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Re: Soooooo Charles Oakley just got into a fight at the Knick game.
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2017, 03:14:58 PM »

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Is there a worse owner in sports right now than James Dolan.

Loria (who might be selling soon) & Haslam are also in the conversation but Dolan is right up there too.  No idea who is running the Islanders these days but that person or persons have to be in the top 5 too.


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Is there a worse owner in sports right now than James Dolan.

Loria (who might be selling soon) & Haslam are also in the conversation but Dolan is right up there too.  No idea who is running the Islanders these days but that person or persons have to be in the top 5 too.

Vivek Ranadivé demands that he not be forgotten.

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Is there a worse owner in sports right now than James Dolan.

Loria (who might be selling soon) & Haslam are also in the conversation but Dolan is right up there too.  No idea who is running the Islanders these days but that person or persons have to be in the top 5 too.

Vivek Ranadivé demands that he not be forgotten.

Shoot!  Knew I was missing someone!  No doubt.


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Is there a worse owner in sports right now than James Dolan.

Loria (who might be selling soon) & Haslam are also in the conversation but Dolan is right up there too.  No idea who is running the Islanders these days but that person or persons have to be in the top 5 too.
being in Cleveland I see Haslam a lot and he is no where near the Dolan level especially when you consider he is so new.  A lot of owners take a bit to settle in, I think Haslam is finally starting to do that.  I mean the team just went 1-15 but didn't make any real changes to the coaching staff or front office.  I think he is finally getting it takes time and consistency. 
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Re: Soooooo Charles Oakley just got into a fight at the Knick game.
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Is there a worse owner in sports right now than James Dolan.

Loria (who might be selling soon) & Haslam are also in the conversation but Dolan is right up there too.  No idea who is running the Islanders these days but that person or persons have to be in the top 5 too.
being in Cleveland I see Haslam a lot and he is no where near the Dolan level especially when you consider he is so new.  A lot of owners take a bit to settle in, I think Haslam is finally starting to do that.  I mean the team just went 1-15 but didn't make any real changes to the coaching staff or front office.  I think he is finally getting it takes time and consistency.

19-55 since NFL approval as owner.  On head coach #4 in that time.  Zero playoff berths. Textgate.  Manziel.  The uni changes. Not to mention all his Flying J nonsense.

Now, he might very well turn it around so far (book is still open on this Moneyball type thing) but it hasn't been a good tenure so far.   Fans can't be happy one bit.


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Can we send Charles to the White House?

I think he could take Mr. Trump....right?

President Trump's a big dude too. I wouldn't count him out against Charles Oakley.

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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2017, 04:03:28 PM »

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Is there a worse owner in sports right now than James Dolan.

Loria (who might be selling soon) & Haslam are also in the conversation but Dolan is right up there too.  No idea who is running the Islanders these days but that person or persons have to be in the top 5 too.
being in Cleveland I see Haslam a lot and he is no where near the Dolan level especially when you consider he is so new.  A lot of owners take a bit to settle in, I think Haslam is finally starting to do that.  I mean the team just went 1-15 but didn't make any real changes to the coaching staff or front office.  I think he is finally getting it takes time and consistency.

19-55 since NFL approval as owner.  On head coach #4 in that time.  Zero playoff berths. Textgate.  Manziel.  The uni changes. Not to mention all his Flying J nonsense.

Now, he might very well turn it around so far (book is still open on this Moneyball type thing) but it hasn't been a good tenure so far.   Fans can't be happy one bit.
Oh yeah not happy at all, but it isn't like the Browns were a winning franchise before he got here.  I mean since the expansion, the Browns have had just 2 winning seasons and the last one was 2007.  The four seasons before he purchased the team the Browns won 4, 5, 5, and 4 games and the season he purchased the team they were in the middle of a 5 win season.  Not exactly talking about taking a good team that he put into the basement.  The Browns were already in the basement.

Manziel and the uniform changes aren't a sign of a bad owner (neither is Gordon but that one is stretching it a bit).  Flying J is bad but has nothing to do with him as Owner, more him as a person.  I'm sure a good number of owners have had a number of shady business dealings in their other careers. 
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2017, 04:17:38 PM »

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Is there a worse owner in sports right now than James Dolan.

Loria (who might be selling soon) & Haslam are also in the conversation but Dolan is right up there too.  No idea who is running the Islanders these days but that person or persons have to be in the top 5 too.
being in Cleveland I see Haslam a lot and he is no where near the Dolan level especially when you consider he is so new.  A lot of owners take a bit to settle in, I think Haslam is finally starting to do that.  I mean the team just went 1-15 but didn't make any real changes to the coaching staff or front office.  I think he is finally getting it takes time and consistency.

19-55 since NFL approval as owner.  On head coach #4 in that time.  Zero playoff berths. Textgate.  Manziel.  The uni changes. Not to mention all his Flying J nonsense.

Now, he might very well turn it around so far (book is still open on this Moneyball type thing) but it hasn't been a good tenure so far.   Fans can't be happy one bit.
Oh yeah not happy at all, but it isn't like the Browns were a winning franchise before he got here.  I mean since the expansion, the Browns have had just 2 winning seasons and the last one was 2007.  The four seasons before he purchased the team the Browns won 4, 5, 5, and 4 games and the season he purchased the team they were in the middle of a 5 win season.  Not exactly talking about taking a good team that he put into the basement.  The Browns were already in the basement.

Manziel and the uniform changes aren't a sign of a bad owner (neither is Gordon but that one is stretching it a bit).  Flying J is bad but has nothing to do with him as Owner, more him as a person.  I'm sure a good number of owners have had a number of shady business dealings in their other careers.

The attempt to sugarcoat it is admirable but the fact remains that the team sucked before he got there & has continued to suck since he became owner in 2012.  The organization continues to be a laughingstock to the public and in the media and it starts & stops at the top. Plain & simple.


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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2017, 04:30:45 PM »

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Is there a worse owner in sports right now than James Dolan.

Loria (who might be selling soon) & Haslam are also in the conversation but Dolan is right up there too.  No idea who is running the Islanders these days but that person or persons have to be in the top 5 too.
being in Cleveland I see Haslam a lot and he is no where near the Dolan level especially when you consider he is so new.  A lot of owners take a bit to settle in, I think Haslam is finally starting to do that.  I mean the team just went 1-15 but didn't make any real changes to the coaching staff or front office.  I think he is finally getting it takes time and consistency.

19-55 since NFL approval as owner.  On head coach #4 in that time.  Zero playoff berths. Textgate.  Manziel.  The uni changes. Not to mention all his Flying J nonsense.

Now, he might very well turn it around so far (book is still open on this Moneyball type thing) but it hasn't been a good tenure so far.   Fans can't be happy one bit.
Oh yeah not happy at all, but it isn't like the Browns were a winning franchise before he got here.  I mean since the expansion, the Browns have had just 2 winning seasons and the last one was 2007.  The four seasons before he purchased the team the Browns won 4, 5, 5, and 4 games and the season he purchased the team they were in the middle of a 5 win season.  Not exactly talking about taking a good team that he put into the basement.  The Browns were already in the basement.

Manziel and the uniform changes aren't a sign of a bad owner (neither is Gordon but that one is stretching it a bit).  Flying J is bad but has nothing to do with him as Owner, more him as a person.  I'm sure a good number of owners have had a number of shady business dealings in their other careers.

The attempt to sugarcoat it is admirable but the fact remains that the team sucked before he got there & has continued to suck since he became owner in 2012.  The organization continues to be a laughingstock to the public and in the media and it starts & stops at the top. Plain & simple.

Eh, I think the prior situation matters somewhat.  As bad as the Browns had been, there were probably very few, if any, front office personnel worth keeping, so they pretty much had to start from scratch, both on and off the field.  The more hiring decisions you have to make, the more likely you are to make some mistakes, because not every hire works.  It's harder to turn things around.

Now, if he hadn't been under federal investigation for fraud and extortion, it probably would have been easier, so he certainly gets some demerits.  Just not sure if it's enough to make him bottom 5.  Certainly bottom 10 tho.

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Is there a worse owner in sports right now than James Dolan.

Loria (who might be selling soon) & Haslam are also in the conversation but Dolan is right up there too.  No idea who is running the Islanders these days but that person or persons have to be in the top 5 too.
being in Cleveland I see Haslam a lot and he is no where near the Dolan level especially when you consider he is so new.  A lot of owners take a bit to settle in, I think Haslam is finally starting to do that.  I mean the team just went 1-15 but didn't make any real changes to the coaching staff or front office.  I think he is finally getting it takes time and consistency.

19-55 since NFL approval as owner.  On head coach #4 in that time.  Zero playoff berths. Textgate.  Manziel.  The uni changes. Not to mention all his Flying J nonsense.

Now, he might very well turn it around so far (book is still open on this Moneyball type thing) but it hasn't been a good tenure so far.   Fans can't be happy one bit.
Oh yeah not happy at all, but it isn't like the Browns were a winning franchise before he got here.  I mean since the expansion, the Browns have had just 2 winning seasons and the last one was 2007.  The four seasons before he purchased the team the Browns won 4, 5, 5, and 4 games and the season he purchased the team they were in the middle of a 5 win season.  Not exactly talking about taking a good team that he put into the basement.  The Browns were already in the basement.

Manziel and the uniform changes aren't a sign of a bad owner (neither is Gordon but that one is stretching it a bit).  Flying J is bad but has nothing to do with him as Owner, more him as a person.  I'm sure a good number of owners have had a number of shady business dealings in their other careers.

The attempt to sugarcoat it is admirable but the fact remains that the team sucked before he got there & has continued to suck since he became owner in 2012.  The organization continues to be a laughingstock to the public and in the media and it starts & stops at the top. Plain & simple.

Eh, I think the prior situation matters somewhat.  As bad as the Browns had been, there were probably very few, if any, front office personnel worth keeping, so they pretty much had to start from scratch, both on and off the field.  The more hiring decisions you have to make, the more likely you are to make some mistakes, because not every hire works.  It's harder to turn things around.

Now, if he hadn't been under federal investigation for fraud and extortion, it probably would have been easier, so he certainly gets some demerits.  Just not sure if it's enough to make him bottom 5.  Certainly bottom 10 tho.

True.  Not an easy hole to dig out of by any means (although it should be noted that both Kraft & Jones made Super Bowls within 5 years of buying their respective franchises. Maybe not a fair comparison, though).  I just don't think anything that has happened under his watch has been impressive and the franchise just continues to flounder.  Although, I am intrigued how this "moneyball approach" thing pans out.  It's an interesting experiment.  Things have to get better for them at some point but I'm just looking at the now and near past.   

You're right, though.  Bottom 5 really is the cream of the crop (or whatever the opposite it).  It takes a very special kind of ineptitude to crack that lineup.


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Anyways, my apologies for derailing this thing.


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Oakley is now apparently banned from MSG.  Dolan says not necessarily lifetime ban, but MSG needs to be a safe place.
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Oakley is now apparently banned from MSG.  Dolan says not necessarily lifetime ban, but MSG needs to be a safe place.

Wow look at this "Jim Dolan on Charles Oakley being a menace to employees and staff at Madison Square Garden and presenting a safety issue: "To me, I thInk that Charles has got a problem. I have said it before, we have said it before one time that he is his own worst problem. He has a problem, people need to sort of understand that. He has a problem with anger, He is both physically and verbally abusive. He may have a problem with alcohol, we don't know. But those behaviors of being physically and verbally abusive, those are personality problems."

Dolan needs to get out of there somehow. Implying Oakley is a drunk?

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Oakley is now apparently banned from MSG.  Dolan says not necessarily lifetime ban, but MSG needs to be a safe place.

Wow look at this "Jim Dolan on Charles Oakley being a menace to employees and staff at Madison Square Garden and presenting a safety issue: "To me, I thInk that Charles has got a problem. I have said it before, we have said it before one time that he is his own worst problem. He has a problem, people need to sort of understand that. He has a problem with anger, He is both physically and verbally abusive. He may have a problem with alcohol, we don't know. But those behaviors of being physically and verbally abusive, those are personality problems."

Dolan needs to get out of there somehow. Implying Oakley is a drunk?

As someone pointed out on Twitter, public intoxication was not on the police report. Either way, Knicks are an embarrassment. Charles is a legend and if he has a problem, the organization should be lending a helping hand, not trying to publicly humiliate him. What a load of crock. Between this and Phil trying to push out Carmelo, the Knicks should never be able to sign another free agent again.
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Oakley is now apparently banned from MSG.  Dolan says not necessarily lifetime ban, but MSG needs to be a safe place.

Wow look at this "Jim Dolan on Charles Oakley being a menace to employees and staff at Madison Square Garden and presenting a safety issue: "To me, I thInk that Charles has got a problem. I have said it before, we have said it before one time that he is his own worst problem. He has a problem, people need to sort of understand that. He has a problem with anger, He is both physically and verbally abusive. He may have a problem with alcohol, we don't know. But those behaviors of being physically and verbally abusive, those are personality problems."

Dolan needs to get out of there somehow. Implying Oakley is a drunk?

As someone pointed out on Twitter, public intoxication was not on the police report. Either way, Knicks are an embarrassment. Charles is a legend and if he has a problem, the organization should be lending a helping hand, not trying to publicly humiliate him. What a load of crock. Between this and Phil trying to push out Carmelo, the Knicks should never be able to sign another free agent again.
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