It's Very Early to Look at this, But....

[straightouttabahstun]

How the heck are we going to keep all these players? IT is going to get the max. Smart is gonna command some mula. I think Avery is gone. Horford is obviously getting paid. What about when the time comes to possibly extend Jaylen, he's already shown he'll be ballin' in this league. And then having to potentially do the same for our other lottery picks that will come in? Yeesh. Ainge is going to gray even more thinking about this.

[hwangjini_1]

A good set of questions, but what are your thoughts on all this?

What does your research and homework show us might happen?  If you added some of the info you used to raise your questions, it would be helpful to all of us.

For example, what will the salary cap look like over the next few years?

What are peer players getting theses day?

What is the exact timing of each player coming out of their current contracts?

Once you share these with the board, I am sure some great answers will come out.

Thanks.

[incoherent]

We can pay all these players if we want to keep them.  The salary cap is pretty high and we have bird rights to most.

I doubt Danny is stressed out, he is in one of the best positions of any GM in NBA history.  None of his cap space is tied up, he can pick and choose who he wants to pay, he has plenty of 1st round picks and top 5 team.

[Surferdad]

Not too early at all.  I have to think this is in the forefront of DA's mind as the trade deadline approaches.

hwangjini makes good points about how to add value to threads, not just put out ideas without homework.

[JOMVP]

Avery will be the odd man out. Love what he does, but he can't stay on the court and will be paid huge dollars for something we can replace through the draft. We are 100 percent keeping the 2017 brooklyn pick. Fultz and IT can play together. KO will also be gone so we dont have to pay him. IT and Smart will stay Celtics.

[Ogaju]

Not too early at all.  I have to think this is in the forefront of DA's mind as the trade deadline approaches.

hwangjini makes good points about how to add value to threads, not just put out ideas without homework.

there is nothing wrong with floating a topic that the wonks can then trash out. Please don't stifle speech.

[OldSchoolDude]

As good as IT is and as much as he has done for the team, I do not belive he will get a Max contact.  I have believed for a long time and still do, that IT was brought her to be a scoring spark of the bench much like Vinny Johnson from the Detroit bad boys days.  We have no one that can score like him right now but I believe given a strong off-season and the green light to play his game Brown can be a go to guy.  Also if we draft Fultz, that guy can flat out score at will, so like IT he can get his own shoot. IT is a free agent right after the 2018 draft and that draft also had some nice talent. We all talk about the big men, but what about Doncic and Porter.  They both look like big time scorers and they both have great size. 

Right now with a back court of IT and Bradley with Crowder as the wing, IT has to be the guy.  Also we're small: 5'8, 6'2, 6'6.  But with a back court of Fultz and Brown with Porter at the wing will not lack for scoring.  This also makes us big: 6'4, 6'7, 6'9.  Not only are we becoming bigger we are more athletic and can match up better defensively.  It doesn't have to be Fultz and Porter either, we could draft Ball and Doncic.  That would be a back court of Ball and Dincic with Brown on the wing.  Again great size at 6'6, 6'7, 6'7. 

We could even get Hayward as aFA then use e the 2018 pick on a Big like Bamma, which would leave us a back court of Fultz/Ball, Brown and Hayward on the wing. The reason IT is able to do what he does is we need him to do it all.  We need him to be the guy.  We really only have complementary players.  IT is the only go to scorer we have, but we are about to add some more. Come 2018 IT will not get a max deal from us and unless he talks a back seat and the pay scale appropriate for a 6th man, he'll be on a different team.

[iadera]

We cannot keep this situation for too long. There are too manny bargain-contracts and good youngsters that we can keep them all together with IT, Al and Bradley. A trade or several trades will come soon, now or in the postseason. Some of them are maybe already ex-Celtics in Danny's mind (Zeller, Olynyk, Rozier,...). Our roster actually begs for next step (trades).

[Real World]

It's impossible to keep everyone.  With the new CBA you should only dedicate the max/big money to the players that are difference makers.  This is, in part, why the Celtics are desperate to make a move for a star player.  They know they can't keep everyone, and are going to lose players moving forward due to contract demands and the draft pick pipe line.  They need to make a big deal before the end of the coming offseason. 

[OldSchoolDude]

We cannot keep this situation for too long. There are too manny bargain-contracts and good youngsters that we can keep them all together with IT, Al and Bradley. A trade or several trades will come soon, now or in the postseason. Some of them are maybe already ex-Celtics in Danny's mind (Zeller, Olynyk, Rozier,...). Our roster actually begs for next step (trades).

I actually don't see a big trade going down.  I think Danny would rather let a player walk then make a bad trade.  Teams want to take advantage of the celtics.  They tried to force Danny into bad deals on draft day.  We should have been able to get Buttler or one of the Philly bigs with a reasonable trade but they wanted to fleece us.   I can see us making a run at Noel in Free Agency but not giving up as much as Philly would want in a trade.   There Price to us for Okafor was much higher than their price to New Orleans,  With Noel and Ibaka potential FA options the only trade for a big that is reasonable would be for Vucevic.  He shouldn't cost too much and has a good contract.  The problem is we have too many assets and teams think they can get over on us.

We can let 4 of our Bigs walk at the end of the season and we have two more coming in Yabuselle and Zizic.  That lets us keep two Bigs, but only one if we sign a FA Big.   So the way I see it the most likely course of action is we throw a big contract at Noel and keep one of Jerebko or KO.  If we can get Jerebko to take another one year deal we may be able to keep both Jerebko and KO but we'd have to stash Yabuselle another year. 

[hwangjini_1]

Not too early at all.  I have to think this is in the forefront of DA's mind as the trade deadline approaches.

hwangjini makes good points about how to add value to threads, not just put out ideas without homework.

there is nothing wrong with floating a topic that the wonks can then trash out. Please don't stifle speech.

please take care to learn that "stifle" is not the same things as "provide suggestions for improvement."

OH NO!!!! now am i stomping and stifling ogaju's free speech?!?!!?!?!??! 

[TheSundanceKid]

Not too early at all.  I have to think this is in the forefront of DA's mind as the trade deadline approaches.

hwangjini makes good points about how to add value to threads, not just put out ideas without homework.

there is nothing wrong with floating a topic that the wonks can then trash out. Please don't stifle speech.

please take care to learn that "stifle" is not the same things as "provide suggestions for improvement."

OH NO!!!! now am i stomping and stifling ogaju's free speech?!?!!?!?!??! 

You could of course offer your own opinions alongside your suggestions...

Or would that get in the way of a good lecture from hwangjini?

[PaulAllen]

With the next couple predictions of the salary cap rising to 102mil next year and up to 115mil the year after its pretty easy to keep this team intact... even better if the end up keeping the next two lottery picks instead of another max contract ...

By the numbers you can max IT and give Bradley say 16-18mil a year ...
Johnson 12mil, Jorekbo 5mil, and Zeller 8mil all come off the books ...
Yabuesle and Zizic are rookie deals if they prove they can play ..

So if you look at a future core of IT, Brown, Horford, Bradley, Crowder, Yab, Zizic, Rozier and next two picks they would account for around 100 mil of the 2018 cap ... Wyc has never been shy to pay the luxury as long as they are a title contending team..

So left out possibly would be Smart and Olynck but again thats how the NBA goes...

[CoachBo]

With the next couple predictions of the salary cap rising to 102mil next year and up to 115mil the year after its pretty easy to keep this team intact... even better if the end up keeping the next two lottery picks instead of another max contract ...

By the numbers you can max IT and give Bradley say 16-18mil a year ...
Johnson 12mil, Jorekbo 5mil, and Zeller 8mil all come off the books ...
Yabuesle and Zizic are rookie deals if they prove they can play ..

So if you look at a future core of IT, Brown, Horford, Bradley, Crowder, Yab, Zizic, Rozier and next two picks they would account for around 100 mil of the 2018 cap ... Wyc has never been shy to pay the luxury as long as they are a title contending team..

So left out possibly would be Smart and Olynck but again thats how the NBA goes...

Keeping this team intact would be a monumental mistake. It is time to thin out the herd of draft choices.

[Boris Badenov]

Looks to me like we have 7 players under guaranteed contract for next year:

IT
Crowder
Bradley
Horford
Jaylen
Marcus
Rozier

For all practical purposes, we have one 1st rounder and one 2nd rounder this year.

And then, Yab and Zizic are expected to come over.

That gets us to 11 guys. I understand that we may not want to field a team with 6 rookie/second year players, but it seems that we can easily ADD vets (or re-sign our own, or trade for a few), getting us back to a solid 8-9 man rotation, without a roster crunch.

For example, if we trade AJ and KO plus a future pick or two, and bring back another high-level vet (big man hopefully), we will have:

New Vet/Zizic
Horford/Vet/Yab
Crowder/Brown
Bradley/Brown
IT/Smart

And then you have a top 4 pick who in all likelihood will be slotted in for 15 minutes a game. That's a rotation with 6 vets, Brown and a top 3-4 pick. We can easily sign a few guys like JJ, Green, etc. (them or guys like them) to fill out the vet depth. Yab will spend much of the year in Maine, most likely, unless he's more ready than people think which is a nice problem to have.

Am I missing something here? Where's the crisis?