Do you wish sometimes the IT4 trade never happened?

[The One]

I think this might win CRAZIEST THREAD OF THE YEAR AWARD.

[Roy H.]

No of course not.  That is just silly.

I will say this, without that trade, Boston likely doesn't make the playoffs two years ago and thus would likely have Winslow or Turner instead of Rozier.  That would have been the only real positive.

Can you imagine the state of the blog if we'd drafted Winslow right now? We probably would have Dunn in place of Jaylen, and would be picking mid-lottery with no end in sight to losing.

[nickagneta]

For what reason?

Do you wish we would have been in the lottery for the past two seasons and acquired more top tier young players?

Ummmm...of course he does. Triboy was a devout tanker and has been advocating ridiculous trades so that we could start all rookie lineups for years. Just check his old posts.

[CoachBo]

No of course not.  That is just silly.

I will say this, without that trade, Boston likely doesn't make the playoffs two years ago and thus would likely have Winslow or Turner instead of Rozier.  That would have been the only real positive.

Can you imagine the state of the blog if we'd drafted Winslow right now? We probably would have Dunn in place of Jaylen, and would be picking mid-lottery with no end in sight to losing.

Fascinating how soon people forgot what the Draft Savant was willing to give up to pick Winslow.

But I digress. We're supposed to forget all of Ainge's draft mistakes. Doesn't fit the narrative.

[mmmmm]

No.

Pros:  We have a PG having an MVP-level season.

Cons: Reading multiple threads disrespecting our PG having an MVP-level season

Never thought of IT4 as a pg

He is more like a short sg

Isaiah is most definitely a PG.

He is facilitating 33.6% of his teammates shots.  He's averaging 6.2 assists per game.  He's creating 15.2 points via assists.  He handles and passes the ball with similar frequency as all the other top PGs in the league.  He calls out most of the plays -- even when he isn't the ball handler.   He has an excellent handle and is amazing at not turning the ball over.  He is most definitely a PG.

Yes, he's also really, really good without the ball in his hands.  But that doesn't mean he isn't a PG.  That just means he is a good basketball player.

[Boris Badenov]

No of course not.  That is just silly.

I will say this, without that trade, Boston likely doesn't make the playoffs two years ago and thus would likely have Winslow or Turner instead of Rozier.  That would have been the only real positive.

Can you imagine the state of the blog if we'd drafted Winslow right now? We probably would have Dunn in place of Jaylen, and would be picking mid-lottery with no end in sight to losing.

Fascinating how soon people forgot what the Draft Savant was willing to give up to pick Winslow.

But I digress. We're supposed to forget all of Ainge's draft mistakes. Doesn't fit the narrative.

Your comment has absolutely nothing to do with what Roy or Moranis said.

But anyway, yeah, how can anyone question the deal?

[Evantime34]

No of course not.  That is just silly.

I will say this, without that trade, Boston likely doesn't make the playoffs two years ago and thus would likely have Winslow or Turner instead of Rozier.  That would have been the only real positive.

Can you imagine the state of the blog if we'd drafted Winslow right now? We probably would have Dunn in place of Jaylen, and would be picking mid-lottery with no end in sight to losing.

Fascinating how soon people forgot what the Draft Savant was willing to give up to pick Winslow.

But I digress. We're supposed to forget all of Ainge's draft mistakes. Doesn't fit the narrative.

I'm a big fan of Ainge, but that opinion is also shaped by the fact that he has gotten extremely lucky. There are moves he wanted to make that didn't happen that would have been disastrous.

His biggest strengths are his luck, patience and fearlessness. Granted he's probably more able to be lucky and fearless because of his job security.

On Roy's comment, I bet a some people on the blog would have been happier if things had turned out like that (which is baffling to me). The outcry of support for Dunn, mostly because pundits thought we should pick him was annoying to say the least.

[oldtype]

I really don't understand that supposed Winslow trade.  Seemed terrible at the time and seems even worse in hindsight.

...Unless he deliberately leaked it to make people think that he's capable of making bad trades too.

[Boris Badenov]

I really don't understand that supposed Winslow trade.  Seemed terrible at the time and seems even worse in hindsight.

...Unless he deliberately leaked it to make people think that he's capable of making bad trades too.

Is there any definitive evidence about that trade? I've seen vague statements that "Brooklyn picks were involved." But maybe it was the 2018 pick, top-5 protected, or something.

Maybe I'm just not informed about what the deal was, but I don't recall seeing anything credible saying anything as specific as "the 2017 pick swap" or "unprotected 2018 pick." But correct me if I'm wrong.

[Ilikesports17]

you would have effectively traded Al Horford, Amir Johnson, Jae Crowder and Isaiah Thomas for Justice Winslow...

yeah, ill pass.

[CoachBo]

No of course not.  That is just silly.

I will say this, without that trade, Boston likely doesn't make the playoffs two years ago and thus would likely have Winslow or Turner instead of Rozier.  That would have been the only real positive.

Can you imagine the state of the blog if we'd drafted Winslow right now? We probably would have Dunn in place of Jaylen, and would be picking mid-lottery with no end in sight to losing.

Fascinating how soon people forgot what the Draft Savant was willing to give up to pick Winslow.

But I digress. We're supposed to forget all of Ainge's draft mistakes. Doesn't fit the narrative.

Your comment has absolutely nothing to do with what Roy or Moranis said.

But anyway, yeah, how can anyone question the deal?

Roy mentioned Winslow. Read his post again.

Nice try, though.

[CoachBo]

No of course not.  That is just silly.

I will say this, without that trade, Boston likely doesn't make the playoffs two years ago and thus would likely have Winslow or Turner instead of Rozier.  That would have been the only real positive.

Can you imagine the state of the blog if we'd drafted Winslow right now? We probably would have Dunn in place of Jaylen, and would be picking mid-lottery with no end in sight to losing.

Fascinating how soon people forgot what the Draft Savant was willing to give up to pick Winslow.

But I digress. We're supposed to forget all of Ainge's draft mistakes. Doesn't fit the narrative.

I'm a big fan of Ainge, but that opinion is also shaped by the fact that he has gotten extremely lucky. There are moves he wanted to make that didn't happen that would have been disastrous.

His biggest strengths are his luck, patience and fearlessness. Granted he's probably more able to be lucky and fearless because of his job security.

On Roy's comment, I bet a some people on the blog would have been happier if things had turned out like that (which is baffling to me). The outcry of support for Dunn, mostly because pundits thought we should pick him was annoying to say the least.

I am actually a big fan of Trader Danny, although it would appear he's an even bigger fan of Trader Danny.

His alleged drafting acumen has been blown out of all proportion on this board, to levels only seen here in the rhapsodizing about the max contract Rondo deserved.

And we all know how that one worked out.

[Tr1boy]

For what reason?

Do you wish we would have been in the lottery for the past two seasons and acquired more top tier young players?

Ummmm...of course he does. Triboy was a devout tanker and has been advocating ridiculous trades so that we could start all rookie lineups for years. Just heck his old posts.

Do you have power of attorney? Lol

If I had to choose between Smart or IT4 to start at point for the forseeable future.... I would choose..

Since you are psychic , tell me why I would choose Smart over IT4

[Ilikesports17]

No of course not.  That is just silly.

I will say this, without that trade, Boston likely doesn't make the playoffs two years ago and thus would likely have Winslow or Turner instead of Rozier.  That would have been the only real positive.

Can you imagine the state of the blog if we'd drafted Winslow right now? We probably would have Dunn in place of Jaylen, and would be picking mid-lottery with no end in sight to losing.

Fascinating how soon people forgot what the Draft Savant was willing to give up to pick Winslow.

But I digress. We're supposed to forget all of Ainge's draft mistakes. Doesn't fit the narrative.

Its not unreasonable to forget the mistakes that Ainge didnt end up actually making.

[Boris Badenov]

No of course not.  That is just silly.

I will say this, without that trade, Boston likely doesn't make the playoffs two years ago and thus would likely have Winslow or Turner instead of Rozier.  That would have been the only real positive.

Can you imagine the state of the blog if we'd drafted Winslow right now? We probably would have Dunn in place of Jaylen, and would be picking mid-lottery with no end in sight to losing.

Fascinating how soon people forgot what the Draft Savant was willing to give up to pick Winslow.

But I digress. We're supposed to forget all of Ainge's draft mistakes. Doesn't fit the narrative.

Your comment has absolutely nothing to do with what Roy or Moranis said.

But anyway, yeah, how can anyone question the deal?

Roy mentioned Winslow. Read his post again.

Nice try, though.

Right. But in a scenario where we would have had the pick, not traded for it. No discussion of trading for picks. Or Danny's draft ability. Unrelated to both.