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« on: February 15, 2017, 10:02:57 PM »

Offline rollie mass

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marcus is crazy good on defense
how many offensive fouls did he draw
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Crap

Sully called and thought the post was  Free

EIGHT MEALS

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 10:07:57 PM »

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marcus is crazy good on defense
Of course he is -- as evidenced by the fact that for the last two seasons he managed to play ~30 minutes and help our team win despite being historically awful on offense.
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This game really really makes me not want to draft Markell Fultz
Warning: I am a Marucs Smart homer

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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2017, 10:18:52 PM »

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Bradley seems rejuvenated for defense, but Smart has clearly passed him. If Marcus can keep improving at pg, I don't see how any team is better than us at guards. We have to put the ultimate super team Golden State way into the background. The goal has become to make it to the Finals. If we lost to GS then, I'd take it. But I'm not even conceding that. We have to keep building on this and get the #1 or #2 seed.

There was no guarantee any of these guys would take leaps. There must be something about the Celtics and Brad Stevens that ensures success.

I said the other day Marcus could become our best player. I was mocked.

His defense is insane. He is better than Tony Allen. Marcus Smart must be the greatest defensive guard of all time. He is the Larry Bird or Isaiah Thomas equivalent for defense.

There should be an inbuilt advantage for offense over defense, but Smart takes that away.

I've never seen anything like this and it's been close to three years he's been at it showing signs. He is now doing it play after play after play. I wasn't around for Bill Russell, but maybe Marcus is reminding the old-timers how a great defensive player can dominate games. It's not all about glamour and divas.

I think we can win it all. I'm grateful to the team for growing and watching my back for being excessively positive.

Crowder made a leap. James Young all of a sudden looks like a real pro. How the heck did that happen? He's never shown much, if anything.

So yes, I am going to continue to ignore the negative posts and savor this.

This is not the halfway point of the season. We are headed towards the finish. The schedule looks very easy the rest of the way except for a couple games. I'm not saying we'll go on an insane w-l record the rest of the way because I don't want to jinx it. I'll own this blog if the Celtics win 60 games.

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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2017, 10:21:25 PM »

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i claiming my place isaiah ties havilchek and marcus goes in record books tying bird for steals
it was worth staying up til 3:30-i'm watching from UK
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I've always felt like Bradley would be the perfect sixth man on this team. If we keep all of our guards, would BS keep Smart and IT together to start going forward?

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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2017, 10:41:57 PM »

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Earlier this season I said that I still had hope Marcus Smart could make a leap and show the star potential we drafted him for.  The third season is usually a make or break season for a young player.  The 3rd season is usually when young guys "break out".  Because Smart's first two seasons were limited to injury, I pointed out that he wouldn't have 164 games (two full seasons of NBA basketball) under his belt until his 36th game of the year.  It was an admittedly ridiculous assertion and completely arbitrary, but I said I wasn't going to really start judging Smart until his 37th game of the season.  I was cutting him a ton of slack.  His 37th game of the season would technically be when his "3rd season" started in my eyes.  Anything leading up to that was just him getting his 164 game reps. 

Using that ridiculous "cutting Marcus some slack" handicap, technically Marcus' 3rd season didn't start until January 13th against Atlanta.  At that point he had 164 games under his belt.  Atlanta was a pretty rough shooting performance typical of Marcus... 2-13 shooting... but I mean... it was his first game of the season, right?  Gotta give the kid some time before rushing to judge him.   While we're at it... how about we just write off his first 5 games of the fake season (Jan 13 to Jan 24th).  His fake 3rd season had just started... you're just getting in a rhythm your first 5 games of a season.  It would be unfair to Marcus to judge him based on what he did that early in his fake 3rd season.

So then we get to Jan 25th against Houston.  Marcus has now two seasons worth of NBA basketball under his belt (164 games).  He's also gotten through 5 extra games or rust-shaking.  It's time to officially start judging Marcus Smart.  He's on the clock.  If he doesn't show some break-out potential at this point, it's unlikely to ever happen. 

Luckily, Marcus showed up and had a solid game.  7 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds and 3 steals with decent 40% shooting ... he made his only 3-pointer.  Way to go Marcus.  That's how you start your fake 3rd season + 5 games buffer!  Keep it up!  Boston gets the win.

Since that game, Boston has won 11 of 12 games.  Marcus has been a key part of that.  His field goal percentage (knock on wood) has been very respectable.  His last 6 games suggest that maybe... just maybe... he's finally breaking out.   

I was  admittedly disappointed with his level of play through 2 seasons, but it was almost entirely based on his offensive ability.  It's just highly unlikely a team can be successful in the modern NBA with a starting guard who can't shoot.  You can't have an offensive liability at a primary scoring position.  The recent Ringer article about Rajon Rondo covers this:  https://theringer.com/well-never-see-another-rajon-rondo-chicago-bulls-nba-b1059da62edf#.d88inpevc ... If Marcus couldn't shoot, he was unlikely to be anything more than a defensive role player.   But thankfully, we're seeing signs of his shooting improving.  It's no coincidence that during this 12 game stretch, Marcus has shot an respectable NBA-level 44% from the field and a better than respectable NBA-level 37% from three.   If he can keep doing that while maintaining the exceptional defense and intangibles we've always known he can bring, Boston will benefit greatly and he could genuinely reach stardom. 

It's a tiny sample size and he could follow up these performances by rattling off a 20 straight games bricking 20% from the field, but there's a reasonable case to be made that he's showing real improvement.  I really hope that if we keep him, this level of play continues.  But if we don't, it's pretty great that his trade value is peaking at the perfect time.  If we keep the Brooklyn pick and it lands top 2, we're adding another guard to an already loaded guard rotation of Thomas, Bradley, Smart, and sometimes Rozier.   Either Smart or Bradley is going to take a massive minutes hit if that happens.   It's going to be really interesting to see how this plays out.

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2017, 10:42:05 PM »

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This game really really makes me not want to draft Markell Fultz

I wouldn't mind drafting him and doing a trade with whoever picks Josh Jackson.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 11:21:18 PM »

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This game really really makes me not want to draft Markell Fultz

I wouldn't mind drafting him and doing a trade with whoever picks Josh Jackson.

I would be psyched if the Celtics get either Fultz or Jackson.

There are plenty of minutes for 3 guards. Smart can play as a small ball 3.
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 11:28:22 PM »

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I can't believe people were criticizing Smart and claiming Rozier would be better this year  ;D

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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2017, 11:45:38 PM »

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Mahcus needs to start.

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2017, 11:50:54 PM »

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I can't believe people were criticizing Smart and claiming Rozier would be better this year  ;D

summer league madness! we'd been without celtic basketball for MONTHS!!
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Smart, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Kemba, Grant Williams, Sleepy Williams, Edwards!

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2017, 11:57:28 PM »

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Bradley seems rejuvenated for defense, but Smart has clearly passed him. If Marcus can keep improving at pg, I don't see how any team is better than us at guards. We have to put the ultimate super team Golden State way into the background. The goal has become to make it to the Finals. If we lost to GS then, I'd take it. But I'm not even conceding that. We have to keep building on this and get the #1 or #2 seed.

There was no guarantee any of these guys would take leaps. There must be something about the Celtics and Brad Stevens that ensures success.

I said the other day Marcus could become our best player. I was mocked.

His defense is insane. He is better than Tony Allen. Marcus Smart must be the greatest defensive guard of all time. He is the Larry Bird or Isaiah Thomas equivalent for defense.

There should be an inbuilt advantage for offense over defense, but Smart takes that away.

I've never seen anything like this and it's been close to three years he's been at it showing signs. He is now doing it play after play after play. I wasn't around for Bill Russell, but maybe Marcus is reminding the old-timers how a great defensive player can dominate games. It's not all about glamour and divas.

I think we can win it all. I'm grateful to the team for growing and watching my back for being excessively positive.

Crowder made a leap. James Young all of a sudden looks like a real pro. How the heck did that happen? He's never shown much, if anything.

So yes, I am going to continue to ignore the negative posts and savor this.

This is not the halfway point of the season. We are headed towards the finish. The schedule looks very easy the rest of the way except for a couple games. I'm not saying we'll go on an insane w-l record the rest of the way because I don't want to jinx it. I'll own this blog if the Celtics win 60 games.
A lot of bold stuff in this post lol

firstoff, when you say we have the best backcourt do you mean, not including GSW? or that we are way better than GSW? 1st statement Im OK with, second one absolutely not.

2nd Smart isnt our best player. or at least Brad Stevens doesnt think so. He is 5th in MPG and 3rd among guards there. Brad was also asked who he thought should replace love in the asg and he said Horford, not Smart. I do think that since AB's injury he has impacted winning more than anyone except Thomas.

3rd, best defensive gaurd of all time? waaaaaaay to early for that my friend. That said, Ive never seen any gaurds this good and versatile on D at this age.

also why the hell would you own the blog if the Cs won 60 games? you predicted theyd win at least 65 at the beginning of the season. Thats already impossible.

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2017, 12:07:14 AM »

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Earlier this season I said that I still had hope Marcus Smart could make a leap and show the star potential we drafted him for.  The third season is usually a make or break season for a young player.  The 3rd season is usually when young guys "break out".  Because Smart's first two seasons were limited to injury, I pointed out that he wouldn't have 164 games (two full seasons of NBA basketball) under his belt until his 36th game of the year.  It was an admittedly ridiculous assertion and completely arbitrary, but I said I wasn't going to really start judging Smart until his 37th game of the season.  I was cutting him a ton of slack.  His 37th game of the season would technically be when his "3rd season" started in my eyes.  Anything leading up to that was just him getting his 164 game reps. 

Using that ridiculous "cutting Marcus some slack" handicap, technically Marcus' 3rd season didn't start until January 13th against Atlanta.  At that point he had 164 games under his belt.  Atlanta was a pretty rough shooting performance typical of Marcus... 2-13 shooting... but I mean... it was his first game of the season, right?  Gotta give the kid some time before rushing to judge him.   While we're at it... how about we just write off his first 5 games of the fake season (Jan 13 to Jan 24th).  His fake 3rd season had just started... you're just getting in a rhythm your first 5 games of a season.  It would be unfair to Marcus to judge him based on what he did that early in his fake 3rd season.

So then we get to Jan 25th against Houston.  Marcus has now two seasons worth of NBA basketball under his belt (164 games).  He's also gotten through 5 extra games or rust-shaking.  It's time to officially start judging Marcus Smart.  He's on the clock.  If he doesn't show some break-out potential at this point, it's unlikely to ever happen. 

Luckily, Marcus showed up and had a solid game.  7 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds and 3 steals with decent 40% shooting ... he made his only 3-pointer.  Way to go Marcus.  That's how you start your fake 3rd season + 5 games buffer!  Keep it up!  Boston gets the win.

Since that game, Boston has won 11 of 12 games.  Marcus has been a key part of that.  His field goal percentage (knock on wood) has been very respectable.  His last 6 games suggest that maybe... just maybe... he's finally breaking out.   

I was  admittedly disappointed with his level of play through 2 seasons, but it was almost entirely based on his offensive ability.  It's just highly unlikely a team can be successful in the modern NBA with a starting guard who can't shoot.  You can't have an offensive liability at a primary scoring position.  The recent Ringer article about Rajon Rondo covers this:  https://theringer.com/well-never-see-another-rajon-rondo-chicago-bulls-nba-b1059da62edf#.d88inpevc ... If Marcus couldn't shoot, he was unlikely to be anything more than a defensive role player.   But thankfully, we're seeing signs of his shooting improving.  It's no coincidence that during this 12 game stretch, Marcus has shot an respectable NBA-level 44% from the field and a better than respectable NBA-level 37% from three.   If he can keep doing that while maintaining the exceptional defense and intangibles we've always known he can bring, Boston will benefit greatly and he could genuinely reach stardom. 

It's a tiny sample size and he could follow up these performances by rattling off a 20 straight games bricking 20% from the field, but there's a reasonable case to be made that he's showing real improvement.  I really hope that if we keep him, this level of play continues.  But if we don't, it's pretty great that his trade value is peaking at the perfect time.  If we keep the Brooklyn pick and it lands top 2, we're adding another guard to an already loaded guard rotation of Thomas, Bradley, Smart, and sometimes Rozier.   Either Smart or Bradley is going to take a massive minutes hit if that happens.   It's going to be really interesting to see how this plays out.
I think he has really figured out what he can do in the NBA. His handle tightened up and the game slowed down for him which allows him to showcase his very good court-vision. Most importantly he learned he can box anyoone out. He is learning how to put defenders on his hip move them around and get to spots he  is comfortable.

This change allows him to get shots he can make and his improved form leads me to believe his improved shooting is more improvement than fluke.

His playmaking and not good but no longer historically bad scoring make him a guy who helps on offense.

With his defense, intangibles, and knack for big-plays and loose balls, helping on offense is more than he needs to be able to do.

I think he will eventually have an all-star level impact for a team, but he will be branded a super-role player because all-stars have to score and he wont ever be more than a 15/16 ppg guy imo.