8-second violations

[PAOBoston]

They don't call it. I was watching the Spurs-Rockets game and Harden took legit 10 seconds to bring the ball up. Nothing. I was bewildered.

[timpiker]

I've noticed this several times and the refs have missed them

[BE-Celtic]

When you see 16 on the clock you still have a margin I think, cause the refs rarely call it. I've seen Kawhi Leonard in yesterday's game clearly violating the rule (15 sec on the clock) and they didn't care.

And if you ask me, it's not such a big deal. you've got 24 seconds to shoot, and basically you've got to attack, if you want to lose time, it's your problem.

Now about IT, I don't mind seeing that because I don't like rushed shots and I think it happends too often. Also, I think he's slow only when we are ahead and that makes sense.

So... meh. refs don't care anyway as long as you don't take 10 seconds to cross court.

[Redz]

When you see 16 on the clock you still have a margin I think, cause the refs rarely call it. I've seen Kawhi Leonard in yesterday's game clearly violating the rule (15 sec on the clock) and they didn't care.

And if you ask me, it's not such a big deal. you've got 24 seconds to shoot, and basically you've got to attack, if you want to lose time, it's your problem.

Now about IT, I don't mind seeing that because I don't like rushed shots and I think it happends too often. Also, I think he's slow only when we are ahead and that makes sense.

So... meh. refs don't care anyway as long as you don't take 10 seconds to cross court.

It seems like it's probably a lot like the way they call 3 second violations.  If you are making an effort to clear the area at the time of the would be infraction they'll let it slide.  For instance, if someone were to pick up the dribble or get stopped in their tracks by a defender behind half court at 8 seconds they'd likely get called. 

[saltlover]

It matters if you're being defended or not.  If you're just slowly walking it up the court and no one's challenging you, then the refs aren't going to keep an eye on the clock.  If you're under pressure to get it over the line, then they're much more likely to call it.

[action781]

It matters if you're being defended or not.  If you're just slowly walking it up the court and no one's challenging you, then the refs aren't going to keep an eye on the clock.  If you're under pressure to get it over the line, then they're much more likely to call it.

I think Sam Cassell would have words for you regarding this

[saltlover]

It matters if you're being defended or not.  If you're just slowly walking it up the court and no one's challenging you, then the refs aren't going to keep an eye on the clock.  If you're under pressure to get it over the line, then they're much more likely to call it.

I think Sam Cassell would have words for you regarding this

Don't quite get this reference.

[fairweatherfan]

It's come up a few times but just to clear up why 16 is not a violation but 15 is:

The shot clock starts at 24.0 seconds and always rounds down when showing seconds. So it immediately flips to showing 23 at 23.9 seconds, 22 at 22.9, etc.

So if it shows 16 it's been between 7.1 and 8 seconds. You can use up to 8 full seconds so none of those times are violations. But the instant it flips to 15 the clock is at 15.9 it's been more than 8 seconds and should be whistled.

The league made this change to the shot clock several years back and it's a smart move, but fans are still catching up.

[Drucci]

It matters if you're being defended or not.  If you're just slowly walking it up the court and no one's challenging you, then the refs aren't going to keep an eye on the clock.  If you're under pressure to get it over the line, then they're much more likely to call it.

I think Sam Cassell would have words for you regarding this

Don't quite get this reference.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289688&page=2

[action781]

It's come up a few times but just to clear up why 16 is not a violation but 15 is:

The shot clock starts at 24.0 seconds and always rounds down when showing seconds. So it immediately flips to showing 23 at 23.9 seconds, 22 at 22.9, etc.

So if it shows 16 it's been between 7.1 and 8 seconds. You can use up to 8 full seconds so none of those times are violations. But the instant it flips to 15 the clock is at 15.9 it's been more than 8 seconds and should be whistled.

The league made this change to the shot clock several years back and it's a smart move, but fans are still catching up.

Interesting.  That change happening a few years back would explain why Sam Cassell's famous call came when the shot clock read 16 which may be the cause of some of the present confusion.

[fairweatherfan]

It's come up a few times but just to clear up why 16 is not a violation but 15 is:

The shot clock starts at 24.0 seconds and always rounds down when showing seconds. So it immediately flips to showing 23 at 23.9 seconds, 22 at 22.9, etc.

So if it shows 16 it's been between 7.1 and 8 seconds. You can use up to 8 full seconds so none of those times are violations. But the instant it flips to 15 the clock is at 15.9 it's been more than 8 seconds and should be whistled.

The league made this change to the shot clock several years back and it's a smart move, but fans are still catching up.

Interesting.  That change happening a few years back would explain why Sam Cassell's famous call came when the shot clock read 16 which may be the cause of some of the present confusion.

Yeah the clock used to show 24 until a full second had passed. Now I think it literally never shows 24.

They changed it partly because the instant it changed to 16 was exactly 8 seconds in, which is legal by the rules. So this made it an easy yes or no - 16 is always legal, 15 always illegal.

[kozlodoev]

It's come up a few times but just to clear up why 16 is not a violation but 15 is:

The shot clock starts at 24.0 seconds and always rounds down when showing seconds. So it immediately flips to showing 23 at 23.9 seconds, 22 at 22.9, etc.

So if it shows 16 it's been between 7.1 and 8 seconds. You can use up to 8 full seconds so none of those times are violations. But the instant it flips to 15 the clock is at 15.9 it's been more than 8 seconds and should be whistled.

The league made this change to the shot clock several years back and it's a smart move, but fans are still catching up.

Interesting.  That change happening a few years back would explain why Sam Cassell's famous call came when the shot clock read 16 which may be the cause of some of the present confusion.

Yeah the clock used to show 24 until a full second had passed. Now I think it literally never shows 24.

They changed it partly because the instant it changed to 16 was exactly 8 seconds in, which is legal by the rules. So this made it an easy yes or no - 16 is always legal, 15 always illegal.

Correct. I vaguely remember this became necessary when they decided to show tenths of a second on the shot clock.

[fantankerous]

It's come up a few times but just to clear up why 16 is not a violation but 15 is:

The shot clock starts at 24.0 seconds and always rounds down when showing seconds. So it immediately flips to showing 23 at 23.9 seconds, 22 at 22.9, etc.

So if it shows 16 it's been between 7.1 and 8 seconds. You can use up to 8 full seconds so none of those times are violations. But the instant it flips to 15 the clock is at 15.9 it's been more than 8 seconds and should be whistled.

The league made this change to the shot clock several years back and it's a smart move, but fans are still catching up.

Interesting.  That change happening a few years back would explain why Sam Cassell's famous call came when the shot clock read 16 which may be the cause of some of the present confusion.

Yeah the clock used to show 24 until a full second had passed. Now I think it literally never shows 24.

They changed it partly because the instant it changed to 16 was exactly 8 seconds in, which is legal by the rules. So this made it an easy yes or no - 16 is always legal, 15 always illegal.

TP.  Thanks, this was helpful.

[No Nickname]

This and IT's free throw violations are making me nervous.  He keeps stepping over the line before the ball has even gotten to the rim.  It's not even entering the vertical cylinder sometimes before his foot steps across the line.

A good ref will alert him to that and tell him that he'll call it the next time.  If they call it in the 4th quarter for the first time, boy that'll ruffle some feathers.

[action781]

It's come up a few times but just to clear up why 16 is not a violation but 15 is:

The shot clock starts at 24.0 seconds and always rounds down when showing seconds. So it immediately flips to showing 23 at 23.9 seconds, 22 at 22.9, etc.

So if it shows 16 it's been between 7.1 and 8 seconds. You can use up to 8 full seconds so none of those times are violations. But the instant it flips to 15 the clock is at 15.9 it's been more than 8 seconds and should be whistled.

The league made this change to the shot clock several years back and it's a smart move, but fans are still catching up.

Interesting.  That change happening a few years back would explain why Sam Cassell's famous call came when the shot clock read 16 which may be the cause of some of the present confusion.

Yeah the clock used to show 24 until a full second had passed. Now I think it literally never shows 24.

They changed it partly because the instant it changed to 16 was exactly 8 seconds in, which is legal by the rules. So this made it an easy yes or no - 16 is always legal, 15 always illegal.

Correct. I vaguely remember this became necessary when they decided to show tenths of a second on the shot clock.

Right, back when (really not that long ago) with 1 second left teams never knew if they had 1.0 or 0.1 seconds to get the shot off.  Ahh, that was fun.