What do you think the price is for Butler now?

[SparzWizard]

I'd give up Crowder in a heartbeat in a package for Butler.

Not worth giving up BKN '17 though.

[Androslav]

All replies are connected to our assets and what we think they are willing to accept, but Butlers true value is the highest return that Chicago can receive from all 29 teams. Right now we have no idea what those are. If Philly comes to the table with a strong offer, they can do better then us if they want to, then Butler's price raises. Our best competitive advantage is that we are pseudo contenders while still having room for improvement.
Honestly, now during playoff time, I love all of our guys and don't want to picture them in a red, or any other jersey.
The offseason is long and sometimes uneventful, enough to have these discussions during the dog days.

[Chris22]

I agree the Bulls would do Crowder + Smart + Nets pick.

The question is, should we?

Are you insane?

[obnoxiousmime]

I would wait to see if we can sign Hayward first before seriously looking at Butler or George. I don't think George and Butler are that much better than Hayward that it would be worth it making a deal when we may be able to sign Hayward without giving up assets. Also, if we get Hayward it would mean he's committed to staying. You cannot say the same for George or Butler if they come in a trade.

The second reason I'm wary of trying to make a deal for George or Butler is because they currently are on Eastern Conference teams. The Pacers and Bulls would definitely demand more from the Celtics than they would from a Western team.

Looking at the roster, if we are going to consider finances as being very important then you simply cannot trade Crowder as part of the deal. Smart, Thomas, and Bradley all have deals up after next season and unless we sign/acquire nobody this offseason it will be very expensive to keep all 3. Let's assume we keep Thomas at a max or close to max deal. Bradley will be at least in the 15 range and I'll just guess that Smart commands around 8-12 as a rough estimate. That is just too much money to be paying 3 guards as a general rule. Remember that Rozier is still signed for two more years after this season on a cheapo deal and has shown to be a decent backup.

So using that logic, it stands to reason any deal for Butler or George pretty much has to involve Smart and/or Bradley. Crowder is still signed for four years after this one on a super-low deal and as the Celtics move to become a real contender during that period, his contract will be invaluable because the team will desperately need cheap role players to surround their high-priced stars (Thomas, Horford, Player X?)

Put it this way, having a nice cheapo deal like Crowder's isn't worth as much on a rebuilding team like Indiana or Chicago's (if they deal George or Butler, those teams are definitely blowing it up) because those teams have no reason to save money. They're not going to be in salary cap trouble because they won't have any high-priced players on the roster anyway. So yeah, even if the Bulls or Pacers like Crowder, that will not be his primary value to a team that's trying to lose. His primary value is as an asset. A rebuilding team will not be able to win while Crowder is still in his peak anyway.

[ederson]

All replies are connected to our assets and what we think they are willing to accept, but Butlers true value is the highest return that Chicago can receive from all 29 teams.

That is not necessarily true. Although it should ...... front offices tend to do stupid things under pressure

Look at the Cousins trade.....

[Celtics4ever]

I think the price should be lower now, he did not win a series and they will be in transition.

[Somebody]

I'd give them Bradley, Rozier and two non Brooklyn first round picks with 3 second round picks. They get a guard with potential and a great veteran to either teach their young guys or be a good trade asset. In picks they'll get a late first and a late lottery pick (All signs point to that Memphis pick being a late lottery pick with how are they managing the team) as well as a bunch of seconds that they can take flyers on.

[hodgy03038]

I'd give them Bradley, Rozier and two non Brooklyn first round picks with 3 second round picks. They get a guard with potential and a great veteran to either teach their young guys or be a good trade asset. In picks they'll get a late first and a late lottery pick (All signs point to that Memphis pick being a late lottery pick with how are they managing the team) as well as a bunch of seconds that they can take flyers on.

I think that is way too much. I don't know if you remember but Bradley outplayed Butler in the previous series.

[jbpats]

Bradley (or Crowder), Zeller, 2017 Nets pick for Butler is a fair trade and honestly one we should consider if Ainge wants to sign IT to a max.

I finally switched sides and feel IT should get paid, and by us, but now I reverse my stance which for the entire season was if we end up with Fultz signing IT to a 5 year max is a mistake.
I still think having both is a mistake, you don't draft the next potential NBA superstar PG to have him ride the pine for the first 5 years of his career behind IT.

Sign IT to the max, build this team and play for now. I think we would have been the best team in the NBA if Durant came here seeing what we have been doing without him.
While Butler is not as good Durant, he has never had a supporting cast (or coaching) like he would have here.. he would be a BEAST in Boston and I think he would help us surpass an aging Cleveland team. He's also entering the prime of his career, I could only Imagine the greatness Stevens could get out of him.

[Geo123]

I'd give them Bradley, Rozier and two non Brooklyn first round picks with 3 second round picks. They get a guard with potential and a great veteran to either teach their young guys or be a good trade asset. In picks they'll get a late first and a late lottery pick (All signs point to that Memphis pick being a late lottery pick with how are they managing the team) as well as a bunch of seconds that they can take flyers on.

I think that is way too much. I don't know if you remember but Bradley outplayed Butler in the previous series.

I don't know if you remember but Butler outplayed him early in the series and then hurt his knee in game 3 or 4 and kept playing on it.  I like Bradley but he's not in Butler's league.  Butler is a top 20 player and multiple time All Star and Bradley is neither. 

[Surferdad]

Bradley (or Crowder), Zeller, 2017 Nets pick for Butler is a fair trade and honestly one we should consider if Ainge wants to sign IT to a max.

I finally switched sides and feel IT should get paid, and by us, but now I reverse my stance which for the entire season was if we end up with Fultz signing IT to a 5 year max is a mistake.
I still think having both is a mistake, you don't draft the next potential NBA superstar PG to have him ride the pine for the first 5 years of his career behind IT.

Sign IT to the max, build this team and play for now. I think we would have been the best team in the NBA if Durant came here seeing what we have been doing without him.
While Butler is not as good Durant, he has never had a supporting cast (or coaching) like he would have here.. he would be a BEAST in Boston and I think he would help us surpass and aging Cleveland team. He's also entering the prime of his career, I could only Imagine the greatness Stevens could get out of him.

This puts the right perspective on the entire season.  It is what was supposed to happen, and nearly did.

[cousytoheinsohn]

A lot lower.

[jbpats]

I'd give them Bradley, Rozier and two non Brooklyn first round picks with 3 second round picks. They get a guard with potential and a great veteran to either teach their young guys or be a good trade asset. In picks they'll get a late first and a late lottery pick (All signs point to that Memphis pick being a late lottery pick with how are they managing the team) as well as a bunch of seconds that they can take flyers on.

I think that is way too much. I don't know if you remember but Bradley outplayed Butler in the previous series.

I don't know if you remember but Butler outplayed him early in the series and then hurt his knee in game 3 or 4 and kept playing on it.  I like Bradley but he's not in Butler's league.  Butler is a top 20 player and multiple time All Star and Bradley is neither.

Agreed here, I love Bradley but he is not on Butlers level, but not comparable on the offensive end.
You also have to keep in mind that Bradley is going to command close to a $18-20m contract, would you rather have Bradley or Butler for the same money? It's a no brainer.

[hpantazo]

Bradley (or Crowder), Zeller, 2017 Nets pick for Butler is a fair trade and honestly one we should consider if Ainge wants to sign IT to a max.

I finally switched sides and feel IT should get paid, and by us, but now I reverse my stance which for the entire season was if we end up with Fultz signing IT to a 5 year max is a mistake.
I still think having both is a mistake, you don't draft the next potential NBA superstar PG to have him ride the pine for the first 5 years of his career behind IT.

Sign IT to the max, build this team and play for now. I think we would have been the best team in the NBA if Durant came here seeing what we have been doing without him.
While Butler is not as good Durant, he has never had a supporting cast (or coaching) like he would have here.. he would be a BEAST in Boston and I think he would help us surpass an aging Cleveland team. He's also entering the prime of his career, I could only Imagine the greatness Stevens could get out of him.

Regarding Fultz, I think your too hung up on the idea of traditional position roles which Ainge and Stevens don't care about. Fultz is 6'4, same height as Bradley. You could easily play IT and Fultz together, with Fultz allowing IT to play off the ball more and be even more of a scorer. Stevens wants positionless basketball, this would work well.

[Moranis]

More than Ainge will pay