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Re: green has awoken
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2017, 08:07:06 PM »

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Green has helped us win a couple games just like Brad Stevens and Rollie predicted.

Nothing is ever good enough for some Celtics Bloggers. I've seen Rollie get trolled on probably more than any of us. I'm grateful he and a bunch of others do post because they are grounded in reality and deserve to enjoy the fruits of this amazing team and trajectory.

He was also correct about Jerebko.

The Celtics are a team and system at this point. I watched a couple videos on the Celtics' five out strategy. I never really thought about it too much. To me, it looked like motion offense and shooting a lot of threes. It is not a complex system, but there is a learning curve to it, and it obviously helps if the players are comfortable with and able to work off of their teammates.

So, I am trying to say that Green might have ended up in a negative feedback loop in which there was no room for him to find his niche. His only opportunities were in games that were dragging and Brad said to himself, okay, I am forced to shake this up. However, now that we have had a few players dropping like flies or taking time off for personal reasons, it is next man up time. It seems easier to be the next man up than to get thrown into bad games and expected to give the team a lift despite bench splinters still lodged in their calcifying games.

And on a side note, if one considers how the Celtics go about it on offense, they will start to see how guys like Smart and Olynyk have been gelling with our top player Isaiah, and he with them. We get better as seasons continue for a reason. It can no longer be seen as a statistical fluke. Stevens is a coach, teacher and friend to these guys. Our situation is the opposite of cynicism. This is old-school pure basketball which leaves room for growth and perhaps even miracle finishes.

This is why Danny must be very careful in who he brings in. Would divas such as Cousins or Melo be able to adjust and play within the team's structure? Or would they be disruptive and provide us with hollow stats and losses.

I had wondered why Danny kept Young over Hunter. It was kind of a who cares either way decision and probably utterly meaningless, but James had one extra year of conditioning in regards to training for this specific team. The C's motto is we are one superstar. That makes a lot of sense. It's probably why some players do well for us and then are not the same player on a different team, say Evan Turner.

The negative people are way out there and a drain on others.

We started the season 13-12 and have gone 22-7 since a loss on December 14th. That's a .759 winning percentage. How can people complain? It seems to be the same folks every time. So are they being serious trying to learn and share info or are they just dropping parasitical posts?

Life is too short to waste time reading toxic words.

Re: green has awoken
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2017, 11:27:40 PM »

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Green has helped us win a couple games just like Brad Stevens and Rollie predicted.

Nothing is ever good enough for some Celtics Bloggers. I've seen Rollie get trolled on probably more than any of us. I'm grateful he and a bunch of others do post because they are grounded in reality and deserve to enjoy the fruits of this amazing team and trajectory.

He was also correct about Jerebko.

The Celtics are a team and system at this point. I watched a couple videos on the Celtics' five out strategy. I never really thought about it too much. To me, it looked like motion offense and shooting a lot of threes. It is not a complex system, but there is a learning curve to it, and it obviously helps if the players are comfortable with and able to work off of their teammates.

So, I am trying to say that Green might have ended up in a negative feedback loop in which there was no room for him to find his niche. His only opportunities were in games that were dragging and Brad said to himself, okay, I am forced to shake this up. However, now that we have had a few players dropping like flies or taking time off for personal reasons, it is next man up time. It seems easier to be the next man up than to get thrown into bad games and expected to give the team a lift despite bench splinters still lodged in their calcifying games.

And on a side note, if one considers how the Celtics go about it on offense, they will start to see how guys like Smart and Olynyk have been gelling with our top player Isaiah, and he with them. We get better as seasons continue for a reason. It can no longer be seen as a statistical fluke. Stevens is a coach, teacher and friend to these guys. Our situation is the opposite of cynicism. This is old-school pure basketball which leaves room for growth and perhaps even miracle finishes.

This is why Danny must be very careful in who he brings in. Would divas such as Cousins or Melo be able to adjust and play within the team's structure? Or would they be disruptive and provide us with hollow stats and losses.

I had wondered why Danny kept Young over Hunter. It was kind of a who cares either way decision and probably utterly meaningless, but James had one extra year of conditioning in regards to training for this specific team. The C's motto is we are one superstar. That makes a lot of sense. It's probably why some players do well for us and then are not the same player on a different team, say Evan Turner.

The negative people are way out there and a drain on others.

We started the season 13-12 and have gone 22-7 since a loss on December 14th. That's a .759 winning percentage. How can people complain? It seems to be the same folks every time. So are they being serious trying to learn and share info or are they just dropping parasitical posts?

Life is too short to waste time reading toxic words.
Pretty unfair to label the posters in this thread that don't agree with you and rollie as negative and toxic. Just about everyone except one person was respectful and simply stated they think Green isn't a guy you can rely on consistently. Its been nearly a consensus that we view Green as a player that is nice to have because when he does get hot, he can be a special scorer. But he doesn't do that very often and because of his defense and inability to really contribute in other ways when he isn't scoring, he becomes a net negative. I think as a vet minimum contract guy, Green is nice to have on this team because he can be a major factor in winning games a few times a year. But he is what he is...a very end of the rotation or end of the bench player on a good team. That's not hate or trolling or toxic...its just what we all think.

Re: green has awoken
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2017, 05:05:21 AM »

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when we signed green i went researching and established a positive relationship with isaiah,a good season at phoenix and an improving attitude to defense at miami ,as was quoted by players
i found quotes from brad about game planning and green being scary
i hoped brad/isaiah and the celtics could sprinkle  some turner dust on him
isaiah said he could shoot and i was tired watching young and rj flail away
i love springy players that have fast twitch-i called green a weapon for brad ,a stilleto versus a dagger

i have seen green with the kids at practice in waltham and-he must be good for jaylen playing in one on ones and three on three-he can relate to jaylen his experiences as a young high flyer

-my attention got focused on nader this year because we lacked a consistent 3 point shooter to replace rj hunter and young
brown has come along quickly but has  a hip strain or hip flexor which could effect a jumper like brown

so hopefully, brad gets to use green and he is effective
 green really has one job shoot and bring energy and be a good teammate
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Re: green has awoken
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2017, 05:45:43 AM »

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I've liked what I've seen from Green all season long - when he's played decent minutes, he's almost always played well.

But for some bizarre reason Brad Stevens insists on continuing his constant tendency to set bewildering rotations.

It's the one knock on him as a coach - as great a mind as he is, his substitution / rotation patterns often make zero sense.

Re: green has awoken
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2017, 06:02:40 AM »

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when we signed green i went researching and established a positive relationship with isaiah,a good season at phoenix and an improving attitude to defense at miami ,as was quoted by players
i found quotes from brad about game planning and green being scary
i hoped brad/isaiah and the celtics could sprinkle  some turner dust on him
isaiah said he could shoot and i was tired watching young and rj flail away
i love springy players that have fast twitch-i called green a weapon for brad ,a stilleto versus a dagger

i have seen green with the kids at practice in waltham and-he must be good for jaylen playing in one on ones and three on three-he can relate to jaylen his experiences as a young high flyer

-my attention got focused on nader this year because we lacked a consistent 3 point shooter to replace rj hunter and young
brown has come along quickly but has  a hip strain or hip flexor which could effect a jumper like brown

so hopefully, brad gets to use green and he is effective
 green really has one job shoot and bring energy and be a good teammate
yes.

He should and will not have a regular role in the rotation. If you need a burst of energy or scoring, throw him in and he can generate offense out of nowhere. If hes hot, ride his scoring and energy for a while. If hes cold pull him.

Re: green has awoken
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2017, 06:25:07 AM »

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when we signed green i went researching and established a positive relationship with isaiah,a good season at phoenix and an improving attitude to defense at miami ,as was quoted by players
i found quotes from brad about game planning and green being scary
i hoped brad/isaiah and the celtics could sprinkle  some turner dust on him
isaiah said he could shoot and i was tired watching young and rj flail away
i love springy players that have fast twitch-i called green a weapon for brad ,a stilleto versus a dagger

i have seen green with the kids at practice in waltham and-he must be good for jaylen playing in one on ones and three on three-he can relate to jaylen his experiences as a young high flyer

-my attention got focused on nader this year because we lacked a consistent 3 point shooter to replace rj hunter and young
brown has come along quickly but has  a hip strain or hip flexor which could effect a jumper like brown

so hopefully, brad gets to use green and he is effective
 green really has one job shoot and bring energy and be a good teammate
That's three jobs.

Re: green has awoken
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2017, 08:05:37 AM »

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Rollie, to be fair you've been hyping up Green since his signing. Dispite his many disappearing acts this season, I've never seen you post a negative word on his struggles. However, he has 2 good games and you author a  "Green has awoken" thread. So in the spirit of impartiality, are you going to follow that up with a "Green is comatose" thread the next time he strings together a few Green-like games?

Re: green has awoken
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2017, 09:08:37 AM »

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Stellar dialogue by everyone in this thread, both pro and con, and everything in between.

I tend to side with Rollie's optimism. The developmental process is one of the great existential mysteries. Some people just take a while to get it all together, whatever the reasons, especially in sports.

It's obviously taken Gerald a long time to process life in the NBA. He's hung in there quite admirably and it appears now that he may be on the verge of consistently sustaining the level he's mostly just teased us with over the years. He's obviously not worn out physically from overuse; he's still got a young body. He's a good guy. Let's cheer for him and be hopeful that the best is still to come and that Brad has the good sense to play him enough for this to be realized.

Even James Young, the very personification of hopelessness, has been showing signs of life lately. You never know.   

Re: green has awoken
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2017, 09:18:44 AM »

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Rollie, to be fair you've been hyping up Green since his signing. Dispite his many disappearing acts this season, I've never seen you post a negative word on his struggles. However, he has 2 good games and you author a  "Green has awoken" thread. So in the spirit of impartiality, are you going to follow that up with a "Green is comatose" thread the next time he strings together a few Green-like games?

 several days/games before he had his good games -i posted under subject"crowder shake green and tell him to get scary"--- so in the spirit of being wrong  i think you owe an apology

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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2017, 09:24:38 AM »

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Re: green has awoken
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2017, 09:26:23 AM »

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its just what we all think

We?

It's = it is
Its = possessive pronoun

I'm not calling any Celtics Blogger toxic. I am calling out their posts as toxic. As to who they are in real life or anything like that, I couldn't care less. I do need to care less about those actual posts. I tend to just scroll past them. It could be time to cut back drastically on visiting this website.

I just want readers to know that many of the comments dropped on this blog have nothing to do with the true Boston Celtics fan base. There is no we, and even if I'm wrong and there is one, it's not them.

Re: green has awoken
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2017, 09:33:14 AM »

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Rollie, to be fair you've been hyping up Green since his signing. Dispite his many disappearing acts this season, I've never seen you post a negative word on his struggles. However, he has 2 good games and you author a  "Green has awoken" thread. So in the spirit of impartiality, are you going to follow that up with a "Green is comatose" thread the next time he strings together a few Green-like games?

 several days/games before he had his good games -i posted under subject"crowder shake green and tell him to get scary"--- so in the spirit of being wrong  i think you owe an apology

Not sure where you posted that or what you actually said, but I looked up your posts and below is the only thing I found in the last 6 weeks on you making a thread on Gerald Green. Maybe I missed it and if so my advanced apologies.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=88561.0

another isaiah "coup"-Gerald GREEN

the moon and stars aligned on this one-ainge liked this kid,brad feared tis kid and isaiah and green had previously combined their energy and gifts

Re: green has awoken
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2017, 09:47:47 AM »

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quess you missed that-aptly titled-cgreen=crowder give him a shake"when are you going to get dangerous"--within that subject said he was shooting like crap

Re: green has awoken
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2017, 09:49:15 AM »

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Stellar dialogue by everyone in this thread, both pro and con, and everything in between.

I tend to side with Rollie's optimism. The developmental process is one of the great existential mysteries. Some people just take a while to get it all together, whatever the reasons, especially in sports.

It's obviously taken Gerald a long time to process life in the NBA. He's hung in there quite admirably and it appears now that he may be on the verge of consistently sustaining the level he's mostly just teased us with over the years. He's obviously not worn out physically from overuse; he's still got a young body. He's a good guy. Let's cheer for him and be hopeful that the best is still to come and that Brad has the good sense to play him enough for this to be realized.

Even James Young, the very personification of hopelessness, has been showing signs of life lately. You never know.
Green has been at his peak level since his stints in New Jersey and Phoenix.

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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2017, 09:55:15 AM »

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quess you missed that-aptly titled-cgreen=crowder give him a shake"when are you going to get dangerous"--within that subject said he was shooting like crap

Rollie, I don't want to get into a back and forth with you. If you think "give him a shake when you're going to get dangerous" is the ying to the "moon and stars have aligned on this one (Green)" yang then so be it. Obviously you think higher of Green then most people do. This includes NBA GM's who in the last two summers have only offered him consecutive 1 year vet minimum contracts (Heat and C's). Again, if you think you're being objective that's fine. However, don't be shocked when people disagree with you on Green, especially after having seen him for the past 12-13 seasons.