The 2017 Brooklyn pick alone is an overpay for Jimmy Butler

[JBcat]

I don't think the pick is an overpay for Butler, but I'd much rather acquire someone like Anthony who will cost far less to acquire and provides as much if not more offensively (though considerably less defensively).

I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm leaning this way too, and if we play Melo at the 4 he's played reasonable defense there over the past 4 years.  We could have the best of both worlds holding on to the Nets pick.  I haven't looked at it has stats very closely, but I think he is a little more of team player with passing than his younger days. 

[trickybilly]

Obviously Danny is holding off proposing the 17 pick, which is why no deal yet. Love to know what OKC, the Knicks and whoever else is offering Sac, they are wise to hold off until Danny trumps whatever the other kids are offering..

[wdleehi]

I think the length of pieces mentioned is too much.


I could see trading the 2017 pick along with a future non-nets pick and a starting swing (AB or Crowder) along with a deeper bench player (Rozier, not Smart or Brown) plus the cap filler. 


But that is easily the max. 


But I can see the push to move the 2018 instead of the 2017. 

Or, put a small protection on the 1st.  Top 2 or 3 protection that rolls over to next year pick unprotected.   

[Moranis]

I don't think the pick is an overpay for Butler, but I'd much rather acquire someone like Anthony who will cost far less to acquire and provides as much if not more offensively (though considerably less defensively).

I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm leaning this way too, and if we play Melo at the 4 he's played reasonable defense there over the past 4 years.  We could have the best of both worlds holding on to the Nets pick.  I haven't looked at it has stats very closely, but I think he is a little more of team player with passing than his younger days.

I really don't get where Anthony got the ball stopper reputation from.  He has always been a respectable passer.  Slightly lesser than Pierce at their respective points in their career, but Anthony has been a better scorer than Pierce at their respective points in their career.  Also, while Anthony had a bit higher USG than Pierce, he has turned the ball over a good deal less. 

Anthony is one of the best pure scorers in league history.  He can post people up, take people off the dribble, and hit long three pointers with hands in his face.  For a SF he is an excellent rebounder and a respectable passer.  He turns the ball over very little for someone with the ball in his hand as much as Anthony has it.  And while he doesn't give full effort defensively a lot of the time, in large part because of his offensive load, he is respectable enough defensively when he needs to be and puts in the effort. 

Anthony would be a near perfect small ball PF for this team.  He provides the missing offensive dimensions the team needs and can't really be much worse defensively than the current team, especially against the quicker more perimeter oriented PF's that Horford, Johnson, and Olynyk really can't guard anyway. 

So for me, while Butler is a better all around player, I'm not sure he is really a better fit, and he would certainly cost a heck of a lot more to acquire.  At most Anthony is going to cost Brown and salary filler, at most.  He might just cost salary filler and some future late firsts.  Seems like a pretty clear no brainer to me that Carmelo Anthony should be a Boston Celtic.

[CelticGuardian]

I don't think the pick is an overpay for Butler, but I'd much rather acquire someone like Anthony who will cost far less to acquire and provides as much if not more offensively (though considerably less defensively).

I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm leaning this way too, and if we play Melo at the 4 he's played reasonable defense there over the past 4 years.  We could have the best of both worlds holding on to the Nets pick.  I haven't looked at it has stats very closely, but I think he is a little more of team player with passing than his younger days.

I really don't get where Anthony got the ball stopper reputation from.  He has always been a respectable passer.  Slightly lesser than Pierce at their respective points in their career, but Anthony has been a better scorer than Pierce at their respective points in their career.  Also, while Anthony had a bit higher USG than Pierce, he has turned the ball over a good deal less. 

Anthony is one of the best pure scorers in league history.  He can post people up, take people off the dribble, and hit long three pointers with hands in his face.  For a SF he is an excellent rebounder and a respectable passer.  He turns the ball over very little for someone with the ball in his hand as much as Anthony has it.  And while he doesn't give full effort defensively a lot of the time, in large part because of his offensive load, he is respectable enough defensively when he needs to be and puts in the effort. 

Anthony would be a near perfect small ball PF for this team.  He provides the missing offensive dimensions the team needs and can't really be much worse defensively than the current team, especially against the quicker more perimeter oriented PF's that Horford, Johnson, and Olynyk really can't guard anyway. 

So for me, while Butler is a better all around player, I'm not sure he is really a better fit, and he would certainly cost a heck of a lot more to acquire.  At most Anthony is going to cost Brown and salary filler, at most.  He might just cost salary filler and some future late firsts.  Seems like a pretty clear no brainer to me that Carmelo Anthony should be a Boston Celtic.

I rather not give up 9 years of what Brown can be for what could most likely be just two years of Hezo Melo.

[PaulAllen]

my rule of thumb is will the player in exchange put them over the top of the Cavs?

Butler no..

Now if you want to talk Davis, Cousins, Westbrook, Curry , or Durant thats a different story ...

These picks are to make the team the best , not just great...

[wdleehi]

my rule of thumb is will the player in exchange put them over the top of the Cavs?

Butler no..

Now if you want to talk Davis, Cousins, Westbrook, Curry , or Durant thats a different story ...

These picks are to make the team the best , not just great...

Then there will never be a trade.


There is not a single player out there that is available to trade to put the Celtics over the top on paper. 


The better question is does it  get the team closer while leaving the wiggle room to add another impact player down the line. 


I think the Celtics can do that with a trade to get Butler. 

I believe there should be enough left to go after a good big man to fill the hole. 


Therefor, I am good with the idea of trading for Butler as long as it doesn't cost all of the Celtic depth and draft pick list. 

[oldtype]

The 2017 pick is what the Bulls want.  The 2018 pick is what the Celtics will probably be willing to give.  That's why there's no trade yet.

[Vox_Populi]

I don't think the pick is an overpay for Butler, but I'd much rather acquire someone like Anthony who will cost far less to acquire and provides as much if not more offensively (though considerably less defensively).

Eh...

[footey]

The 2017 pick is what the Bulls want.  The 2018 pick is what the Celtics will probably be willing to give.  That's why there's no trade yet.

If true, make the 2017 pick top 2 protected, and if it lands top 2, give them 2018 unprotected.

Personally, I would not agree to this for Celts, but that is an idea if what you said is true.

[Moranis]

The 2017 pick is what the Bulls want.  The 2018 pick is what the Celtics will probably be willing to give.  That's why there's no trade yet.

If true, make the 2017 pick top 2 protected, and if it lands top 2, give them 2018 unprotected.

Personally, I would not agree to this for Celts, but that is an idea if what you said is true.

I'm pretty sure you can't protect a pick that comes from someone else.

[GreenShooter]

The 2017 pick is what the Bulls want.  The 2018 pick is what the Celtics will probably be willing to give.  That's why there's no trade yet.

If true, make the 2017 pick top 2 protected, and if it lands top 2, give them 2018 unprotected.

Personally, I would not agree to this for Celts, but that is an idea if what you said is true.

I'm pretty sure you can't protect a pick that comes from someone else.

If you're trading a pick you currently own, even if you got it from someone else and as long as that pick is unprotected, you can put any kind of restrictions on it as long as the other team is ok with it (and is within the rules, like trading your own pick 2 years in a row).

[CoachBo]

my rule of thumb is will the player in exchange put them over the top of the Cavs?

Butler no..

Now if you want to talk Davis, Cousins, Westbrook, Curry , or Durant thats a different story ...

These picks are to make the team the best , not just great...

Then there will never be a trade.


There is not a single player out there that is available to trade to put the Celtics over the top on paper. 


The better question is does it  get the team closer while leaving the wiggle room to add another impact player down the line. 


I think the Celtics can do that with a trade to get Butler. 

I believe there should be enough left to go after a good big man to fill the hole. 


Therefor, I am good with the idea of trading for Butler as long as it doesn't cost all of the Celtic depth and draft pick list.

Pretty good rule of thumb, especially in light of the total disruption that Anthony would provide - he can't defend, he doesn't pass, et al - to what Stevens and Ainge have built. A move for Anthony is a Vin Baker-caliber mistake.

People need to get over this fascination with assets. It's time to spend some of them.

[Moranis]

The 2017 pick is what the Bulls want.  The 2018 pick is what the Celtics will probably be willing to give.  That's why there's no trade yet.

If true, make the 2017 pick top 2 protected, and if it lands top 2, give them 2018 unprotected.

Personally, I would not agree to this for Celts, but that is an idea if what you said is true.

I'm pretty sure you can't protect a pick that comes from someone else.

If you're trading a pick you currently own, even if you got it from someone else and as long as that pick is unprotected, you can put any kind of restrictions on it as long as the other team is ok with it (and is within the rules, like trading your own pick 2 years in a row).

we don't currently own the Nets 2017 pick.  We own the right to swap picks with them.

[GreenShooter]

The 2017 pick is what the Bulls want.  The 2018 pick is what the Celtics will probably be willing to give.  That's why there's no trade yet.

If true, make the 2017 pick top 2 protected, and if it lands top 2, give them 2018 unprotected.

Personally, I would not agree to this for Celts, but that is an idea if what you said is true.

I'm pretty sure you can't protect a pick that comes from someone else.

If you're trading a pick you currently own, even if you got it from someone else and as long as that pick is unprotected, you can put any kind of restrictions on it as long as the other team is ok with it (and is within the rules, like trading your own pick 2 years in a row).

we don't currently own the Nets 2017 pick.  We own the right to swap picks with them.

Technically yes but in reality that pick is ours so we can word it however is needed.