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Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2017, 09:38:17 PM »

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I think you guys should be worried about jaylen's fts;he cost us this game by going 5 for 10 on fts ala Shaq efficiency. I think Smart is just going to improve on his shot selection and get his %s to an ok level so he'll be fine, he just needs some more work. But Jaylen has been shooting fts pretty badly recently so it's a bit worrying (at least smart is pretty good at the ft line)

Jaylen is shooting 70% on the line this season. I don't think its bad.

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2017, 09:41:02 PM »

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My expectations of Smart is a slightly richer man's Mike Conley.
But your expectations of Smart seem to be freaking Thabo Sefolosha.

If you guys are not worried because your expectations are the latter, then that explains it. If Marcus Smart is anything less than a borderline All-Star player, then he is a dissapointment for me.

what you are overlooking is the type of defense the guy has to play .... he has to bail out IT4 by covering 1.5 guys at all times... he has to battle trees for rebounds/offensive rebounds etc

His offense has slowly been improving... and it will continue to... don't worry

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2017, 09:41:16 PM »

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You're naive if you think Jackson would be redundant. He moves well without the ball and knows how to cut well to the rim like Bradley. Not to mention, he's a very good slasher and can create separation off the dribble. His 3pt% is also improving.

I bet you've pick guys like Stauskas and Jimmer to be future all-stars during the draft.

Right. Nice try, but I hate those types of players. Stauskas is essentially a three point chucker like Jae Crowder.

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2017, 09:42:16 PM »

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He's still young so he has time to make adjustments but I'm surprised he hasn't at least shown some sort of improvement since his collegiate years.

In college he was shooting 4+ threes a game and shot under 30% from 3 for both his freshman and sophomore year. This is his 3rd year in the league and still takes 4+ threes a game, and has shot under 30% from 3 his last 2 seasons. His free throw percentages are also similar (75.1% in college, 74.6% in the NBA).

Smart needs to be able to get to the line like he did in college. Weaker competition in college sure, but something has gotta give. A career <40-30-75 PG/SG won't cut it.

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2017, 09:42:49 PM »

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You're naive if you think Jackson would be redundant. He moves well without the ball and knows how to cut well to the rim like Bradley. Not to mention, he's a very good slasher and can create separation off the dribble. His 3pt% is also improving.

I bet you've pick guys like Stauskas and Jimmer to be future all-stars during the draft.

Right. Nice try, but I hate those types of players. Stauskas is essentially a three point chucker like Jae Crowder.

Then who do you wanted during the draft?

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2017, 09:42:51 PM »

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My expectations of Smart is a slightly richer man's Mike Conley.
But your expectations of Smart seem to be freaking Thabo Sefolosha.

If you guys are not worried because your expectations are the latter. Then that defines it. If Marcus Smart is anything less than a borderline All-Star player, then he is a dissapointment.
Your expectations of him based on draft-position are irrelevant in evaluating anyone but Danny Ainge.

He is a very very valuable player and we are better when he is on the floor despite coming off the bench.

In fact, when Marcus Smart is on the floor, we outscore the opposition by 4.5 points per 100 possessions. When Thomas is on the floor, we outscore the opposition by .9 points per 100 possessions.

He is never going to be a good scorer, but he is a good passer, whos shown a willingness and ability to make big shots and is a serious matchup problem for smaller gaurds.

He is an incredibly important piece to this puzzle.

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2017, 09:47:32 PM »

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You're naive if you think Jackson would be redundant. He moves well without the ball and knows how to cut well to the rim like Bradley. Not to mention, he's a very good slasher and can create separation off the dribble. His 3pt% is also improving.

I bet you've pick guys like Stauskas and Jimmer to be future all-stars during the draft.

Right. Nice try, but I hate those types of players. Stauskas is essentially a three point chucker like Jae Crowder.

Then who do you wanted during the draft?

Randle in 2014. Bobby Portis/Hollis jefferson in 2015.
Wanted Kris Dunn in 2016 (first time I could have made a bad choice in recent years) and luckily Jaylen Brown is making me eat crow. Hopefully Smart will too, but I don't expect it.

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2017, 09:51:22 PM »

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You're naive if you think Jackson would be redundant. He moves well without the ball and knows how to cut well to the rim like Bradley. Not to mention, he's a very good slasher and can create separation off the dribble. His 3pt% is also improving.

I bet you've pick guys like Stauskas and Jimmer to be future all-stars during the draft.

Right. Nice try, but I hate those types of players. Stauskas is essentially a three point chucker like Jae Crowder.

Then who do you wanted during the draft?

Randle in 2014. Bobby Portis/Hollis jefferson in 2015.
Wanted Kris Dunn in 2016 (first time I could have made a bad choice in recent years) and luckily Jaylen Brown is making me eat crow. Hopefully Smart will too, but I don't expect it.

Do you remember that last min, offensive rebound by Smart (snatching it off Horford?) ... or the offensive rebound/putback after a FT miss, a few games ago to seal the win....of that steal on x,y,z with less than a min to go

who do you think made those plays??

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2017, 09:52:58 PM »

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You're naive if you think Jackson would be redundant. He moves well without the ball and knows how to cut well to the rim like Bradley. Not to mention, he's a very good slasher and can create separation off the dribble. His 3pt% is also improving.

I bet you've pick guys like Stauskas and Jimmer to be future all-stars during the draft.

Right. Nice try, but I hate those types of players. Stauskas is essentially a three point chucker like Jae Crowder.

Then who do you wanted during the draft?

Randle in 2014. Bobby Portis/Hollis jefferson in 2015.
Wanted Kris Dunn in 2016 (first time I could have made a bad choice in recent years) and luckily Jaylen Brown is making me eat crow. Hopefully Smart will too, but I don't expect it.

Do you remember that last min, offensive rebound by Smart (snatching it off Horford?) ... or the offensive rebound/putback after a FT miss, a few games ago to seal the win....of that steal on x,y,z

who do you think made those plays??

Sure, but whats this guy's ceiling as a horrendous offensive player?

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2017, 09:54:13 PM »

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You're naive if you think Jackson would be redundant. He moves well without the ball and knows how to cut well to the rim like Bradley. Not to mention, he's a very good slasher and can create separation off the dribble. His 3pt% is also improving.

I bet you've pick guys like Stauskas and Jimmer to be future all-stars during the draft.

Right. Nice try, but I hate those types of players. Stauskas is essentially a three point chucker like Jae Crowder.

Then who do you wanted during the draft?

Randle in 2014. Bobby Portis/Hollis jefferson in 2015.
Wanted Kris Dunn in 2016 (first time I could have made a bad choice in recent years) and luckily Jaylen Brown is making me eat crow. Hopefully Smart will too, but I don't expect it.

Smart over Randle is already far and away the better pick. Randle doesn't affect winning anywhere near as much Smart.

But I agree with Portis. The Rozier pick came out of nowhere, and he wasn't really needed. Portis could very well be our starting 4 right now if we had chosen him.
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Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2017, 09:56:19 PM »

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You're naive if you think Jackson would be redundant. He moves well without the ball and knows how to cut well to the rim like Bradley. Not to mention, he's a very good slasher and can create separation off the dribble. His 3pt% is also improving.

I bet you've pick guys like Stauskas and Jimmer to be future all-stars during the draft.

Right. Nice try, but I hate those types of players. Stauskas is essentially a three point chucker like Jae Crowder.

Then who do you wanted during the draft?

Randle in 2014. Bobby Portis/Hollis jefferson in 2015.
Wanted Kris Dunn in 2016 (first time I could have made a bad choice in recent years) and luckily Jaylen Brown is making me eat crow. Hopefully Smart will too, but I don't expect it.

Do you remember that last min, offensive rebound by Smart (snatching it off Horford?) ... or the offensive rebound/putback after a FT miss, a few games ago to seal the win....of that steal on x,y,z

who do you think made those plays??

Sure, but whats this guy's ceiling?

Maybe all we will get is Lindsay Hunter,  a better Tony Allen....

people were saying Smart is like the next D Wade...while I can see some resemblance,  there is no way Smart will be as good as Dwade on the offensive end

As long as Smart makes the open jumper, fine lanes to penetrate to the basket (he is doing this more and more) , make his FTs.... he is still going to be a nice player due to his motor/versatile defense

At this rate he should at least make all defensive 2nd team at least

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2017, 09:56:37 PM »

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You're naive if you think Jackson would be redundant. He moves well without the ball and knows how to cut well to the rim like Bradley. Not to mention, he's a very good slasher and can create separation off the dribble. His 3pt% is also improving.

I bet you've pick guys like Stauskas and Jimmer to be future all-stars during the draft.

Right. Nice try, but I hate those types of players. Stauskas is essentially a three point chucker like Jae Crowder.

Then who do you wanted during the draft?

Randle in 2014. Bobby Portis/Hollis jefferson in 2015.
Wanted Kris Dunn in 2016 (first time I could have made a bad choice in recent years) and luckily Jaylen Brown is making me eat crow. Hopefully Smart will too, but I don't expect it.

Randle is not making you eat a crow? Guy is shooting just as bad as Smart from outside and couldn't even guard my grandma. You said Smart is a black hole, but Randle is the definition of a black hole. Hollis Jefferson is another bad shooter and have worse handle than Smart.

So tell me how can you like RHJ, but not Josh Jackson who is a much better talent?

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2017, 09:58:41 PM »

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You're naive if you think Jackson would be redundant. He moves well without the ball and knows how to cut well to the rim like Bradley. Not to mention, he's a very good slasher and can create separation off the dribble. His 3pt% is also improving.

I bet you've pick guys like Stauskas and Jimmer to be future all-stars during the draft.

Right. Nice try, but I hate those types of players. Stauskas is essentially a three point chucker like Jae Crowder.

Then who do you wanted during the draft?

Randle in 2014. Bobby Portis/Hollis jefferson in 2015.
Wanted Kris Dunn in 2016 (first time I could have made a bad choice in recent years) and luckily Jaylen Brown is making me eat crow. Hopefully Smart will too, but I don't expect it.

Do you remember that last min, offensive rebound by Smart (snatching it off Horford?) ... or the offensive rebound/putback after a FT miss, a few games ago to seal the win....of that steal on x,y,z with less than a min to go

who do you think made those plays??
lets not forget individual stops on Eric Bledsoe(Pulled the chair out from under him) and Devin Booker in the final minutes of tonights game. In fact, those were our only two stops down the stretch if Im not mistaken.

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2017, 09:59:57 PM »

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You're naive if you think Jackson would be redundant. He moves well without the ball and knows how to cut well to the rim like Bradley. Not to mention, he's a very good slasher and can create separation off the dribble. His 3pt% is also improving.

I bet you've pick guys like Stauskas and Jimmer to be future all-stars during the draft.

Right. Nice try, but I hate those types of players. Stauskas is essentially a three point chucker like Jae Crowder.

Then who do you wanted during the draft?

Randle in 2014. Bobby Portis/Hollis jefferson in 2015.
Wanted Kris Dunn in 2016 (first time I could have made a bad choice in recent years) and luckily Jaylen Brown is making me eat crow. Hopefully Smart will too, but I don't expect it.

Smart over Randle is already far and away the better pick. Randle doesn't affect winning anywhere near as much Smart.

But I agree with Portis. The Rozier pick came out of nowhere, and he wasn't really needed. Portis could very well be our starting 4 right now if we had chosen him.
Smart is better than Randle
Brown is looking better than Dunn
Rozier is no worse than RHJ(who I wanted)

you dont have a sterling record man.

Re: Who else is worried about Marcus Smart's offense?
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2017, 10:05:47 PM »

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You're naive if you think Jackson would be redundant. He moves well without the ball and knows how to cut well to the rim like Bradley. Not to mention, he's a very good slasher and can create separation off the dribble. His 3pt% is also improving.

I bet you've pick guys like Stauskas and Jimmer to be future all-stars during the draft.

Right. Nice try, but I hate those types of players. Stauskas is essentially a three point chucker like Jae Crowder.

Then who do you wanted during the draft?

Randle in 2014. Bobby Portis/Hollis jefferson in 2015.
Wanted Kris Dunn in 2016 (first time I could have made a bad choice in recent years) and luckily Jaylen Brown is making me eat crow. Hopefully Smart will too, but I don't expect it.

Randle is not making you eat a crow? Guy is shooting just as bad as Smart from outside and couldn't even guard my grandma. Hollis Jefferson is another bad shooter and have worse handle than Smart.

So tell me how can you like RHJ, but not Josh Jackson who is a much better talent?

Randle is at the moment decent offensively and a capable defender in the future because of his size and speed. He knows how to finish through contact, can pass, is a good rebounder, reminiscent of future Blake Griffin in the post. Sure, atm Smart is clearly better. But Randle's ceiling is much higher.

Portis should definitely make Danny eat crow. RHJ is a better pick than Rozier at #16 regardless.
And RHJ would never be a top 3 pick like Josh Jackson. So your question is kind of stupid. Sorry mate.