The 2017 Brooklyn pick alone is an overpay for Jimmy Butler

[mr. dee]

One of the few LarBrd post that I completely agree with.

[konkmv]

the nets pick should be traded only if it falls from the 2 first places.... if it is 1 or 2 i would only trade it for davis cousins and towns

[Sixth Man]

Well put Larbrd33 !

What about the mental state of the players?
All the players mentioned in op post were strong mentally before the trade. Nobody whines or fight with other team mates.

Interesting post, LarBrd33, thank you.   I agree with LGC88 that the mental makeup of players is important, especially to Stevens and Ainge.  Butler is a terrific scorer/defender with the work ethic to succeed in Boston, but I believe he is also a "finger pointer" who may not be able to play will with other children.

I'd much rather include Smart or AB in any deal for Butler, not Crowder. 

[Emmette Bryant]

TP for not mentioning the 76ers once.

[SHAQATTACK]

Agree mostly with OP .   

He is not worth the 2017 pick ,     Maybe the 2018 and some players.


Anthony Davis is worth both picks .....a franchise 10 year player with the right cast can hang multiple banners.

[The One]

Nice post!!

[moiso]

could I have a tl;dr version?

im sure there are some good points in there, but this is a dissertation not a forum post.

The last sentence in his post pretty much made the entire point.  Haha.

[Who]

I see this draft as having multiple players with All-Star potential.

Not convinced there are multiple superstars here. Fultz has the best chance at it but he is far from a sure thing (superstar wise) and has good likelihood of topping out as an All-Star.

I see no problem with trading this pick (All-Star potential) for Jimmy Butler (proven All-Star).

[Irish Stew]

TP for thoughtful analysis. While I understand that Fultz and Ball are higher quality prospects than Smart and Brown because they can actually shoot, the beauty of Butler is that he will hit the floor running and his contract is a bargain, which needs to be factored into his cost of acquisition. The clock is ticking on Horford because of age and on Thomas and Bradley because of contracts.The slow leisurely rebuild advocated by many may leave us just as far from contending as we are right now.

[Moranis]

I don't think the pick is an overpay for Butler, but I'd much rather acquire someone like Anthony who will cost far less to acquire and provides as much if not more offensively (though considerably less defensively). 

[PAOBoston]

I wouldn't have an issue trading the 2017 pick. But not both picks.

AB, Rozier, BRK 17, some Non-BRK picks, and their picks of Yabusele/Zizic/etc.

[TrueFan]

could I have a tl;dr version?

TL;DR:  Joel Embiid is not walking through that door.

You are pure gold. Haha. I honestly cannot believe people want to remove you from this forum. Fantastic thread. Nice comeback.

Best line - Not all drafts are created equally.

That is the one thing people seem to not understand.

[chilidawg]

I wouldn't have an issue trading the 2017 pick. But not both picks.

AB, Rozier, BRK 17, some Non-BRK picks, and their picks of Yabusele/Zizic/etc.

Not sure I'd give up quite that much.  AB, BRK 17, one other first, Yabusele. 

I think Butler is a top ten player, and certainly would put us in a position to contend for a title.  I don't think there is an obvious transcendant player in the draft that's worth holding out for.  Bird in the hand (Butler) is worth two in the bush (plus AB).

[crimson_stallion]

A lot of people might be changing their minds when the C's show up 3rd of 4th on lottery night, even with the best odds.

Butler is a borderline top-10 player (definite top-10 player if you go by All-Star starters) on an excellent contract with a two-way skillset at the highly coveted wing position.

People are crazy if they think that they can get Butler without the 2017 Brooklyn pick. It's not going to happen. Period.

Of course, that's completely different than thinking he's not WORTH trading the 2017 Brooklyn pick for. I can certainly see that argument, but personally I think he is.

Still would rather have a Boogie trade, though.

Question for LarBrd33 - is Boogie worth the 2017 Brooklyn pick to you?

Agree with you 100%

I would absolutely trade the 2017 pick for Butler.

We need a 25 PPG scoring two way wing  right now FAR more then we need a PG prospect to split time between Thomas, Smart and Rozier while slowly developing for the next 3 years before finally becoming a an effective nba player as Al Horford hits the age of 34 in the last year of his contract.

And the luck has more value now then it will whey we draft somebody - all the value is in the team having the decision on who to draft.

The worst team rarely ever talks in to pick #1.  Most likely that we get #2 or #3.  One Lottery is done if we land in #3 the value of the pick drops massively. Right now the value is sky high because of the high chance of our falling top 2.  That pick head a lot of value to a young team who needs a PG.  It's more valuable to a team like that then it is to us.  We should take advantage of that and strike while the iron is hot.

[CoachBo]

LOL at the OP.

Butler is indeed a top 10 player in the league, and Ainge is Ainge on draft night.

I can't stop laughing.