The Great Celtics Asset Rank

[flybono]

I believe some of our assets are better than others think.

Bradley and Crowder are top notch quality.

Brown deserves more respect and time to develop. He has shown a lot of confidence. He's been getting praised for his defense lately. He is obviously being groomed to become a menace on offense and a quality two-way player. That's how we could win it all with Isaiah. Jaylen/Smart can cover for his height. Jae is solid. We are just weak upfront as everyone knows. We need a defensive big to pair with Horford. Captain Obvious has been trying to reach Ainge. Then we could become the true challenger to Golden State. It could have been Amir. But he got old quick or something.

Olynyk is undervalued, imho. He has proven himself over the last month. He is clearly worth a #10 or so pick. He is quality. Bradley is worth a top #5 pick.

It would be a mistake to trade Jaylen Brown. He looks like he is going to be unstoppable. Marcus Smart and Olynyk are coming to age. Rozier looks intriguing.

We need the trade deadline to pass, so we can kick back and watch the games in peace.

Since when is a slow, non agressive, no defense style of play in Olynyk quality?

[CelticPride2016]

Since when is a slow, non agressive, no defense style of play in Olynyk quality?

Most people seem to value Olynyk. This isn't Sully 2.0 and he is on the way out. He has been a force and gave the C's a boost tonight in the first half. He has very good offensive skills and plays to the best of his ability on defense. I would say only a small percentage hate Kelly Olynyk, so it seems pointless to respond any further.

[Granath]

I look at assets from 1-8.

8 is superstar value
7 is an exceptionally value
6 is very valuable
5 is above average
4 is an average
3 is below average
2 is a throw in
1 is a player to be named later.   

So I don't think it's useful just to rank them. It's a matter of what the value of each asset really is. So here's my take.

17 Net 7.2 - a #1 pick would normally be a 7 but right now this draft looks better than average.
18 Net 6.5 - everyone knows this will also be quite a high pick
Brown 6.5 - He's showing more every month and this could be a 7.5 by this time next year
Crowder 6 - 26 years old, flirting with 50/40/90, great defense and one of the best contracts in the NBA make this one of the most valuable non-star players in the league
Smart 5.5 - Opposing fans hate him. Opposing coaches would love to have him. He's proven that this year he can run a team.
AB 5 - Only because his contract is coming up. Remember how many people thought Danny overpaid for him? HAHAHAHA
Zizic 5 - Starting to look like a steal
Olynyk 4 - Could fit in with any team with his shooting and rebounding off the bench
2019 Memphis 4 - This pick may just get better
Yab 3.5 - Only because he's unable to raise his value. Still, he's dominating his league.
Rozier 3 - If Terry can get his 3 point shooting up then his value will substantially increase
2018 Celtics 3 - picks in the 20s aren't that valuable.
2019 Celtics 2.5 - ditto

[mahcussmaht]

With the trade deadline coming up and tons of recent development, I think it's a good time to make another thread re: evaluating our truckload of assets.

I've excluded Thomas and Horford for this because I don't think there's any sort of trade that makes sense for either of them.  I decided not to bother with anything that's worth less than Demetrius Jackson or Abdel Nader (apologies to James Young).  I also did not include Johnson, Zeller, or Jerebko, who will probably just be burned on the deadline/in the offseason for salary matching purposes. 

Finally, I added in parentheses what I think our player assets would net in terms of a 2017 draft pick:

2017 Brooklyn

2018 Brooklyn

Brown (worth roughly the #10 pick)

Zizic (only a tiny bit lower)

Crowder (would probably get you something similar to Brown-Zizic, but it would have to be a contender that has a higher pick for some reason so much less liquidity.)

Bradley (less valuable than Crowder due to only 1 year left on bargain contract. Probably still worth a pick in the early teens)

2019 Memphis

Smart (probably nets a pick similar to Bradley under normal circumstances, but teams will be wary dealing for him when he has a big RFA payday coming up, aka Nerlens Noel syndrome.)

2018 Celtics

2019 Celtics

Rozier (very late first-rounder/early second-rounder)

2019 Clippers

2017 Twolves 2nd

Yab (would be worth some sort of middling 2nd rounder if we chose to move him, but we shouldn't)

Olynyk (maybe some team gives up a 2nd rounder for his restricted rights? Would probably be worth a late 1st if not an RFA)

2017 Clippers 2nd
Jackson, Nader, Mickey (some sort of mid-late second round pick)

2017 Cleveland 2nd


Some notes:

- I suspect Brown and Zizic are actually worth roughly the same (#10-ish pick in this year's draft) at this point.  Fairly or unfairly, Brown has been shoehorned into a narrative of only being the #3 pick because the 2016 draft was terrible, and he hasn't done anything to really boost his value in the small minutes he's been given (thankfully, he hasn't done anything to tank it either.) 

Zizic hasn't actually played in the NBA yet so he still has the mystique-factor going for him, and the Adriatic League and Euroleague stats he's posted are pretty staggering for a 20-year old.  If he came out this year instead of last year, I suspect he'd go as high as #11 given how thin the big-man crop is.  He could be second big off the board if Giles slides.

- People undersell the Memphis 2019 pick a lot.  It is only 1-8 protected that year and 1-6 protected the next.  With Gasol at 35 and Conley at 32, there's a decent chance that Memphis is a lottery team by 2019 and we net a pick in the #9-14 range.  This is not some random bull**** first-rounder like the 2019 Clippers pick.  It's either a valuable trade chip or could give us a chance to reload with a legit prospect after we're already contenders.

- Our own picks in 2018 and 2019 are also low-key important assets.  There are a lot of good players in bad situations where the selling team may be willing to settle for multiple middling picks stapled together. (See, e.g., Anthony, Ibaka, Nurkic). Not necessarily saying we should trade for these players, but if we want to, our own future picks are good hard currency to do so with. 

- Rozier is really difficult to gauge because he's shown a lot raw skills-wise but has had objectively poor NBA production.  Given his age, I would guess that not a lot of teams would be willing to give up a first rounder for him.

- Yabusele has very little value at this point.  He was originally rated as a second-rounder and with him spending a year playing glorified exhibition games in China, there's no information that helps us guess whether he's an actual NBA player or not.  He has an intriguing skillset, but his value will only materialize (if it ever does) after he's spent a year playing in a real league that gives us projectable data like Zizic has.

That list seems pretty accurate.  The picks are the most valuable.  Jaylen and Zizic would be taken 10-15 in the upcoming draft.