Jaylen Brown shouldn't bulk up too much

[CelticPride2016]

I see how Jaylen and Jae can both become key Celtics for years to come and not be redundant. Depending on opposition as styles make the fight, Brown looks effective at both shooting guard and small forward. Jae can pass for a power forward at times.

This is now or never for Rozier. Avery will be back after the all-star break and Jaylen has been getting big minutes at shooting guard.

Mickey and Young seem done for the season. Jackson is even more of an afterthought. Rozier may soon join the Gerald Green tier with Zeller, too, as the deep bench.

If healthy, we have a pretty good team for a shortened rotation. I mean how our playoff team is shaping up. It's because our best players are adept at playing more than one position.

pg Isaiah, Marcus
sg Avery, Marcus, Jaylen
sf Jae, Jaylen, Marcus, Jonas
pf Amir, Kelly, Jonas, Jae, Al
c Al, Amir, Kelly

That's currently our probable pure playoff roster, those nine guys.

We have just under two weeks to go for the trade deadline. 

[nickagneta]

I am confused. What does your post have to do with the title of the thread? I thought I was coming in here for the possible discussion of Jaylen Brown needing not to bulk up because he would be better served staying lighter and faster to play the SG position more. Instead you have a post that reviews our roster.

[CelticPride2016]

Discussion cannot be forced. It either happens or doesn't.

Jaylen should stay lanky and fast. Sure. He should play shooting guard and back up Jae at small forward.

Every player can only be analyzed in terms of the team as a single organism.

Sully got fat because there was an opening at center. It helped get him minutes. Kelly had to bulk up. He did that a couple years ago. Maybe he has more to go or is all set.

We need a tall shooting guard. It looks like it will be Jaylen. Gerald is not as good of an option, although he's a nice just in case option for certain situations. Maybe Jaylen should bulk a little, but not too much if it hurts his skills as an sg. Yes, I think he looks good at that position. Maybe he is a bit too skinny right now to defend some small forwards.

If we're going all in with Isaiah, we'd be better off pairing him with Marcus and Jaylen, than Avery. Ugh, I hate being negative. I'm just thinking out loud from one Celtics fan's perspective. I am up to date following this team and have done so for years. The last Big Three years were garbage, but this is making it all worth it.

Writing helps me sort out how I'm feeling about it. No one's forcing you to read it.

[trickybilly]

Confused as Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. this thread!

But I tend to agree with that second to last sentence about Avery, a situation is developing between Marcus, Avery, IT. All are going to demand biiiig money (yes, I include Marcus). Really hard to blow 80mill on three guys (not forgetting that including Al's deal puts us over the cap).

Avery is feelin more and more like the odd man out, and yes, having Jaylen as a 6'7 starting 2-spot who is a solid contributor makes losing Avery stomachable.

He's actually similar to LeBron. Height, body, skillset. I don't think it will hurt his speed to get a bit bigger.

[moiso]

Discussion cannot be forced. It either happens or doesn't.

Jaylen should stay lanky and fast. Sure. He should play shooting guard and back up Jae at small forward.

Every player can only be analyzed in terms of the team as a single organism.

Sully got fat because there was an opening at center. It helped get him minutes. Kelly had to bulk up. He did that a couple years ago. Maybe he has more to go or is all set.

We need a tall shooting guard. It looks like it will be Jaylen. Gerald is not as good of an option, although he's a nice just in case option for certain situations. Maybe Jaylen should bulk a little, but not too much if it hurts his skills as an sg. Yes, I think he looks good at that position. Maybe he is a bit too skinny right now to defend some small forwards.

If we're going all in with Isaiah, we'd be better off pairing him with Marcus and Jaylen, than Avery. Ugh, I hate being negative. I'm just thinking out loud from one Celtics fan's perspective. I am up to date following this team and have done so for years. The last Big Three years were garbage, but this is making it all worth it.

Writing helps me sort out how I'm feeling about it. No one's forcing you to read it.

Don't force it, man!  Take what the defense gives you!

[Csfan1984]

I agree JB has to keep his speed. He did a decent job in Portland. As did Rozier who is still showing positives just unfortunate team is stacked at both guard spots when AB gets back.

I do feel you have to mix in guys to keep them sharp. If the C's played the same 10 guys every game other players wouldn't be able to step right in when there is trouble.

[PAOBoston]

Sully got fat because there was an opening at center. It helped get him minutes. Kelly had to bulk up. He did that a couple years ago. Maybe he has more to go or is all set.

Sully got fat because he was lazy and ate himself off the roster. It didn't have anything to do with him playing center.

[Green-Bananas]

Keep writing CP2016, I read just about everything you put out there. I rarely post stuff because someone usually beats me to it and writes what I was going to say.

That said, I disagree with you. Marcus is solid and is an elite defender, Lebron is bulky but is quick and can defend with the best, when he wants. I think it will help Jaylen's game to add some muscle, during the off season. Next year he will be able to defend the 2,3, & 4 and added weight will give him strength on offense.

[greece66]

I have to agree with nickagneta


Although the ideas in the OP are interesting, a better suited title would have served the thread better

This doesn't mean CelticPride2016 has to give up spontaneous writing. But deciding/revising the title after finishing writing the first message would seem like good practice.

[Celtics4ever]

Jaylen should stay lanky and fast. Sure

Staying lanky helped LeBron!

 Oh Wait, that is right, he is big and muscle-bound and fast.

There is a misconception that bulk equals slow, these guys lift for power not for bulk.  Getting stronger helps everyone on the court.  Some guys have genes that add bulk when they do this kind of lifting, other guys do not.

[Surferdad]

I have to agree with nickagneta


Although the ideas in the OP are interesting, a better suited title would have served the thread better

This doesn't mean CelticPride2016 has to give up spontaneous writing. But deciding/revising the title after finishing writing the first message would seem like good practice.

Point taken, but isn't almost always the case that you go to a thread based on its title, but inevitably the conversation evolves into something else?  The only difference here is that that evolution happened right in the original post.  CP2016, you are always a good read.

[straightouttabahstun]

I still think the best possible comparison for JB is McGrady. He's pretty similar in terms of skill and athleticism. T Mac didn't bulk up too much, but enough to the point where he could play 2 and 3 like Jaylen is currently doing. I agree with OP, adding some weight to be able to cover guys is a good idea, but maybe not so much to where he might have to play 4. Crowder can do that because his overall build is bigger. Jaylen is very skinny.

[Sketch5]

Jaylen should stay lanky and fast. Sure

Staying lanky helped LeBron!

 Oh Wait, that is right, he is big and muscle-bound and fast.

There is a misconception that bulk equals slow, these guys lift for power not for bulk.  Getting stronger helps everyone on the court.  Some guys have genes that add bulk when they do this kind of lifting, other guys do not.

Thats not really a fair comparison. LeBron is a freak of nature. It really depends on the person. Shaq gained a lot of muscle, and while still agile, he didn't move the same as he was when he entered the league. Also their base has to be able to support the gains. Like Ingram wont be able to add much weight because his base is so slight.

Brown doesn't need to add much bulk, he has a good size to him. Maybe 5 to 10 LBS at most. He needs to get stronger, and you can do that with out getting huge. Look at Pippen, he wasn't big, but cut and strong as heck. I'm thinking more on those lines in his strength training.

[JaylenBrown7]

10-15lbs of strength training muscle will make a different player. As long as he avoids hypertrophy weight training then he can become extremely strong without "bulk" some wide shoulders wouldn't hurt though

[CelticPride2016]

Confused as **** this thread!

But I tend to agree with that second to last sentence about Avery, a situation is developing between Marcus, Avery, IT. All are going to demand biiiig money (yes, I include Marcus). Really hard to blow 80mill on three guys (not forgetting that including Al's deal puts us over the cap).

Avery is feelin more and more like the odd man out, and yes, having Jaylen as a 6'7 starting 2-spot who is a solid contributor makes losing Avery stomachable.

He's actually similar to LeBron. Height, body, skillset. I don't think it will hurt his speed to get a bit bigger.

Avery is smaller, older and going to be much more expensive. Smart can improve on his shooting. Avery will never be able to play point guard.

Avery and Smart seem to be on a trajectory towards redundancy. Isaiah could be traded. You are correct. Something will apparently have to eventually give between those three. It is the nature of the salary cap beast. Here today, gone tomorrow.

I like how this thread went. People knew what I meant. I am just guessing from the eye test. People are built with skinny, medium or big frames. Brown seems to be a medium. Crowder is a tank. He is a Paul Pierce or Brandon Bass. Pierce played shooting guard when young. But he outgrew that.

I'd like Jaylen to do what those above said, maybe ten pounds and not much more. RJ Hunter was a string bean. Gilligan from Gilligan's Island. Olynyk used to have a soft medium build. Now he's a tough medium. Perk was a little out of shape I think his first couple years. A soft big.

Brown is a smart guy. I am thinking five or ten pounds. But you don't want it cutting into his speed.

I think LeBron is a bad example for comparison because of the alleged steroids. Maybe Jaylen can become the new Bernard King? He needs to improve on his shooting, but that must be difficult for rookies. They always seem to shoot worse as young players. They must have a million things to learn that they never needed in college.

It seems Jaylen should develop his body in order to play sg and sf.