Do Over

[green_bballers13]

Brown. I like the way he is built more than Ingram, though I think Ingram is a better shooter.

I see more thunderous dunks coming from Brown, and think he will be a better defender. Having a penetrating wing is useful to keep defenses honest and opening shots for guards. Ingram is longer, but I think JB has the quicker first step.

I ultimately see Ingram as better than Tayshaun but worse than KD. I see Jaylen Brown as a talent in between Iguodola and Kawhi.

[Moranis]

I would pick Ingram in a heartbeat.

If he played under Brad Stevens system and not Luke Walton system, he'd be thriving a whole lot.

How can you be so sure about that? His shot has not fallen so far. I think people are underestimating Brown's work ethic which was a big reason for me wanting to take him

Ingram has been shooting the three ball much better of late.  33.3% in January and up to 35.5% in February. 

[TheTruthFot18]

NBA Rookie ladder.... Brown is not even in the top 10... SMH

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/03/01/rookie-ladder-week-17-buddy-hield-bigger-role-after-trade-deadline?collection=rookie-ladder

4 out 5 of those top 5 "rookies" are 22 or older. So yeah they're probably ahead of a 19/20 year old. Chriss is the exception.

[oldtype]

Probably something like Simmons - Ingram - Murray - Brown - Hield

[jambr380]

NBA Rookie ladder.... Brown is not even in the top 10... SMH

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/03/01/rookie-ladder-week-17-buddy-hield-bigger-role-after-trade-deadline?collection=rookie-ladder

4 out 5 of those top 5 "rookies" are 22 or older. So yeah they're probably ahead of a 19/20 year old. Chriss is the exception.

Pascal Siakam being ahead of Brown on the rookie ladder is all you need to know about the rookie ladder.

I take Brown at #2 - knowing what I know now. Last year, I would have taken Brown 4th after Simmons-Ingram-Dunn.

Ingram looks the part and has a good stroke, but Brown's intelligence (among other things) are what I think will propel him above Ingram.

[clevelandceltic]

I would pick Ingram in a heartbeat.

If he played under Brad Stevens system and not Luke Walton system, he'd be thriving a whole lot.

How can you be so sure about that? His shot has not fallen so far. I think people are underestimating Brown's work ethic which was a big reason for me wanting to take him

Ingram has been shooting the three ball much better of late.  33.3% in January and up to 35.5% in February.

Yes his numbers have gone up but look where they started? He shot 20% from 3 in Jan. 48% from the FT line last month. I know that's cherry picking numbers but look at his overall stats. Im not saying he is a bust, Im saying I had trouble seeing how he would score consistently at his size. He has the stroke but his FT% is turrible as Chuck would say. At least he has the handle to get the shot off unlike what I see from Issac which is a good sign.

[mainevent]

I guess you guys see something in Ingram I'm just not seeing.  I have League pass and watch a lot of west coast games so I've seen quite a bit of the lakers but while Ingram has had a few splash plays here and there I'm just not that impressed as of yet.  He's loooong, but his bony frame causes him to lose any advantage his length gives him.  The problem is they don't know where to play him...2, 3 or dare I say 4.  It's going to be interesting to see how he develops or if he's able to really add weight, which he's trying desperately to do.  KD is FIFTY pounds heavier! Think about that...

Jaylen's had some brain farts as of late, but he truly thinks the game and I've said it and I'll say it again over and over...once the game slows down for this kid he is going to be lethal.

[oldtype]

I guess you guys see something in Ingram I'm just not seeing.  I have League pass and watch a lot of west coast games so I've seen quite a bit of the lakers but while Ingram has had a few splash plays here and there I'm just not that impressed as of yet.  He's loooong, but his bony frame causes him to lose any advantage his length gives him.  The problem is they don't know where to play him...2, 3 or dare I say 4.  It's going to be interesting to see how he develops or if he's able to really add weight, which he's trying desperately to do.  KD is FIFTY pounds heavier! Think about that...

Jaylen's had some brain farts as of late, but he truly thinks the game and I've said it and I'll say it again over and over...once the game slows down for this kid he is going to be lethal.

Ingram is a year younger than the other one-and-done rookies.  He needs time to develop and his first season has honestly been less bad than a lot of people thought it might be.

[celticsclay]

Sorry that Rookie ladder is embarassing and whoever wrote it should be let go. Siakam is averaging 4.5 points on the year (worse than brown) and is now not even in the rotation. How you could put that over a guy that has been averaging twice that for the last month filling in for an injured starter is beyond me. (while having better scoring numbers and good shooting numbers for the year)

[Moranis]

I would pick Ingram in a heartbeat.

If he played under Brad Stevens system and not Luke Walton system, he'd be thriving a whole lot.

How can you be so sure about that? His shot has not fallen so far. I think people are underestimating Brown's work ethic which was a big reason for me wanting to take him

Ingram has been shooting the three ball much better of late.  33.3% in January and up to 35.5% in February.

Yes his numbers have gone up but look where they started? He shot 20% from 3 in Jan. 48% from the FT line last month. I know that's cherry picking numbers but look at his overall stats. Im not saying he is a bust, Im saying I had trouble seeing how he would score consistently at his size. He has the stroke but his FT% is turrible as Chuck would say. At least he has the handle to get the shot off unlike what I see from Issac which is a good sign.

He shot 33.3% from three in January.  He was 20% from three in December.  Hence my statement he has shot much better of late at 35.5% in February and 33.3% in January.  He was bad from the line in February, but that is well below his season average, so I would expect that to go back to his more normal 65% (which still isn't great). 

[__ramonezy__]

Im going with Jaylen as well...

But the one thing I'm high on is our team's ability to teach and nurture young players... it's not just Jaylen, but I doubt Marcus would be Marcus on a losing team with little player development as well. There are teams that irrespective of the draft pick they seem to stifle growth.

IMO Jaylen is on the Butler/Kawhi trajectory not in terms of skillset yet, but in terms of being drafted into a team with a positive, winning culture and a good developmental coaching staff. 

[Eddie20]

Would anyone that said any name other than Brown like a "do over"?

[Sketch5]

NBA Rookie ladder.... Brown is not even in the top 10... SMH

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/03/01/rookie-ladder-week-17-buddy-hield-bigger-role-after-trade-deadline?collection=rookie-ladder

4 out 5 of those top 5 "rookies" are 22 or older. So yeah they're probably ahead of a 19/20 year old. Chriss is the exception.

Most of these guys are also playing for bad teams, or have little depth at their positions. Brown's last 10 games he's been averaging almost 12 ppg and 5 boards. Needs to improve his FT and assists, but he's also only playing 25min a game right now.

[tankcity!]

People who are saying Ingram must be assuming he will get thicker. The good thing about Ingram is that he will always be able to shoot over people, but he won't be a good defender until he gets a better body. I honestly can't see him getting bigger tbh. He had the whole summer to improve his body and it looks the same as it did in college. Just my two cents

[Roy H.]

People who are saying Ingram must be assuming he will get thicker. The good thing about Ingram is that he will always be able to shoot over people, but he won't be a good defender until he gets a better body. I honestly can't see him getting bigger tbh. He had the whole summer to improve his body and it looks the same as it did in college. Just my two cents

This summer he was an 18 year old kid, though. Before PEDs and supplements, it was normal for guys to add muscle as they matured.

Durant is his physical comp. He doesn't need to get huge: