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Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #120 on: May 03, 2017, 12:21:55 AM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.

KGLL you were saying??

Rozier ahead of Portis looks like the right pick

Portis has ways to go...especially his upper body needs work



 Oh please TB. How's Mickey doing?

 What you didn't realize is it's my reverse smack talk theory. If I am genuinely frustrated by a player and talk bad about him they almost always respond.

 So your welcome. I lit a fire under Terry and it worked. The awesome part is next year will be his third and that is generally the break out year.

If we get the #1 pick you take Fultz and figure it out. Other than that kinda hoping we get a 6'8" player like Jackson or Tatum.

 I changed the title just for you TB, but if Rozier sucks it up next series its all your fault Lol.

At 19 years of age he's already has an extremely versatile skill set, and yet it really feels like he's only just scratched the surface.  I'll be very surprised if he doesn't develop into an NBA All-Star sooner rather than later. 

Agreed, officially joined the Tatum train. 
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Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #121 on: May 03, 2017, 01:04:02 AM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.

Randle wont start for us. He wont play much for the celtics. It has been shown time and time again that players who dont play d dont get minutes with stevens.

LOL @ Jared Sullinger starting 166 games over three seasons under Brad Stevens...

I agree that Randle doesnt look very good, but I can guarantee you that he would play if he were in Boston, for the same reason that Sullinger played when he was here.  We need rebounding desperately, and for all his flaws Randle is a very good rebounder.

As for the Rozier vs Portis argument, Rozier is at least on par with Portis right now, and hehas greater upside.  I agree with you on that.

LOL you clearly havent been watching if you think Sullinger has been as bad as Randle. Sullinger was one of our best +/- guys esp early on, he had good defensive numbers  prior to his last season. Sullinger is a better passer as well. Stop smoking crimson!

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #122 on: May 03, 2017, 02:07:00 AM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.

Randle wont start for us. He wont play much for the celtics. It has been shown time and time again that players who dont play d dont get minutes with stevens.

LOL @ Jared Sullinger starting 166 games over three seasons under Brad Stevens...

I agree that Randle doesnt look very good, but I can guarantee you that he would play if he were in Boston, for the same reason that Sullinger played when he was here.  We need rebounding desperately, and for all his flaws Randle is a very good rebounder.

As for the Rozier vs Portis argument, Rozier is at least on par with Portis right now, and hehas greater upside.  I agree with you on that.

LOL you clearly havent been watching if you think Sullinger has been as bad as Randle. Sullinger was one of our best +/- guys esp early on, he had good defensive numbers  prior to his last season. Sullinger is a better passer as well. Stop smoking crimson!
Sullinger wasnt a good defender, but he was a reasonably intelligent one. Randle is a complete idiot out there.

I think a decent amount of that can be attributed to playing in LA where he can afford to be clueless on D and they will still play him. In Boston he would have been forced to really focus on his defense and it likely would be much better.

Re: Rozier over Portis, A Magnificent decision Lol.
« Reply #123 on: May 03, 2017, 06:54:38 AM »

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Rozier draft with the clutch shooting... Everywhere on the defensive end

Re: Rozier over Portis, A Magnificent decision Lol.
« Reply #124 on: May 03, 2017, 07:08:46 AM »

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Rozier draft with the clutch shooting... Everywhere on the defensive end
He steps up when it matters. I am proud he is a Celtic for sure.
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Re: Rozier over Portis, A Magnificent decision Lol.
« Reply #125 on: May 03, 2017, 08:32:05 AM »

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Rozier had a good game. By now Portis probably would have had a good game in the playoffs.

Re: Rozier over Portis, A Magnificent decision Lol.
« Reply #126 on: May 03, 2017, 08:37:04 AM »

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Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.

hahaha

Re: Rozier over Portis, A Magnificent decision Lol.
« Reply #127 on: May 03, 2017, 08:41:32 AM »

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Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #128 on: May 03, 2017, 08:44:51 AM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.

KGLL you were saying??

Rozier ahead of Portis looks like the right pick

Portis has ways to go...especially his upper body needs work



 Oh please TB. How's Mickey doing?

 What you didn't realize is it's my reverse smack talk theory. If I am genuinely frustrated by a player and talk bad about him they almost always respond.

 So your welcome. I lit a fire under Terry and it worked. The awesome part is next year will be his third and that is generally the break out year.

If we get the #1 pick you take Fultz and figure it out. Other than that kinda hoping we get a 6'8" player like Jackson or Tatum.

 I changed the title just for you TB, but if Rozier sucks it up next series its all your fault Lol.

At 19 years of age he's already has an extremely versatile skill set, and yet it really feels like he's only just scratched the surface.  I'll be very surprised if he doesn't develop into an NBA All-Star sooner rather than later. 

Agreed, officially joined the Tatum train.
Still on the Fultz train lol
Jaylen Brown for All-NBA

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #129 on: May 03, 2017, 09:14:55 AM »

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Rozier is awful. I don't know why people keep giving him a pass on here.  That said Bobby Portis hasn't been very good either.

This is a good one in this classic thread. Especially when you consider how Moranis loves to overrate Philly players and thinks McConnell is a stud.

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #130 on: May 03, 2017, 09:25:04 AM »

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Rozier is awful. I don't know why people keep giving him a pass on here.  That said Bobby Portis hasn't been very good either.

This is a good one in this classic thread. Especially when you consider how Moranis loves to overrate Philly players and thinks McConnell is a stud.

Well I admit I wasn't happy when we passed on trading Rozier for Noel/Okafor. 

Time to give credit where credit is due.   Danny and Brad are MUCH better talent scouts than most think.  IT, Jae, Terry -- all players that play well above what their pre-Celtics reputations. 

Glad we stuck with Terry and even more pleased to watch a pro team that still believes in coaching and developing players.   

Re: Rozier over Portis, A Magnificent decision Lol.
« Reply #131 on: May 03, 2017, 10:14:35 AM »

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I was hoping for a Rozier thread. Having watched him play these last two seasons, I was assuming he'd be a great "trade piece" for Ainge....complete with "upside." Having watched him play the second half of this season? I wouldn't say "yawn" but he wasn't getting out much.

Thus, his playoff run has been a lot of fun to watch. Stevens keeps him tied up on the bench then unleashes him on the opposing back court. "Hey? Glad to see Bradley sitting down? You gonna get a face full of Terry Rozier now."

He reminds me of early Avery Bradley subbing in for Ray. "Just go nuts on defense...you're not an offensive threat." Rozier has thrown in some exciting offense this April and May and it has turned our bench into one of the better in the league.

KO--Rozier--Smart played for 75 minutes last night and I have to give them credit along with IT's boffo point job on the dreaded wiz. Washington was toast with 5 minutes to go. They, like the Bulls last week, had been just plain run ragged by the Celtics rotations.

Washington bench--64 minutes
Celtics bench--97 minutes
Wall/Beal--94 minutes

To be honest, when it went into OT last night, I was on oxygen, but, I knew they had these guys. Wall and Beal were used up.

Thus, if it hasn't already been done, would someone please post a new name for Rozier?

"National TV Terry"
"Playoffs Rozier"...or whatever.

The difference between regular season Rozier and the player we have watched the last 6 games deserves some kind sumpin'.

 

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« Reply #132 on: May 03, 2017, 10:26:49 AM »

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Rozier leads the playoffs with a +94 plus-minus rating, and has not committed a turnover in 128 minutes.  The kid can play, and has stepped up sharply in the playoffs. Maybe Danny wasn't so stupid for not giving him up for Ibaka.


EDIT: I generally don't like callouts, especially because I've never had a strong opinion on Rozier, but there are some classic CoachBo posts on the first page.

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #133 on: May 03, 2017, 10:32:20 AM »

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I wonder who's been saying that on this board for two years .

Hmmm...

This was also very predictable for two years... LOLd.

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #134 on: May 03, 2017, 11:16:23 AM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.

Randle wont start for us. He wont play much for the celtics. It has been shown time and time again that players who dont play d dont get minutes with stevens.

LOL @ Jared Sullinger starting 166 games over three seasons under Brad Stevens...

I agree that Randle doesnt look very good, but I can guarantee you that he would play if he were in Boston, for the same reason that Sullinger played when he was here.  We need rebounding desperately, and for all his flaws Randle is a very good rebounder.

As for the Rozier vs Portis argument, Rozier is at least on par with Portis right now, and hehas greater upside.  I agree with you on that.

LOL you clearly havent been watching if you think Sullinger has been as bad as Randle. Sullinger was one of our best +/- guys esp early on, he had good defensive numbers  prior to his last season. Sullinger is a better passer as well. Stop smoking crimson!

* Kevin Love has had a very good defensive +/- for 5 or 6 years running now.  His defence is very well known to be mediocre at best.

* Amir Johnson has had among the highest net +/- ratings on our team, yet it's clear that when he's in the game we are struggling during these playoffs.

* David Lee, in his season with is, had a neutral defensive +/- despite people here constantly complaining about how bad his defence was.

* Avery Bradley has a negative defensive +/- and has made two all-defensive teams. 

The +/- stats are nice, but they aren't everything.

Last year against Atlanta, Jared Sullinger was literally the only player on our roster that Al Horford was able to score on consistently in the paint.  He couldn't score on Jerebko, couldn't score on Olynyk, couldn't score on Amir - but as soon as Sully was on him, he was dropping buckets left, right and center.

Sully showed occasional flashes of quality defence.  He had good defensive IQ, and when he was motivated and/or had energy he was capable of playing good defence.  But his motivation went up and down like pogo stick, and his defence varied from very good in some stretches, to absolutely hideous in others.

His defence also suffered from his conditioning issues.  When he first got on the court he tended to defend pretty well.  Once he'd been out there for 5 or 6 minutes straight, his D would start dropping off quite rapidly and he became a major liability.

In one-on-one situations, his only real strength was when he was matched up against big, strong, physical players who have average mobility.  Against those guys he used his body weight to push them around.  Guys who were singificantly quicker or longer tended to dominate him with ease.