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Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #105 on: March 10, 2017, 10:53:34 AM »

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Some of yall need to get your eyes checked out if you think Kelly Olynyk deserves to be on next year's roster. We're not keeping him long term. He isnt worth 15M. The way he plays makes me CRINGE. At best he gives us a few "No! No! Wth are you doi...YEAH LETS GO!" moments. Don't think it'll be hard to find his replacement. We can start by bring in Yabusele and Zizic next season

Sorry but you might need to revisit lenscrafters =p

KO value is beyond stats...

Just imagine having even a longer Amir Johnson instead...

You dont get the "stretch" effect, versatility, 3 pt shootin

Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #106 on: March 10, 2017, 11:21:01 AM »

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I am sick of hearing about KO's stretch effect, especially this year. His stretch effect is he is an average to slightly below average three point shooter this year. Every big on the roster plays along the three point line and rarely post up. All the bigs on the roster pass at an above average rate for their size. KO has been most effective cutting to the basket for easy layins this year. His two point FG% shows this. Its what has kept his TS% at a good rate as his FT% is down as well as his 3PT%.

He is a good positional defender but gets exposed on 1-4 or 2-4 switches against good outside shooters because he doesn't have the quickness or length to close out. He is a poor rim protector. He still is rasily moved on the block and consistently gets outrebounded by more athletic bigs. He is a horrid rebounder for a seven footer. 12% TRB% for a 7 footer is horrible no matter how you slice it.

I am convinced he can easily be replaced with a good rebounding, defensive big that can cut to the basket from the three point line, do some post up work and get offensive rebounds. The player would be different but overall I think that type of player would make the Celtics a better team.

Al Horford is valuable to this team. This team could move on from Olynyk and not feel his absence very muvh, especially if he is replaced with a better rebounding, tougher, more athletic big.

Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #107 on: March 10, 2017, 11:43:13 AM »

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36% is by no means average for his position.
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Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #108 on: March 10, 2017, 02:17:15 PM »

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36% is by no means average for his position.
Its average for a three point shooter which he is billed as

Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #109 on: March 10, 2017, 02:17:36 PM »

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i'm glad i used has been embarrassing
i have to stay up till 3:30in morning over here and watch him stumble and bumble around along with zeller that night
i was mad we lost ,i was mad they don't rebound,i was mad kelly threw the ball away
i was screaming at the screen and cringing as he picked up weak fouls
against the warriors he only hit the floor once after pachula  pushed him on baseline
he plays his best game with steals and scores in double digits -good game kelly
do it  again tonight  but i'm not staying up
 i can watch on league pass replay tomorrow morning

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« Reply #110 on: March 10, 2017, 02:27:26 PM »

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I am sick of hearing about KO's stretch effect, especially this year. His stretch effect is he is an average to slightly below average three point shooter this year. Every big on the roster plays along the three point line and rarely post up. All the bigs on the roster pass at an above average rate for their size. KO has been most effective cutting to the basket for easy layins this year. His two point FG% shows this. Its what has kept his TS% at a good rate as his FT% is down as well as his 3PT%.

He is a good positional defender but gets exposed on 1-4 or 2-4 switches against good outside shooters because he doesn't have the quickness or length to close out. He is a poor rim protector. He still is rasily moved on the block and consistently gets outrebounded by more athletic bigs. He is a horrid rebounder for a seven footer. 12% TRB% for a 7 footer is horrible no matter how you slice it.

I am convinced he can easily be replaced with a good rebounding, defensive big that can cut to the basket from the three point line, do some post up work and get offensive rebounds. The player would be different but overall I think that type of player would make the Celtics a better team.

Al Horford is valuable to this team. This team could move on from Olynyk and not feel his absence very muvh, especially if he is replaced with a better rebounding, tougher, more athletic big.

Agreed. Again.

Thanks for the honest evaluation. Well done.

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Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #111 on: March 10, 2017, 02:44:41 PM »

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I am sick of hearing about KO's stretch effect, especially this year. His stretch effect is he is an average to slightly below average three point shooter this year. Every big on the roster plays along the three point line and rarely post up. All the bigs on the roster pass at an above average rate for their size. KO has been most effective cutting to the basket for easy layins this year. His two point FG% shows this. Its what has kept his TS% at a good rate as his FT% is down as well as his 3PT%.

He is a good positional defender but gets exposed on 1-4 or 2-4 switches against good outside shooters because he doesn't have the quickness or length to close out. He is a poor rim protector. He still is rasily moved on the block and consistently gets outrebounded by more athletic bigs. He is a horrid rebounder for a seven footer. 12% TRB% for a 7 footer is horrible no matter how you slice it.

I am convinced he can easily be replaced with a good rebounding, defensive big that can cut to the basket from the three point line, do some post up work and get offensive rebounds. The player would be different but overall I think that type of player would make the Celtics a better team.

Al Horford is valuable to this team. This team could move on from Olynyk and not feel his absence very muvh, especially if he is replaced with a better rebounding, tougher, more athletic big.

List some replacements then...

Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #112 on: March 10, 2017, 03:49:17 PM »

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I am sick of hearing about KO's stretch effect, especially this year. His stretch effect is he is an average to slightly below average three point shooter this year. Every big on the roster plays along the three point line and rarely post up. All the bigs on the roster pass at an above average rate for their size. KO has been most effective cutting to the basket for easy layins this year. His two point FG% shows this. Its what has kept his TS% at a good rate as his FT% is down as well as his 3PT%.

He is a good positional defender but gets exposed on 1-4 or 2-4 switches against good outside shooters because he doesn't have the quickness or length to close out. He is a poor rim protector. He still is rasily moved on the block and consistently gets outrebounded by more athletic bigs. He is a horrid rebounder for a seven footer. 12% TRB% for a 7 footer is horrible no matter how you slice it.

I am convinced he can easily be replaced with a good rebounding, defensive big that can cut to the basket from the three point line, do some post up work and get offensive rebounds. The player would be different but overall I think that type of player would make the Celtics a better team.

Al Horford is valuable to this team. This team could move on from Olynyk and not feel his absence very muvh, especially if he is replaced with a better rebounding, tougher, more athletic big.

Well, no, not if you divide it into offensive and defensive rebounding and consider the context. He brings in 20.0% of defensive rebounds (tops on the team and on par with guys like Paul Millsap at 19.6%, Tristian Thompson at 20.7%, and Myles Turner at 19.5%) which is not elite, but it good and above average.  His offensive rebounding (at a pitiful 5.0%) is what brings down his TRB% to 12.5%.  However, given his role of staying outside on offense and our team's lack of focus on offensive rebounding, this shouldn't be a surprise.  And actually, his 5.0% puts him in the top 20 among NBA players who make ~1 3 pointer or more per game, which means that when you consider his role (as a floor stretcher) on offense, he's not actually that bad of an offensive rebounder.

And on the subject of his 3p%, he shot 40.5% in January and 41.9% in February from three point land.  He's just 1 of 10 in March (which I have no explanation for.  It's a bit of a small sample size, but you'd still expect him to be shooting better that that), and struggled in November and December (unsurprising given that he had shoulder surgery this offseason), but he was hot going into the break.  He should heat up again, and I don't think defenders are gonna leave him space even if he's struggling (not if they want to stay on the court, at least).

An elite rebounding/defensive big that can stretch the floor would obviously be an upgrade over Olynyk, but while we're waiting for that unicorn, having Olynyk, who is good (not great) on defense and on the boards and that stretches the floor is a great thing for the team (although a bit more consistency would be nice)
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Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #113 on: March 10, 2017, 03:49:43 PM »

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Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #114 on: March 10, 2017, 11:11:00 PM »

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Olynyk invisible tonight...again. You can't pay a guy $12-15 million a year when you know he is going to just absolutely suck 2-3 times out of every 10 games.

Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #115 on: March 10, 2017, 11:27:38 PM »

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Olynyk invisible tonight...again. You can't pay a guy $12-15 million a year when you know he is going to just absolutely suck 2-3 times out of every 10 games.

This year it's been more often than that, especially since the ASB. He's had one good game since the ASB, and he's been atrocious other than that GS game.
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Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #116 on: March 11, 2017, 02:31:34 AM »

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Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #117 on: March 11, 2017, 06:20:42 AM »

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I am sick of hearing about KO's stretch effect, especially this year. His stretch effect is he is an average to slightly below average three point shooter this year. Every big on the roster plays along the three point line and rarely post up. All the bigs on the roster pass at an above average rate for their size. KO has been most effective cutting to the basket for easy layins this year. His two point FG% shows this. Its what has kept his TS% at a good rate as his FT% is down as well as his 3PT%.

He is a good positional defender but gets exposed on 1-4 or 2-4 switches against good outside shooters because he doesn't have the quickness or length to close out. He is a poor rim protector. He still is rasily moved on the block and consistently gets outrebounded by more athletic bigs. He is a horrid rebounder for a seven footer. 12% TRB% for a 7 footer is horrible no matter how you slice it.

I am convinced he can easily be replaced with a good rebounding, defensive big that can cut to the basket from the three point line, do some post up work and get offensive rebounds. The player would be different but overall I think that type of player would make the Celtics a better team.

Al Horford is valuable to this team. This team could move on from Olynyk and not feel his absence very muvh, especially if he is replaced with a better rebounding, tougher, more athletic big.

Well, no, not if you divide it into offensive and defensive rebounding and consider the context. He brings in 20.0% of defensive rebounds (tops on the team and on par with guys like Paul Millsap at 19.6%, Tristian Thompson at 20.7%, and Myles Turner at 19.5%) which is not elite, but it good and above average.  His offensive rebounding (at a pitiful 5.0%) is what brings down his TRB% to 12.5%.  However, given his role of staying outside on offense and our team's lack of focus on offensive rebounding, this shouldn't be a surprise.  And actually, his 5.0% puts him in the top 20 among NBA players who make ~1 3 pointer or more per game, which means that when you consider his role (as a floor stretcher) on offense, he's not actually that bad of an offensive rebounder.

And on the subject of his 3p%, he shot 40.5% in January and 41.9% in February from three point land.  He's just 1 of 10 in March (which I have no explanation for.  It's a bit of a small sample size, but you'd still expect him to be shooting better that that), and struggled in November and December (unsurprising given that he had shoulder surgery this offseason), but he was hot going into the break.  He should heat up again, and I don't think defenders are gonna leave him space even if he's struggling (not if they want to stay on the court, at least).

An elite rebounding/defensive big that can stretch the floor would obviously be an upgrade over Olynyk, but while we're waiting for that unicorn, having Olynyk, who is good (not great) on defense and on the boards and that stretches the floor is a great thing for the team (although a bit more consistency would be nice)

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Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #118 on: March 11, 2017, 06:32:54 AM »

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Good Kelly at GS, bad Kelly at Denver.   Oh, pot is legal there, one has to wonder if the lads hit the town...

Someone needs to tell KO that Jay and Silent Bob was a movie not a guide to life.

KO is polarizing.  Some games he looks great and some games he does not.   He is NOT the sole reason we lost.   I am of the camp that is he not a building piece.  He is a off the bench player who may kill you or win you a game.

Our frontcourt, in general, did not do so hot this game. All this talk of us winning the conference and finishing ahead of Cleveland is moot, because any team with solid bigs can expose us.  I hope this changes in the offseason.   

Small is great when it works and maddening when it does not.  A lot of the teams who do it well have small ball lineups but their teams are not entirely composed of small ball guys..   We have small ball all the time for the most part but we do not have an option to go big nor can we always thrive against the bigger teams.   

It is one game, but I think we need to get some more options in the offseason.

Re: KO has been embarrassing
« Reply #119 on: March 11, 2017, 07:30:32 AM »

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Not sure if I'm watching Kelly try to rebound or if I'm watching a high school girls volleyball game.


LOL so true. I have never seen a man that big who plays like he is 5" tall.