Do you wish sometimes the IT4 trade never happened?

[Csfan1984]

Absolutely not, But C's should not have pushed for the playoffs that year forcing multiple players to play banged up and team got swept. The tank should have been in effect still and another top 10 pick  (maybe Turner) would be on this team right now.

This is silly.  Players don't tank.  Teams do, but players go out there and compete.  I'm glad Marcus Smart and Jae Crowder played their tails off that year.  IT was a nice addition, but he wasn't even starting, and only played in 21 games for the team.

The team finished three games above Miami for the coveted 10th pick.  There were three Eastern Conference teams between the Celtics and that pick.  The Celtics were trying to build a winning culture, and pulling the plug on the team with two weeks left in the season (what they would've needed to do to get to that pick) by playing Phil Pressey and James Young in place of Smart, Thomas, Crowder, and Evan Turner would have sent a terrible message.  Absolutely terrible.  (Not to mention Miami was losing that pick to Philly if it wound up 11th.  Once they'd decided to tank, they had a goal, and weren't going to give up that 10th spot.)

Would the optimal outcome have been that the team played really hard and ended up at 37 wins instead of 40? Maybe.  But it certainly wasn't ever going to be "management submarines upstart team's months of gritty effort for draft position."  That's not what winning franchises do.

I can't believe that, even after getting Jaylen Brown, with more two top lottery picks for the Nets staring us in the face, that people can't give up on missing out on a late lottery pick from a draft that's looking pretty questionable two years later.

The Heat and Pacers were supposedly the "better" teams that tanked to get those great picks.  How has that really worked out for either of them? Would you take either of their situations over the Celtics?  And I don't even mean future assets -- I mean the last two seasons.  It's not even debatable.

This Sehnsucht needs to go away.  (Sorry to break out the German, but English is incapable of expressing the problem.)

Csfan1984, along with triboy, has been one of the biggest advocates of tanking and turning this team into a bunch of teenagers on this site. His response in this thread by the OP is kind of expected. It is aggravating given what has transpired with this team over the last three years for people to still be lamenting not tanking. I feel ya, salty so have a TP.

I'm about building for a championship and developing players. Nothing close to say a 76ers job. I wasn't against getting IT, I was for it. What I am talking about is getting talent that can be developed or be flipped. I do not want the C's playing guys or picking up guys that aren't going to help you get that ring unless they are a bargain. Example Turner/Green vs Horford. I was for Green/Turner as bargains. I was not for Horford (unless he came with KD) he was a declining stiff. I am also big on offering IT a max three year deal/extension if team doesn't get a guy in FA. I firmly believe you can keep IT and still develop a Fultz or Ball behind him. So again it's not about a bunch of young guys it's about getting talent that can help us win a championship not make a playoff and get swept OR embarrassed on C's home floor.

[Ilikesports17]

Absolutely not, But C's should not have pushed for the playoffs that year forcing multiple players to play banged up and team got swept. The tank should have been in effect still and another top 10 pick  (maybe Turner) would be on this team right now.

This is silly.  Players don't tank.  Teams do, but players go out there and compete.  I'm glad Marcus Smart and Jae Crowder played their tails off that year.  IT was a nice addition, but he wasn't even starting, and only played in 21 games for the team.

The team finished three games above Miami for the coveted 10th pick.  There were three Eastern Conference teams between the Celtics and that pick.  The Celtics were trying to build a winning culture, and pulling the plug on the team with two weeks left in the season (what they would've needed to do to get to that pick) by playing Phil Pressey and James Young in place of Smart, Thomas, Crowder, and Evan Turner would have sent a terrible message.  Absolutely terrible.  (Not to mention Miami was losing that pick to Philly if it wound up 11th.  Once they'd decided to tank, they had a goal, and weren't going to give up that 10th spot.)

Would the optimal outcome have been that the team played really hard and ended up at 37 wins instead of 40? Maybe.  But it certainly wasn't ever going to be "management submarines upstart team's months of gritty effort for draft position."  That's not what winning franchises do.

I can't believe that, even after getting Jaylen Brown, with more two top lottery picks for the Nets staring us in the face, that people can't give up on missing out on a late lottery pick from a draft that's looking pretty questionable two years later.

The Heat and Pacers were supposedly the "better" teams that tanked to get those great picks.  How has that really worked out for either of them? Would you take either of their situations over the Celtics?  And I don't even mean future assets -- I mean the last two seasons.  It's not even debatable.

This Sehnsucht needs to go away.  (Sorry to break out the German, but English is incapable of expressing the problem.)

Csfan1984, along with triboy, has been one of the biggest advocates of tanking and turning this team into a bunch of teenagers on this site. His response in this thread by the OP is kind of expected. It is aggravating given what has transpired with this team over the last three years for people to still be lamenting not tanking. I feel ya, salty so have a TP.

I'm about building for a championship and developing players. Nothing close to say a 76ers job. I wasn't against getting IT, I was for it. What I am talking about is getting talent that can be developed or be flipped. I do not want the C's playing guys or picking up guys that aren't going to help you get that ring unless they are a bargain. Example Turner/Green vs Horford. I was for Green/Turner as bargains. I was not for Horford (unless he came with KD) he was a declining stiff. I am also big on offering IT a max three year deal/extension if team doesn't get a guy in FA. I firmly believe you can keep IT and still develop a Fultz or Ball behind him. So again it's not about a bunch of young guys it's about getting talent that can help us win a championship not make a playoff and get swept OR embarrassed on C's home floor.

sitting guys down the stretch so as to not make the playoffs means you dont get to resign Crowder. you dont get to sign Amir Johnson, you probably dont make the playoffs last year, you dont get a meeting with KD.

so the net trade is probably Crowder+Rozier+Johnson+Horford+KD meeting + Zizic for Winslow + Marquess Chriss(best case)

I dont love that trade especially when you factor in the enjoyment Ive gotten from this team.

[GreenFaith1819]

Nope I'm happy that IT4 landed in BOS. Watching him play and elevate this team has been an unexpected joy to watch.

He is our modern day Paul Pierce, at least to me.

I'm looking forward to DA getting him and Big Al some more players - either through the draft, FA or via trade.

I want this team going forward with IT4 at the PG. I believe we can win a championship with him as our PG.

[Ogaju]

I wish you had never started this thread.

Pro: I would not have wasted my time reading the thread.

Con: I may stop taking you seriously in the future.

[Csfan1984]

Absolutely not, But C's should not have pushed for the playoffs that year forcing multiple players to play banged up and team got swept. The tank should have been in effect still and another top 10 pick  (maybe Turner) would be on this team right now.

This is silly.  Players don't tank.  Teams do, but players go out there and compete.  I'm glad Marcus Smart and Jae Crowder played their tails off that year.  IT was a nice addition, but he wasn't even starting, and only played in 21 games for the team.

The team finished three games above Miami for the coveted 10th pick.  There were three Eastern Conference teams between the Celtics and that pick.  The Celtics were trying to build a winning culture, and pulling the plug on the team with two weeks left in the season (what they would've needed to do to get to that pick) by playing Phil Pressey and James Young in place of Smart, Thomas, Crowder, and Evan Turner would have sent a terrible message.  Absolutely terrible.  (Not to mention Miami was losing that pick to Philly if it wound up 11th.  Once they'd decided to tank, they had a goal, and weren't going to give up that 10th spot.)

Would the optimal outcome have been that the team played really hard and ended up at 37 wins instead of 40? Maybe.  But it certainly wasn't ever going to be "management submarines upstart team's months of gritty effort for draft position."  That's not what winning franchises do.

I can't believe that, even after getting Jaylen Brown, with more two top lottery picks for the Nets staring us in the face, that people can't give up on missing out on a late lottery pick from a draft that's looking pretty questionable two years later.

The Heat and Pacers were supposedly the "better" teams that tanked to get those great picks.  How has that really worked out for either of them? Would you take either of their situations over the Celtics?  And I don't even mean future assets -- I mean the last two seasons.  It's not even debatable.

This Sehnsucht needs to go away.  (Sorry to break out the German, but English is incapable of expressing the problem.)

Csfan1984, along with triboy, has been one of the biggest advocates of tanking and turning this team into a bunch of teenagers on this site. His response in this thread by the OP is kind of expected. It is aggravating given what has transpired with this team over the last three years for people to still be lamenting not tanking. I feel ya, salty so have a TP.

I'm about building for a championship and developing players. Nothing close to say a 76ers job. I wasn't against getting IT, I was for it. What I am talking about is getting talent that can be developed or be flipped. I do not want the C's playing guys or picking up guys that aren't going to help you get that ring unless they are a bargain. Example Turner/Green vs Horford. I was for Green/Turner as bargains. I was not for Horford (unless he came with KD) he was a declining stiff. I am also big on offering IT a max three year deal/extension if team doesn't get a guy in FA. I firmly believe you can keep IT and still develop a Fultz or Ball behind him. So again it's not about a bunch of young guys it's about getting talent that can help us win a championship not make a playoff and get swept OR embarrassed on C's home floor.

sitting guys down the stretch so as to not make the playoffs means you dont get to resign Crowder. you dont get to sign Amir Johnson, you probably dont make the playoffs last year, you dont get a meeting with KD.

so the net trade is probably Crowder+Rozier+Johnson+Horford+KD meeting + Zizic for Winslow + Marquess Chriss(best case)

I dont love that trade especially when you factor in the enjoyment Ive gotten from this team.

$ is why those guys resigned not getting swept. And getting swept doesn't help you recruit KD. The play last year is what helped. Let's not confuse a strategic tank job to a multiple year 76ers tank job. It's clearly different. Think Spurs tank job for Duncan.

[Ilikesports17]

Absolutely not, But C's should not have pushed for the playoffs that year forcing multiple players to play banged up and team got swept. The tank should have been in effect still and another top 10 pick  (maybe Turner) would be on this team right now.

This is silly.  Players don't tank.  Teams do, but players go out there and compete.  I'm glad Marcus Smart and Jae Crowder played their tails off that year.  IT was a nice addition, but he wasn't even starting, and only played in 21 games for the team.

The team finished three games above Miami for the coveted 10th pick.  There were three Eastern Conference teams between the Celtics and that pick.  The Celtics were trying to build a winning culture, and pulling the plug on the team with two weeks left in the season (what they would've needed to do to get to that pick) by playing Phil Pressey and James Young in place of Smart, Thomas, Crowder, and Evan Turner would have sent a terrible message.  Absolutely terrible.  (Not to mention Miami was losing that pick to Philly if it wound up 11th.  Once they'd decided to tank, they had a goal, and weren't going to give up that 10th spot.)

Would the optimal outcome have been that the team played really hard and ended up at 37 wins instead of 40? Maybe.  But it certainly wasn't ever going to be "management submarines upstart team's months of gritty effort for draft position."  That's not what winning franchises do.

I can't believe that, even after getting Jaylen Brown, with more two top lottery picks for the Nets staring us in the face, that people can't give up on missing out on a late lottery pick from a draft that's looking pretty questionable two years later.

The Heat and Pacers were supposedly the "better" teams that tanked to get those great picks.  How has that really worked out for either of them? Would you take either of their situations over the Celtics?  And I don't even mean future assets -- I mean the last two seasons.  It's not even debatable.

This Sehnsucht needs to go away.  (Sorry to break out the German, but English is incapable of expressing the problem.)

Csfan1984, along with triboy, has been one of the biggest advocates of tanking and turning this team into a bunch of teenagers on this site. His response in this thread by the OP is kind of expected. It is aggravating given what has transpired with this team over the last three years for people to still be lamenting not tanking. I feel ya, salty so have a TP.

I'm about building for a championship and developing players. Nothing close to say a 76ers job. I wasn't against getting IT, I was for it. What I am talking about is getting talent that can be developed or be flipped. I do not want the C's playing guys or picking up guys that aren't going to help you get that ring unless they are a bargain. Example Turner/Green vs Horford. I was for Green/Turner as bargains. I was not for Horford (unless he came with KD) he was a declining stiff. I am also big on offering IT a max three year deal/extension if team doesn't get a guy in FA. I firmly believe you can keep IT and still develop a Fultz or Ball behind him. So again it's not about a bunch of young guys it's about getting talent that can help us win a championship not make a playoff and get swept OR embarrassed on C's home floor.

sitting guys down the stretch so as to not make the playoffs means you dont get to resign Crowder. you dont get to sign Amir Johnson, you probably dont make the playoffs last year, you dont get a meeting with KD.

so the net trade is probably Crowder+Rozier+Johnson+Horford+KD meeting + Zizic for Winslow + Marquess Chriss(best case)

I dont love that trade especially when you factor in the enjoyment Ive gotten from this team.

$ is why those guys resigned not getting swept. And getting swept doesn't help you recruit KD. The play last year is what helped. Let's not confuse a strategic tank job to a multiple year 76ers tank job. It's clearly different. Think Spurs tank job for Duncan.

Jae signed a team friendly deal and said publicly he would not have come back if he did not feel that we were fully focused on winning.

We made a great playoff run and I really doubt Amir comes here if we hadnt made the playoffs/resigned Crowder. Could be wrong on Amir.

getting swept doesnt get you a KD meeting, but it got you Crowder on a team friendly deal and I firmly believe it got you Amir Johnson and without those guys you dont play like you did last year and you dont get a KD meeting.

[slamtheking]

how is this even a topic of discussion?

sure, there's some nitpicking about aspects of his game, as with every player on the team, but who'd seriously think that trade was a bad move?

[tarheelsxxiii]

Comments from the peanut gallery?  It sure is fun watching IT tee-off on the defending champs right now, isn't it folks?

[Csfan1984]

Absolutely not, But C's should not have pushed for the playoffs that year forcing multiple players to play banged up and team got swept. The tank should have been in effect still and another top 10 pick  (maybe Turner) would be on this team right now.

This is silly.  Players don't tank.  Teams do, but players go out there and compete.  I'm glad Marcus Smart and Jae Crowder played their tails off that year.  IT was a nice addition, but he wasn't even starting, and only played in 21 games for the team.

The team finished three games above Miami for the coveted 10th pick.  There were three Eastern Conference teams between the Celtics and that pick.  The Celtics were trying to build a winning culture, and pulling the plug on the team with two weeks left in the season (what they would've needed to do to get to that pick) by playing Phil Pressey and James Young in place of Smart, Thomas, Crowder, and Evan Turner would have sent a terrible message.  Absolutely terrible.  (Not to mention Miami was losing that pick to Philly if it wound up 11th.  Once they'd decided to tank, they had a goal, and weren't going to give up that 10th spot.)

Would the optimal outcome have been that the team played really hard and ended up at 37 wins instead of 40? Maybe.  But it certainly wasn't ever going to be "management submarines upstart team's months of gritty effort for draft position."  That's not what winning franchises do.

I can't believe that, even after getting Jaylen Brown, with more two top lottery picks for the Nets staring us in the face, that people can't give up on missing out on a late lottery pick from a draft that's looking pretty questionable two years later.

The Heat and Pacers were supposedly the "better" teams that tanked to get those great picks.  How has that really worked out for either of them? Would you take either of their situations over the Celtics?  And I don't even mean future assets -- I mean the last two seasons.  It's not even debatable.

This Sehnsucht needs to go away.  (Sorry to break out the German, but English is incapable of expressing the problem.)

Csfan1984, along with triboy, has been one of the biggest advocates of tanking and turning this team into a bunch of teenagers on this site. His response in this thread by the OP is kind of expected. It is aggravating given what has transpired with this team over the last three years for people to still be lamenting not tanking. I feel ya, salty so have a TP.

I'm about building for a championship and developing players. Nothing close to say a 76ers job. I wasn't against getting IT, I was for it. What I am talking about is getting talent that can be developed or be flipped. I do not want the C's playing guys or picking up guys that aren't going to help you get that ring unless they are a bargain. Example Turner/Green vs Horford. I was for Green/Turner as bargains. I was not for Horford (unless he came with KD) he was a declining stiff. I am also big on offering IT a max three year deal/extension if team doesn't get a guy in FA. I firmly believe you can keep IT and still develop a Fultz or Ball behind him. So again it's not about a bunch of young guys it's about getting talent that can help us win a championship not make a playoff and get swept OR embarrassed on C's home floor.

sitting guys down the stretch so as to not make the playoffs means you dont get to resign Crowder. you dont get to sign Amir Johnson, you probably dont make the playoffs last year, you dont get a meeting with KD.

so the net trade is probably Crowder+Rozier+Johnson+Horford+KD meeting + Zizic for Winslow + Marquess Chriss(best case)

I dont love that trade especially when you factor in the enjoyment Ive gotten from this team.

$ is why those guys resigned not getting swept. And getting swept doesn't help you recruit KD. The play last year is what helped. Let's not confuse a strategic tank job to a multiple year 76ers tank job. It's clearly different. Think Spurs tank job for Duncan.

Jae signed a team friendly deal and said publicly he would not have come back if he did not feel that we were fully focused on winning.

We made a great playoff run and I really doubt Amir comes here if we hadnt made the playoffs/resigned Crowder. Could be wrong on Amir.

getting swept doesnt get you a KD meeting, but it got you Crowder on a team friendly deal and I firmly believe it got you Amir Johnson and without those guys you dont play like you did last year and you dont get a KD meeting.

You are seriously reaching Crowder wasn't even considered a starter when he signed his deal. People reacted the same as when AB got his money as a rfa. In hindsight both those deals worked out but they were considered overpays at the time. Amir is also overpaid one of those non-bargain deals you stay away from, in the Horford category. You really aren't helping your case you named overpaying role players which we got lucky that the players improved. Oh and by the way I was on the side of arguing that AB was worth the $ "due to the market".

[Roy H.]

Jeopardy style: "What is the question thousands of Cleveland fans are asking tonight?"

[PickNRoll]

haha.  Don't feed the troll.  One of the most lopsided trades of all time.

[BringToughnessBack]

If only  we could be more like the Sixers and never traded for IT!

[Phantom255x]

Whoever made this thread deserves to send in a resume for Liberty Ballers.

Also, I'd LOVE to see a poll here. It would be a landslide 

[The One]

Just so it's not lost in translation...

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[Moranis]

The better question is do you wish we never made the playoffs that year. After so much time repressing the negligent move by Ainge to keep(not waive/cut/buy-out)  ET, Jonas, Gigi, and BASS...especially after the trade deadline.

Remember I use to end all my posts with: draft Myles Turner. But it's okay because Ainge completely stole RJ Hunter...

Ainge seemed enamored with Winslow. I dont think missing the playoffs would have gotten us Turner.

Perhaps it gets you Winslow over Rozier.

Hunter had nothing to do with any of this.

winslow might have been off the board and I can't see him taking Rozier that high, which is why I said Winslow or Turner in my initial post in this thread.

Winslow went 10th and if Boston had missed the playoffs they would have picked to later than 12th.

I think Ainge would have traded up and got Winslow one way or another.

Charlotte at 9 turned down a BKN pick as well as 15 and 16 and another future 1st.  Presumably Miami did as well, since that trade wasn't made.  There are no guarantees Boston would have been able to trade up to get Winslow.