

We can start randle at the 4 next to horford.
 Thomas can take the point
Fultz can start at the 2
Hopefully we can sign Hayward and start him at the 3
Randle can start at the 4
Horford at the 5

BARF!!!!

ok, well the thing about that is *BARF*

[Eja117]

I could just imagine a scenario where Julius Randle is averaging like 8 and 8 for us on ok shooting and people are like.....BUT HE'S DOING IT FOR A #1 SEED! IT'S SO MUCH BETTER!

And Smart is on the Lakers putting up like 12 and 7 on horrible shooting and people are like "He'd never do well here. You have to be able to shoot in this offense."....anyway. Different universe.

[celticsclay]

Randle and Smart have each played 28.4 mpg in their careers.  Smart is averaging 9.3 p, 3.8 r, 3.7 a, 1.5 s, 0.3 b, 1.6 t, 2.7 f on 42% from 2, 29.1% from 3, and 76.2% from the line (2.6 attempts).  Randle is averaging 12.2 p, 9.4 r, 2.6 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.1 f on 46.9% from 2, 27.3% from 3, and 71.7 % from the line (3.6 attempts).  Smart is a much better defender which doesn't show up in the stats as much, but there is a pretty clear statistical advantage to Randle.

yea you are literally comparing one of the worst defensive players in the league to one of the best.  Putting these stats together is kind of like trying to argue Hollis Thompson has better stats than Bruce Bowen except for defense.

[Eja117]

Randle and Smart have each played 28.4 mpg in their careers.  Smart is averaging 9.3 p, 3.8 r, 3.7 a, 1.5 s, 0.3 b, 1.6 t, 2.7 f on 42% from 2, 29.1% from 3, and 76.2% from the line (2.6 attempts).  Randle is averaging 12.2 p, 9.4 r, 2.6 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.1 f on 46.9% from 2, 27.3% from 3, and 71.7 % from the line (3.6 attempts).  Smart is a much better defender which doesn't show up in the stats as much, but there is a pretty clear statistical advantage to Randle.

yea you are literally comparing one of the worst defensive players in the league to one of the best.  Putting these stats together is kind of like trying to argue Hollis Thompson has better stats than Bruce Bowen except for defense.

Yes, but we are also comparing one of the worst offensive players in the league to an above average one and offense wins games so here we are.

[GratefulCs]

just picture IT and randle on the floor together defensively...


eep

[mr. dee]

He could not be a worse fit for Brad's system.  He doesn't play defense and he can't shoot.

The idea of trading Bradley for him is not a great one by any metric.

Wait a second. Is he a worse fit than KO because...KO can play defense and shoot? idk

Is Amir a good fit for this offense?

KO is a big goof, but he plays good positional defense and have a good awareness on the court.

I think its entirely possible,even likely that Randle would have learned to be at least a competent team defender. Probably the biggest difference between playing for the tanking lakers and the playoff Celtics is that you cant get on the floor in Boston if you arent consistently in the right spots on defense. Randle has never had to prioritize team defense in LA, like KO had to here.

Randle have no interest playing for the Celtics from the start. Him refusing a second work out only shows he lacks commitment and I could only imagine what would happen if he's playing behind Sully and KO because he's not willing to improve his game. We like to talk about Smart not developing an outside shot but Randle hasn't really improved either.

[celticsclay]

Randle and Smart have each played 28.4 mpg in their careers.  Smart is averaging 9.3 p, 3.8 r, 3.7 a, 1.5 s, 0.3 b, 1.6 t, 2.7 f on 42% from 2, 29.1% from 3, and 76.2% from the line (2.6 attempts).  Randle is averaging 12.2 p, 9.4 r, 2.6 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.1 f on 46.9% from 2, 27.3% from 3, and 71.7 % from the line (3.6 attempts).  Smart is a much better defender which doesn't show up in the stats as much, but there is a pretty clear statistical advantage to Randle.

yea you are literally comparing one of the worst defensive players in the league to one of the best.  Putting these stats together is kind of like trying to argue Hollis Thompson has better stats than Bruce Bowen except for defense.

Yes, but we are also comparing one of the worst offensive players in the league to an above average one and offense wins games so here we are.

Randle really isn't good at basketball player. He hasn't proven he will be even a long term rotation player in the league yet. The Lakers were better with Nance and for a while even Thomas Robinson was outplaying Randle and it seemed like Walton had lost confidence in him. They were playing him a lot cause they were tanking and he helped them lose. Smart at least has proven he can have a long career as a role player for a solid team. It really isn't in a comparison and I have a hard time believing someone that actually watched him play would think it was even debatable.

[TheSundanceKid]

Yeeeeeeaaaahh...no

[fairweatherfan]

Randle and Smart have each played 28.4 mpg in their careers.  Smart is averaging 9.3 p, 3.8 r, 3.7 a, 1.5 s, 0.3 b, 1.6 t, 2.7 f on 42% from 2, 29.1% from 3, and 76.2% from the line (2.6 attempts).  Randle is averaging 12.2 p, 9.4 r, 2.6 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.1 f on 46.9% from 2, 27.3% from 3, and 71.7 % from the line (3.6 attempts).  Smart is a much better defender which doesn't show up in the stats as much, but there is a pretty clear statistical advantage to Randle.

yea you are literally comparing one of the worst defensive players in the league to one of the best.  Putting these stats together is kind of like trying to argue Hollis Thompson has better stats than Bruce Bowen except for defense.

The difference isn't that big either, the rebounding edge is there, but otherwise Randle just comes across as a guy who takes a few more shots a game. More turnovers is especially glaring as Smart handles the ball heavily.