Danny Ainge messed up

[moiso]

i suck at titles, but i don't think my post was that bad

It wasn't a bad post.  Your point is correct that we could have made a run if we added Paul or Jimmy to our team.  But the title was bad as you say, and as others have pointed out you aren't considering what we would have given up.

[celtics2030]

i suck at titles, but i don't think my post was that bad

It wasn't a bad post.  Your point is correct that we could have made a run if we added Paul or Jimmy to our team.  But the title was bad as you say, and as others have pointed out you aren't considering what we would have given up.

I am considering that, who knows what we might give up, or who might end up getting in the draft, who the hell knows? And will he be a piece?

honestly, somebody has to go , Smart, Jaylen, somebody is leaving, and people are pointing to Bradley as the choice, but this is going to be a tough summer for one of these guys.

Too many players, too much money to be handing out soon as well, especially if a guy we draft (which is one big reason why people dont want the star player now) is a future all star.

I just feel that Ainge might be kinda thinking, man we have a chance this year.

[aingeforthree]

obviously take this with a grain of salt. Who the hell am I?

But im just thinking, the Cavs look terrible, we could have had anybody we wanted

With Durant ailing and Warriors not looking as good, we could have made a great run this year.

Now on the other hand Ainge can make a good pick up in the off season and we will look good for years anyways and cleveland looks like they are not going to get any better

i just feel like if we had paul or jimmy, this team would be a favorite vs the cavs'


not saying we still wont give the Cavs a good fight and potentially win out

Who in hells bells is giving up 3 of these 4 (Smart, Brown, Crowder, Bradley) plus the Brooklyn pick for anybody not named LeBron or Anthony Davis ?

Ainge is smart, patient. Nobody better. He's keeping the pick & drafting another stud, signing Hayward, and dumping the 18' Brooklyn pick plus Crowder for another all star.

[mr. dee]

i suck at titles, but i don't think my post was that bad

It wasn't a bad post.  Your point is correct that we could have made a run if we added Paul or Jimmy to our team.  But the title was bad as you say, and as others have pointed out you aren't considering what we would have given up.

I am considering that, who knows what we might give up, or who might end up getting in the draft, who the hell knows? And will he be a piece?

honestly, somebody has to go , Smart, Jaylen, somebody is leaving, and people are pointing to Bradley as the choice, but this is going to be a tough summer for one of these guys.

Too many players, too much money to be handing out soon as well, especially if a guy we draft (which is one big reason why people dont want the star player now) is a future all star.

I just feel that Ainge might be kinda thinking, man we have a chance this year.

Are you a clairvoryant or something?

[makaveli]

i suck at titles, but i don't think my post was that bad

Its an interesting topic.

I myself have been thinking, if we lose in say 7 games to Cleveland,s or does it shine a light does it validate Ainge for sticking with his guy on Ainge letting an opporunity to pursue a title pass by.

I mean not making a move at the deadline was 1 of 3 things.

1. We are more than one piece away aka I dont believe in this core
2. We dont want a 3 year window of decent chances at a title. We want a dynasty. aka basketball hubris
3. We wanted to add a guy like Butler or Goerge but prices were too ridiculous.

hopefully it was #3.

our best chances of winning a title are with this team this year. there is no way that we gave up 2-3 8man rotation guys and a pick(and that was the price to pay for a superstar) and that we would have kept the chemistry.
look at toronto, everyone was heads over heels when they got ibaka and what did that get them.
right now we have a legit chance of making the finals, competing, and the best part is that we get to pick 1-3 next summer.
i guess some people can't deal with the fact that we have overachieved for the last 3 years, and everyone is in the win now mode, when in fact, that mode kicks in next year IMHO.

[Sixth Man]

i suck at titles, but i don't think my post was that bad

Of course you don't, or you presumably wouldn't have embarrassed yourself so. 

[Ogaju]

Neither Paul nor Butler move the needle that much. Boogie Cousins, well that is another matter.

The Pelicans are a .500 team with Cousins. Did he move the needle much for them?

Pelicans are in the NBA, why?

[Ilikesports17]

i suck at titles, but i don't think my post was that bad

Its an interesting topic.

I myself have been thinking, if we lose in say 7 games to Cleveland,s or does it shine a light does it validate Ainge for sticking with his guy on Ainge letting an opporunity to pursue a title pass by.

I mean not making a move at the deadline was 1 of 3 things.

1. We are more than one piece away aka I dont believe in this core
2. We dont want a 3 year window of decent chances at a title. We want a dynasty. aka basketball hubris
3. We wanted to add a guy like Butler or Goerge but prices were too ridiculous.

hopefully it was #3.

our best chances of winning a title are with this team this year. there is no way that we gave up 2-3 8man rotation guys and a pick(and that was the price to pay for a superstar) and that we would have kept the chemistry.
look at toronto, everyone was heads over heels when they got ibaka and what did that get them.
right now we have a legit chance of making the finals, competing, and the best part is that we get to pick 1-3 next summer.
i guess some people can't deal with the fact that we have overachieved for the last 3 years, and everyone is in the win now mode, when in fact, that mode kicks in next year IMHO.

Toronto's addition of Ibaka has been terrific for them? what are you talking about?

Toronto's success despite losing Lowry can largely be attributed to Ibaka's immediate acclimation and success.

[Androslav]

obviously take this with a grain of salt. Who the hell am I?...

It is only salt that exists here. Sorry, but a fan that has a need to, without any data, "prove" that his decision making is better than DA's is plain wrong. Even more so, cause the situation hasn't played out itself yet, as we can still win the title this year. This topic is purely speculative, without any data at all. I don't understand what are you trying to accomplish.
Sorry if I sound harsh, but it gets on my nerve reading so many fans posts that are trying to feed their egos, with "brilliant" solutions instead of simply cheering for the team they apparently love. Newsflash, the trade deadline has passed, focus on the present (the playoffs, best part of the year) and not the past. I am not putting you in that fan category, but I have noticed that inflation of IMO anti-fans and it is against my liking.

[nickagneta]

i suck at titles, but i don't think my post was that bad

Its an interesting topic.

I myself have been thinking, if we lose in say 7 games to Cleveland,s or does it shine a light does it validate Ainge for sticking with his guy on Ainge letting an opporunity to pursue a title pass by.

I mean not making a move at the deadline was 1 of 3 things.

1. We are more than one piece away aka I dont believe in this core
2. We dont want a 3 year window of decent chances at a title. We want a dynasty. aka basketball hubris
3. We wanted to add a guy like Butler or Goerge but prices were too ridiculous.

hopefully it was #3.

our best chances of winning a title are with this team this year. there is no way that we gave up 2-3 8man rotation guys and a pick(and that was the price to pay for a superstar) and that we would have kept the chemistry.
look at toronto, everyone was heads over heels when they got ibaka and what did that get them.
right now we have a legit chance of making the finals, competing, and the best part is that we get to pick 1-3 next summer.
i guess some people can't deal with the fact that we have overachieved for the last 3 years, and everyone is in the win now mode, when in fact, that mode kicks in next year IMHO.

Toronto's addition of Ibaka has been terrific for them? what are you talking about?

Toronto's success despite losing Lowry can largely be attributed to Ibaka's immediate acclimation and success.

When Toronto traded for Ibaka, they were 4 games behind the Celtics. Today they are 3 games behind the Celtics. Just want to throw that out there when people talk about how successful Toronto has been in adding a player as compared to the Celtics who added nobody.

[greece66]

>be away from the forums for a couple of weeks
>come back today
>(for the sake of posterity: last night we got back to first seed in the East)
>top post at Celtics Talk is about DA messing up

never change Celtics Forums <3

TP to the OP for bringing back all the meme-ories from 2013-14

[Androslav]

>be away from the forums for a couple of weeks
>come back today
>(for the sake of posterity: last night we got back to first seed in the East)
>top post at Celtics Talk is about DA messing up

never change Celtics Forums <3

TP to the OP for bringing back all the meme-ories from 2013-14

@nickagneta
@greece666
FTs 2/2

[Darío SpanishFan]

obviously take this with a grain of salt. Who the hell am I?

That's what we all are thinking.

[Alleyoopster]

obviously take this with a grain of salt. Who the hell am I?

But im just thinking, the Cavs look terrible, we could have had anybody we wanted

With Durant ailing and Warriors not looking as good, we could have made a great run this year.

Now on the other hand Ainge can make a good pick up in the off season and we will look good for years anyways and cleveland looks like they are not going to get any better

i just feel like if we had paul or jimmy, this team would be a favorite vs the cavs'


not saying we still wont give the Cavs a good fight and potentially win out

This wasn't a bad title. I agree with other posters in that Danny made a great move getting two first rounders from New Jersey and made a number or other shrewd moves. This doesn't preclude him from 'messing up'.

Judging from how some draftees are playing almost every GM in the league messed up. We saw two examples in the past couple days, i.e., Malcolm Brogden and Tyler Johnson were both available and everyone whiffed. (Granted Johnson has bounced around in the Miami organization.) Another example, Zubac is far better than anyone could have imagined. There are others misses, but these stand out at the moment.

More to your point, this would have been the year for Danny to have made his move. You are right, the top teams are at their weakest. There is so much parity in the League. If he kept their first two second round picks and drafted wisely, plus made a splash at the trade deadline the Celtics might have been title contenders this year.

One reason why most GM's screwed up in the draft can be found in this article written in 2014 that explains why some players slip in the draft. 


https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/06/why-do-top-nba-draft-picks-always-disappoint/373338/

Skip the top section and scroll down until you see the section excerpt quoted below.. Then, read the profile of Player 2. (basically describes Brogden and a few of the other draft misses to a T)


"A few years ago I published a paper (with Stacey Brook and AjuFenn) examining what determines where a college player is selected in the NBA draft. Recently I updated the data set used in this paper, looking at drafts from 1991 to 2013." 

[jambr380]

Some posters are being a little hard on the OP. I think acquiring Butler or George would have been tough. As has been discussed, the asking price was exorbitant, reportedly including the BKN pick and three of AB, Crowder, Brown, Smart.

Danny not making a move for one of those guys shouldn't really be questioned, but Ibaka or Noel (or even Cousins) were definitely obtainable for reasonable prices - at the very least PJ Tucker might have excited some folks. I am a Rozier fan, but for DA to say that he didn't want to include 'valuable' assets like Rozier for a player like Ibaka is a bit perplexing.

I get that management already made the decision to punt the season, but adding smaller pieces that don't extend beyond this year probably would have made some sense.