Butler Trade to Boston Proposed by ESPN's Insider Kevin Pelton

[86MaxwellSmart]

Butler/Lopez for Amir/Bradley/Rozier/Zeller/BK18/Clippers Pick/two 2nd rounders.

Fair.

[mctyson]

I would be good with that trade.


I also think the Bulls say no.

It is (essentially) 3 first round picks and $19M of expiring contracts for him.  The would be hard pressed to find a better deal.

[wdleehi]

I would be good with that trade.


I also think the Bulls say no.

It is (essentially) 3 first round picks and $19M of expiring contracts for him.  The would be hard pressed to find a better deal.

They can keep him.

[Bobshot]

Looks good for Celtics, but I think the Bulls will insist on the Nets 17 pick as the starting point for Butler. I also think they'll want Crowder, Bradley or Smart. Maybe they'll settle for just the nets17 and other players, but I doubt it.

Gibson would be a good get just by himself. I'd prefer him over any Celtics big after Horford.
The kind of guy they need. I don't know if he's available.

I'd prefer they keep their starters and  Nets picks, and trade for a Gibson, Nurkic or Noel.
The trick is to get Noel without giving up starters or Nets picks. Should be possible since he is a FA.

[SHAQATTACK]

Maybe Bulls would trade us Rondo,back for Crowder.

[slamtheking]

Just to be clear, this is not a trade rumor, just one that he said works for both teams. Personally I am not a fan of giving up 2018 Nets pick for Butler.

Per Kevin Pelton:

"Bulls send Butler to Boston

Boston Celtics get: Forwards Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson

Chicago Bulls get: Guard Terry Rozier, centers Amir Johnson and Tyler Zeller, Brooklyn's 2018 first-round pick and Memphis' protected 2019 first-round pick

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Even if the Raptors get Millsap, I still think the Celtics might be a bigger threat to the Cavaliers if they can get Butler. Not only that, getting a player in his prime (Butler is 27) and under contract sets up Boston to contend for years. I'd be willing to surrender any non-starter and any draft pick besides the 2017 Nets pick to get Butler.

That might not be enough for Chicago in reality -- I could see the Bulls holding out for this year's Brooklyn pick, which is virtually certain to have the best chance at being No. 1 overall in a strong draft -- but in my fantasy world, the teams make a deal that also sends the Celtics Gibson, an impending free agent who strengthens a Boston frontcourt weakened by the loss of Johnson."

it'd be a steal for Boston.  the one concern is that the only 2 'true' centers on the roster get sent out in the deal.  we're already thin in the front court and this makes us even thinner.  would look to try to keep Zeller and sub in a different player(s) to make up for that salary in the deal if possible.  that's in case Danny doesn't have another big man ready to bring in (not figuring Sanders or Sideshow Bob as options)

[jdz101]

Just to be clear, this is not a trade rumor, just one that he said works for both teams. Personally I am not a fan of giving up 2018 Nets pick for Butler.

Wait, what?

We get to Keep the 2017 pick (high pick in a deep draft), Brown, and Smart? That 2018 pick is not guaranteed like this years. They might be the worst team this year but look at Philly this year after getting the worst record in 15-16.  I don't think it can get much worse for Brooklyn.

I doubt Chicago does this deal anyway so it doesn't matter.

Except the Nets don't have a player who will be rookie of the year next year.

And philly still have the 3rd worst record and a great shot at the #1 pick this year in any case.

[the TRUTH]

I'd love to hold on to both Brooklyn picks, but I think Boston has to make this trade if it's available.

I'm curious as to why people value Marcus Smart so much? I know Avery Bradley's deal is up soon and he'll command a lot more money, but he's 10 times the player Smart is. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy we have Smart, but if it's necessary to move him in order to get a player of Butler's caliber, that's a no-brainer to me.

[Endless Paradise]

Don't think Chicago would even be interested in that deal.

I believe we'd have to include Jaylen Brown if we aren't dealing the 2017 1st. It would make sense for Chicago to get a valuable prospect in return.

They have to trade Butler in order to rebuild so we have the leverage
With his stock dropping i think 3 non Nets pick + AB should be enough

That is not how leverage works.

[Roy H.]

I would be good with that trade.


I also think the Bulls say no.

It is (essentially) 3 first round picks and $19M of expiring contracts for him.  The would be hard pressed to find a better deal.

I don't think Rozier is the equivalent of - or worth - a first rounder.

[chambers]

I was laughing on realgm when a regular poster there sugggested that this Pelton idea would be 'fine as long as the Brooklyn 18' pick had some protection on it because Jimmy Butler is at most worth a lottery pick.'

Lol green glasses much?

[guava_wrench]

There is a danger of thinking of 1st round picks in terms of best outcome instead of likely outcome.

If you have a 25% change of #1 and a sure-fire superstar like Duncan or Lebron is going to be in the draft, maybe you don't trade it for Butler despite the 75% chance of not getting that player. Yet the Oden/Durant draft was similar and look what happened to Oden. The risk with draft picks is really high. The Wiggins draft was hyped, but will Wiggins ever reach Butler's level?

Trading next years pick for Butler is a no-brainer if it is the Pelton deal. We aren't even guaranteed the 25% chance at the currently unclear top talent since we can't say whether the Nets will be this bad next year. But we do know that Butler is an all-star.

[Eddie20]

Just to be clear, this is not a trade rumor, just one that he said works for both teams. Personally I am not a fan of giving up 2018 Nets pick for Butler.

Wait, what?

We get to Keep the 2017 pick (high pick in a deep draft), Brown, and Smart? That 2018 pick is not guaranteed like this years. They might be the worst team this year but look at Philly this year after getting the worst record in 15-16.  I don't think it can get much worse for Brooklyn.

I doubt Chicago does this deal anyway so it doesn't matter.

The Nets' 2018 season looks just as dismal.  Unlikely to get a big FA signing given the new CBA.  In addition, the top end of the draft in 2018 fits better for our long term needs than the 2017 draft. It has several incredible bigs who are lacking in this draft.  I do not give up that asset easily, certainly not for a Jimmy Butler.  Seems like most others disagree with me, though.

What if New Orleans trades Holiday and its 1st for Brook Lopez (just as an example)?  That 1st might end up pretty good and Holiday could easily re-sign in Brooklyn.  What if the Nets then overpay for someone like Noel in free agency and continue to get growth from their younger players.  Sure the Nets won't make the playoffs in that scenario, but could certainly be better than the worst team in basketball. 

Continue to get growth? From whom, exactly?

[spikelovetheCelts]

George yes Butler No. Have you watched any college basketball this year. Great Players for our future. I would trade with Orlando first. 

[Moranis]

Just to be clear, this is not a trade rumor, just one that he said works for both teams. Personally I am not a fan of giving up 2018 Nets pick for Butler.

Wait, what?

We get to Keep the 2017 pick (high pick in a deep draft), Brown, and Smart? That 2018 pick is not guaranteed like this years. They might be the worst team this year but look at Philly this year after getting the worst record in 15-16.  I don't think it can get much worse for Brooklyn.

I doubt Chicago does this deal anyway so it doesn't matter.

The Nets' 2018 season looks just as dismal.  Unlikely to get a big FA signing given the new CBA.  In addition, the top end of the draft in 2018 fits better for our long term needs than the 2017 draft. It has several incredible bigs who are lacking in this draft.  I do not give up that asset easily, certainly not for a Jimmy Butler.  Seems like most others disagree with me, though.

What if New Orleans trades Holiday and its 1st for Brook Lopez (just as an example)?  That 1st might end up pretty good and Holiday could easily re-sign in Brooklyn.  What if the Nets then overpay for someone like Noel in free agency and continue to get growth from their younger players.  Sure the Nets won't make the playoffs in that scenario, but could certainly be better than the worst team in basketball. 

Continue to get growth? From whom, exactly?

RHJ, LaVert, McCullough, Whitehead.  Not world beaters, but all with potential to at least be rotational players on a good team.  Add a guy like Jrue Holiday and a defensive anchor in Nerlens Noel, plus the rookie from N.O.'s 1st (remember we are talking about them trading Lopez for Holiday and a 1st), and they would certainly be a much improved team from this year.  Not a playoff team, but certainly might not be even a bottom 3 or 5 team.