Who Should Start Bradley or Brown?

[Ilikesports17]

Bradley is better at almost everything. He's going to win us more games as a starter.

Plus, why mess with team chemistry?

Seems that chemistry,  on a 7 game win streak, is pretty good. I don't want to mess with that either.

Aside from Houston, we've beaten everyone we should have.

We played the Clippers and Raptors at home while they missed their 1st or 2nd best player. If we actually beat a handful of full strength teams I'd side with brown and the new starting 5.

We didnt beat any of those teams with Bradley in the line up so someone could make the opposite case.

Those teams are not the same teams when they are missing Demar Derozan and Chris Paul and to a much lesser extent, Eric Gordon.

Which means what? We didnt beat Toronto or Houston with AB in the lineup.

It means that the wins are not as impressive as they seem on paper. Just as it was not as [dang]ing as they seemed on paper when we lost to OKC, Toronto and San Antonio when we didnt have Isaiah Thomas.

Im not following you here. You said that the teams are different at full strength so we shouldnt apply to much credit to them. I dont think people have said otherwise. It also sounds to me as your saying we would beat those teams if AB was in the line up to which I said we havent beaten them with him in the line up which is correct.

Im not saying AB should be replaced by Brown but the idea that you presented Im having a hard time following because we didnt beat these teams with AB and them being at full strength.

I am not going to speculate as to whether or not we would beat those teams with AB in the lineup.

Im saying that the teams we beat without AB are not impressive enough (largely due to injury) to justify giving up Bradleys starting spot.

When Avery Bradley went down, he was going to get his starting spot back unless something miraculous happened. Beating a full strength Toronto, Houston and LAC might have qualified. Beating a hobbled Toronto and LAC and then a Gordonless Rockets squad is not impressive enough to give away the starting spot of Avery Bradley.

[tstorey_97]

Having watched Avery Bradley absolutely go toe to toe with some of the top players of this era.
Having watched him set an example on team defense that makes his team a better team?

Mr. Brown can do what Mr. Bradley did with Ray Allen which is to beat him out for the position. In the sixth game against the Raptors this spring, Brown just may not be starting so the other starters can "cover up his deficiencies."

If you want the money? You better have the money player in the game.

[clevelandceltic]

Bradley is better at almost everything. He's going to win us more games as a starter.

Plus, why mess with team chemistry?

Seems that chemistry,  on a 7 game win streak, is pretty good. I don't want to mess with that either.

Aside from Houston, we've beaten everyone we should have.

We played the Clippers and Raptors at home while they missed their 1st or 2nd best player. If we actually beat a handful of full strength teams I'd side with brown and the new starting 5.

We didnt beat any of those teams with Bradley in the line up so someone could make the opposite case.

Those teams are not the same teams when they are missing Demar Derozan and Chris Paul and to a much lesser extent, Eric Gordon.

Which means what? We didnt beat Toronto or Houston with AB in the lineup.

It means that the wins are not as impressive as they seem on paper. Just as it was not as [dang]ing as they seemed on paper when we lost to OKC, Toronto and San Antonio when we didnt have Isaiah Thomas.

Im not following you here. You said that the teams are different at full strength so we shouldnt apply to much credit to them. I dont think people have said otherwise. It also sounds to me as your saying we would beat those teams if AB was in the line up to which I said we havent beaten them with him in the line up which is correct.

Im not saying AB should be replaced by Brown but the idea that you presented Im having a hard time following because we didnt beat these teams with AB and them being at full strength.

I am not going to speculate as to whether or not we would beat those teams with AB in the lineup.

Im saying that the teams we beat without AB are not impressive enough (largely due to injury) to justify giving up Bradleys starting spot.

When Avery Bradley went down, he was going to get his starting spot back unless something miraculous happened. Beating a full strength Toronto, Houston and LAC might have qualified. Beating a hobbled Toronto and LAC and then a Gordonless Rockets squad is not impressive enough to give away the starting spot of Avery Bradley.

What I have seen here is that people seem to be looking more at team balance when saying Brown should start more than anything else. I think AB should start but I can certainly buy what they are saying.

[Bostoncelticsforlife7]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

That's not true . Brown as a rookie is already stronger, longer, healthier, better slasher, has more upside and more versatile defensively

Stronger?  By what measure?

Longer?  True

Healthier?  He hasn't log as many minutes so I wouldn't say so

Better Slasher?  LOL...ummm...NO

Has more upside?  We'll see in couple years or so

More versatile defensively?  NO

How about we talk things that are tangible and more important to this team such as offense, defense, rebounding, 3 pt percentage, perimeter defense, FT shooting percentage, experience, playoffs experience,...you know, those things Bradley is CLEARLY better at than Jaylen?

Stronger? Yes, he has 40-50lbs on him LOL
Longer? Yes
Healthier? So far, yes
Better slasher? Arguable but I would say yes. Avery mainly drives off of cuts and Jaylen can get to the rim seemingly at will and already is a better finisher
Higher upside? Yes
More versitile defensively? Yes
Seven game win streak? Yes
Bench is inconsistent? Yes
Brown plays better with starters? Yes
Smart and Bradley coming off the bench? Yikes
What else needs to be said

[Clench123]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

That's not true . Brown as a rookie is already stronger, longer, healthier, better slasher, has more upside and more versatile defensively

Stronger?  By what measure?

Longer?  True

Healthier?  He hasn't log as many minutes so I wouldn't say so

Better Slasher?  LOL...ummm...NO

Has more upside?  We'll see in couple years or so

More versatile defensively?  NO

How about we talk things that are tangible and more important to this team such as offense, defense, rebounding, 3 pt percentage, perimeter defense, FT shooting percentage, experience, playoffs experience,...you know, those things Bradley is CLEARLY better at than Jaylen?

Stronger? Yes, he has 40-50lbs on him LOL
Longer? Yes
Healthier? So far, yes
Better slasher? Arguable but I would say yes. Avery mainly drives off of cuts and Jaylen can get to the rim seemingly at will and already is a better finisher
Higher upside? Yes
More versitile defensively? Yes
Seven game win streak? Yes
Bench is inconsistent? Yes
Brown plays better with starters? Yes
Smart and Bradley coming off the bench? Yikes
What else needs to be said

So much fail in this post I don't know where to begin.  And the fact that you completely ignore the last part of my post says a lot.  You didn't put up anything worth arguing so I won't even bother.  Seven game win streak...smh #palmface

[nickagneta]

Bradley will start for a few reasons:

1. Bradley is the better player and the player with the most Celtic tenure. Those type of players don't lose their starting position due to injury unless the player that replaces them shows clearly that he is playing better than the vet or that his presence severely effects the way the starting unit performs as compared to when the vet played. Ray never got his position back from Bradley because Bradley's insertion into the starting lineup completely changed the way the team played defense. There was a huge difference between the way those starters played defense when Bradley was in the lineup as compared to Ray Allen. Thats not happening here. Brown's presence isn't making the starters better and he isn't playing better than Bradley.

2. Bradley sets a defensive tone straight from the start. He hawks the ball handler and pressures the ball. Stevens has mentioned numerous times that Bradley was tremendoysly important for setting a defensive attitude from the start of the game. Brown is a lot of things but a defensive difference maker isn't one of them. Bradley is such a player.

3. If this team had a captain it would be Bradley. He is one of the most respected players on this team. The players, probably even Brown, feel he should be the starter. Giving his position in the starting lineup simply to hide Brown's deficiencies when he plays and maximize a rookie's development is a good way for a coach to lose respect in the locker room. You don't screw with a defacto captain's starting spit for the sake of forcing starters minutes to a rookie. Good coaches know this.

4. The bench's scoring problems can be solved be staggering the substitution patterns to have Beadley play with the bench more. Its what Stevens was doing before Bradley got hurt. There is simply no reason to bench Bradley so that he can play with the bench. No reason whatsoever.


Btw, Eddie20, the reason McHale and Hondo came off the bench is because there were All-Star level veterans playing in front of them and the Celtic philosophy was for young players to come off the bench, sometimes for years, until the veteran in front of them were no longer on the team. Once those vets were gone, then Havlicek and McHale took their place in the starting lineup

[Bostoncelticsforlife7]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

That's not true . Brown as a rookie is already stronger, longer, healthier, better slasher, has more upside and more versatile defensively

Stronger?  By what measure?

Longer?  True

Healthier?  He hasn't log as many minutes so I wouldn't say so

Better Slasher?  LOL...ummm...NO

Has more upside?  We'll see in couple years or so

More versatile defensively?  NO

How about we talk things that are tangible and more important to this team such as offense, defense, rebounding, 3 pt percentage, perimeter defense, FT shooting percentage, experience, playoffs experience,...you know, those things Bradley is CLEARLY better at than Jaylen?

Stronger? Yes, he has 40-50lbs on him LOL
Longer? Yes
Healthier? So far, yes
Better slasher? Arguable but I would say yes. Avery mainly drives off of cuts and Jaylen can get to the rim seemingly at will and already is a better finisher
Higher upside? Yes
More versitile defensively? Yes
Seven game win streak? Yes
Bench is inconsistent? Yes
Brown plays better with starters? Yes
Smart and Bradley coming off the bench? Yikes
What else needs to be said

So much fail in this post I don't know where to begin.  And the fact that you completely ignore the last part of my post says a lot.  You didn't put up anything worth arguing so I won't even bother.  Seven game win streak...smh #palmface

You were wrong on almost every single question you answered. And I'm not saying that brown should play more minutes than Bradley. Bradley should get he same amount of minutes coming off the bench and brown should get 10-15 minutes starting. Bradley is no doubt the better player, but when you consider the several factors like our young inconsistent bench, the advance stats that show that Avery and Isaiah aren't a good pairing defensivly, Avery has played his best basketball coming off the bench, Jaylen is playing A LOT better starting, playing better defense and consistently scoring double figures, and Jaylens superstar potential, you have to consider it

[Ilikesports17]

Bradley is better at almost everything. He's going to win us more games as a starter.

Plus, why mess with team chemistry?

Seems that chemistry,  on a 7 game win streak, is pretty good. I don't want to mess with that either.

Aside from Houston, we've beaten everyone we should have.

We played the Clippers and Raptors at home while they missed their 1st or 2nd best player. If we actually beat a handful of full strength teams I'd side with brown and the new starting 5.

We didnt beat any of those teams with Bradley in the line up so someone could make the opposite case.

Those teams are not the same teams when they are missing Demar Derozan and Chris Paul and to a much lesser extent, Eric Gordon.

Which means what? We didnt beat Toronto or Houston with AB in the lineup.

It means that the wins are not as impressive as they seem on paper. Just as it was not as [dang]ing as they seemed on paper when we lost to OKC, Toronto and San Antonio when we didnt have Isaiah Thomas.

Im not following you here. You said that the teams are different at full strength so we shouldnt apply to much credit to them. I dont think people have said otherwise. It also sounds to me as your saying we would beat those teams if AB was in the line up to which I said we havent beaten them with him in the line up which is correct.

Im not saying AB should be replaced by Brown but the idea that you presented Im having a hard time following because we didnt beat these teams with AB and them being at full strength.

I am not going to speculate as to whether or not we would beat those teams with AB in the lineup.

Im saying that the teams we beat without AB are not impressive enough (largely due to injury) to justify giving up Bradleys starting spot.

When Avery Bradley went down, he was going to get his starting spot back unless something miraculous happened. Beating a full strength Toronto, Houston and LAC might have qualified. Beating a hobbled Toronto and LAC and then a Gordonless Rockets squad is not impressive enough to give away the starting spot of Avery Bradley.

What I have seen here is that people seem to be looking more at team balance when saying Brown should start more than anything else. I think AB should start but I can certainly buy what they are saying.

yeah. I understand that that is what people are looking at and I dont think the 7 games is enough to reach that conclusion. Again, if they had beaten the full strength raptors and clippers Id say the stretch was impressive enough that you have to take a more serious look at the balance of your first and second units.

[clevelandceltic]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

That's not true . Brown as a rookie is already stronger, longer, healthier, better slasher, has more upside and more versatile defensively

Stronger?  By what measure?

Longer?  True

Healthier?  He hasn't log as many minutes so I wouldn't say so

Better Slasher?  LOL...ummm...NO

Has more upside?  We'll see in couple years or so

More versatile defensively?  NO

How about we talk things that are tangible and more important to this team such as offense, defense, rebounding, 3 pt percentage, perimeter defense, FT shooting percentage, experience, playoffs experience,...you know, those things Bradley is CLEARLY better at than Jaylen?

Stronger? Yes, he has 40-50lbs on him LOL
Longer? Yes
Healthier? So far, yes
Better slasher? Arguable but I would say yes. Avery mainly drives off of cuts and Jaylen can get to the rim seemingly at will and already is a better finisher
Higher upside? Yes
More versitile defensively? Yes
Seven game win streak? Yes
Bench is inconsistent? Yes
Brown plays better with starters? Yes
Smart and Bradley coming off the bench? Yikes
What else needs to be said

So much fail in this post I don't know where to begin.  And the fact that you completely ignore the last part of my post says a lot.  You didn't put up anything worth arguing so I won't even bother.  Seven game win streak...smh #palmface

You were wrong on almost every single question you answered. And I'm not saying that brown should play more minutes than Bradley. Bradley should get he same amount of minutes coming off the bench and brown should get 10-15 minutes starting. Bradley is no doubt the better player, but when you consider the several factors like our young inconsistent bench, the advance stats that show that Avery and Isaiah aren't a good pairing defensivly, Avery has played his best basketball coming off the bench, Jaylen is playing A LOT better starting, playing better defense and consistently scoring double figures, and Jaylens superstar potential, you have to consider it

To be fair everyone is a bad defensive pairing next to IT.

[SHAQATTACK]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

That's not true . Brown as a rookie is already stronger, longer, healthier, better slasher, has more upside and more versatile defensively

Stronger?  By what measure?

Longer?  True

Healthier?  He hasn't log as many minutes so I wouldn't say so

Better Slasher?  LOL...ummm...NO

Has more upside?  We'll see in couple years or so

More versatile defensively?  NO

How about we talk things that are tangible and more important to this team such as offense, defense, rebounding, 3 pt percentage, perimeter defense, FT shooting percentage, experience, playoffs experience,...you know, those things Bradley is CLEARLY better at than Jaylen?

Stronger? Yes, he has 40-50lbs on him LOL
Longer? Yes
Healthier? So far, yes
Better slasher? Arguable but I would say yes. Avery mainly drives off of cuts and Jaylen can get to the rim seemingly at will and already is a better finisher
Higher upside? Yes
More versitile defensively? Yes
Seven game win streak? Yes
Bench is inconsistent? Yes
Brown plays better with starters? Yes
Smart and Bradley coming off the bench? Yikes
What else needs to be said

So much fail in this post I don't know where to begin.  And the fact that you completely ignore the last part of my post says a lot.  You didn't put up anything worth arguing so I won't even bother.  Seven game win streak...smh #palmface

You were wrong on almost every single question you answered. And I'm not saying that brown should play more minutes than Bradley. Bradley should get he same amount of minutes coming off the bench and brown should get 10-15 minutes starting. Bradley is no doubt the better player, but when you consider the several factors like our young inconsistent bench, the advance stats that show that Avery and Isaiah aren't a good pairing defensivly, Avery has played his best basketball coming off the bench, Jaylen is playing A LOT better starting, playing better defense and consistently scoring double figures, and Jaylens superstar potential, you have to consider it

To be fair everyone is a bad defensive pairing next to IT.

LOL.....yeah true......but Jaylen is lowly rookie ,   He has to suck it up do his job and not complaint about watching out after the  little IT . 

ITs job is to make buckets ......lots and lots of buckets 

Besides Jaylen has the energy to run the floor all day long with endless,energy IT.

[mctyson]

There is no way AB will be coming off the bench.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I don't care, it's CBS' job to figure it out, I just want wins! I do want to say, people are crediting the wins to JB starting while I think it has nothing to do with who starts in that spot and everything to do with Smart being back on the bench! He leads that group and gives them the calm that they need. CBS didn't put Smaht back on the bench b/c he was worse than JB and holding the starters back, he put him there to orchestrate on both ends for the bench. If we had a capable PG on the bench, Smaht would still be starting while AB is out.

[chilidawg]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

That's not true . Brown as a rookie is already stronger, longer, healthier, better slasher, has more upside and more versatile defensively

Stronger?  By what measure?

Longer?  True

Healthier?  He hasn't log as many minutes so I wouldn't say so

Better Slasher?  LOL...ummm...NO

Has more upside?  We'll see in couple years or so

More versatile defensively?  NO

How about we talk things that are tangible and more important to this team such as offense, defense, rebounding, 3 pt percentage, perimeter defense, FT shooting percentage, experience, playoffs experience,...you know, those things Bradley is CLEARLY better at than Jaylen?

Stronger? Yes, he has 40-50lbs on him LOL
Longer? Yes
Healthier? So far, yes
Better slasher? Arguable but I would say yes. Avery mainly drives off of cuts and Jaylen can get to the rim seemingly at will and already is a better finisher
Higher upside? Yes
More versitile defensively? Yes
Seven game win streak? Yes
Bench is inconsistent? Yes
Brown plays better with starters? Yes
Smart and Bradley coming off the bench? Yikes
What else needs to be said

If by this you mean he's a bad defender against a wide variety of players, then yes.  Bradley is at very least a great defender against smaller scoring guards, and a decent defender against other wings.

[playdream]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

That's not true . Brown as a rookie is already stronger, longer, healthier, better slasher, has more upside and more versatile defensively

Stronger?  By what measure?

Longer?  True

Healthier?  He hasn't log as many minutes so I wouldn't say so

Better Slasher?  LOL...ummm...NO

Has more upside?  We'll see in couple years or so

More versatile defensively?  NO

How about we talk things that are tangible and more important to this team such as offense, defense, rebounding, 3 pt percentage, perimeter defense, FT shooting percentage, experience, playoffs experience,...you know, those things Bradley is CLEARLY better at than Jaylen?

Yeah playoff experience...like last year or the year versus knicks or the year he broke both his shoulder? i will say i had enough of those experience..

[clevelandceltic]

I don't care, it's CBS' job to figure it out, I just want wins! I do want to say, people are crediting the wins to JB starting while I think it has nothing to do with who starts in that spot and everything to do with Smart being back on the bench! He leads that group and gives them the calm that they need. CBS didn't put Smaht back on the bench b/c he was worse than JB and holding the starters back, he put him there to orchestrate on both ends for the bench. If we had a capable PG on the bench, Smaht would still be starting while AB is out.

Who said it was because of Brown that we won those games?