Will "The Bank" make fireworks?

[A Future of Stevens]

Yeah, the State of Perpetual Rebuild is such fun, obsessing over Zizic, Abdel Nader, wondering who the reach is that Ainge will snag with the second pick in the draft and things like that.

I like Butler - but I'd also look hard at lesser moves, like Bogut, Vucevic and finding out whether Ibaka is cooked or in a terrible situation.

I'm on your side for the second half of that statement. I also like Butler, a lot. I just don't think cleaning the cupboards out for a player of Butler's caliber puts us over the top. So basically we can continue to rebuild patiently, or we can go all in and more likely than not come up short.

Now making a smart lesser move (the exact 3 you mentioned) seems like a good plan to me. I like Noel more than Ibaka at this point, but who knows.

[footey]

'One NBA executive has taken to calling Danny Ainge “The Bank.” “Because you can’t do business unless you go to the bank,” he said.' – via Boston Herald

No one of substance has been discussed besides Carmelo who I can't imaging the Celtics see as a good move at this stage in his career.

I'm predicting it now. Celtics will trade for Jimmy Butler...

Package: Brooklyn '18/Jaylen Brown/Marcus Smart/Amir Johnson for Jimmy Butler

We retain Brooklyn '17 and draft Fultz. New lineup:

Thomas
Bradley
Butler
Crowder
Horford

That won't be enough to get Butler.

Good because it would be stupid for Ainge to do that.

[Fireworks_Boom!]

It is time to make major moves to accelerate. This team is fun and competing at a high level but our impending contract decisions in coming years will force a reboot to some degree so the better we can get ahead of it the better off we'll be.

I LOVE Jaylen Brown's game...he is an exciting rookie. I would love to retain him but it is time to acquire a long term foundational building block that you can bet the long term on. Jimmy Butler falls into this class. He is young and relatively cost controlled on a max deal from previous CBA.

Cousins would be another. Anyone over the age of 30 is just a horrible idea unless the returning trade parts has nothing to do with JB, Smart or Brooklyn picks.

If I'm Ainge I finally make a splash. Cousins or Butler have to be the targets.

[tankcity!]

Giving up on JB this early would be dumb. The Chauncey trade was a ridiculously impatient move. Danny needs to learn from others' mistakes.

If I had a young Chauncey Billups right now, knowing full well who he was going to become - I would trade him for Jimmy Butler.

Nobody on this forum knows that Brown is really going to be that good.  He may become great, he may struggle to hold a starting spot throughout his career. Nobody knows. 

If Danny used the same way of thinking back in 08 we never would have traded Jefferson for KG, and we wouldn't have banner #17. 

Butler is a really, really good player.  Not prime KG good, but he's not far off prime Paul Pierce good. Finals MVP or no Finals MVP - Chauncey Billups was never in his life as good as Butler is now.

I disagree here. And older Paul Pierce was able to shut down a prime Kobe on D in the Finals. Imagine Pierce in his prime. He lost a step by the time we were true contenders.

I don't get the infatuation with Butler. Do you think he is going to make us that much better? I can see him as a 2nd player on a Championship contendar, but if I'm going to trade that much assets, I expect to get a #1 or top ten player.

I think people forget how good Paul George was just last year in the playoffs. He's an amazing two way player. He did very well against Derozan. I don't think Butler is good on D personally. He also isn't a reliable three point shooter. George would flourish in our system and I think he is a true #1, potential top ten player if he played in our system.

[CoachBo]

It is time to make major moves to accelerate. This team is fun and competing at a high level but our impending contract decisions in coming years will force a reboot to some degree so the better we can get ahead of it the better off we'll be.

I LOVE Jaylen Brown's game...he is an exciting rookie. I would love to retain him but it is time to acquire a long term foundational building block that you can bet the long term on. Jimmy Butler falls into this class. He is young and relatively cost controlled on a max deal from previous CBA.

Cousins would be another. Anyone over the age of 30 is just a horrible idea unless the returning trade parts has nothing to do with JB, Smart or Brooklyn picks.

If I'm Ainge I finally make a splash. Cousins or Butler have to be the targets.

Butler's critics on this board are clueless. I like his game a lot.

The question is the price, for a team that has one legitimate star-quality building block in IT4, who is going to have to be maxed.

It continues to make more sense in my mind for Chicago to blow out the other stiffs they've acquired - Rondo, Wade - and try to rebuild around Butler, then to move him. But there are indications of a schism between Butler, the Mayor and the mess that is the Bulls front office, so perhaps a rebuild around him is impossible.

Noel is indeed another lesser option worth investigating, as something of significance needs to be done at the deadline to shore up the rebounding and rim issues, or we're going to waste another season with nothing tangible accomplished in the playoffs.

[tankcity!]

It is time to make major moves to accelerate. This team is fun and competing at a high level but our impending contract decisions in coming years will force a reboot to some degree so the better we can get ahead of it the better off we'll be.

I LOVE Jaylen Brown's game...he is an exciting rookie. I would love to retain him but it is time to acquire a long term foundational building block that you can bet the long term on. Jimmy Butler falls into this class. He is young and relatively cost controlled on a max deal from previous CBA.

Cousins would be another. Anyone over the age of 30 is just a horrible idea unless the returning trade parts has nothing to do with JB, Smart or Brooklyn picks.

If I'm Ainge I finally make a splash. Cousins or Butler have to be the targets.

Butler's critics on this board are clueless. I like his game a lot.

The question is the price, for a team that has one legitimate star-quality building block in IT4, who is going to have to be maxed.

Noel is indeed another lesser option worth investigating, as something of significance needs to be done at the deadline to shore up the rebounding and rim issues, or we're going to waste another season with nothing tangible accomplished in the playoffs.

You said Taureen Prince is better than Jae Crowder.  I would take your scouting ability with a grain of salt.

[CoachBo]

It is time to make major moves to accelerate. This team is fun and competing at a high level but our impending contract decisions in coming years will force a reboot to some degree so the better we can get ahead of it the better off we'll be.

I LOVE Jaylen Brown's game...he is an exciting rookie. I would love to retain him but it is time to acquire a long term foundational building block that you can bet the long term on. Jimmy Butler falls into this class. He is young and relatively cost controlled on a max deal from previous CBA.

Cousins would be another. Anyone over the age of 30 is just a horrible idea unless the returning trade parts has nothing to do with JB, Smart or Brooklyn picks.

If I'm Ainge I finally make a splash. Cousins or Butler have to be the targets.

Butler's critics on this board are clueless. I like his game a lot.

The question is the price, for a team that has one legitimate star-quality building block in IT4, who is going to have to be maxed.

Noel is indeed another lesser option worth investigating, as something of significance needs to be done at the deadline to shore up the rebounding and rim issues, or we're going to waste another season with nothing tangible accomplished in the playoffs.

You said Taureen Prince is better than Jae Crowder.  I would take your scouting ability with a grain of salt.

I challenge you to post where I said that.

I said no such thing. Your statement is as much a fabrication as the absurd mis-assessments of Butler's skill set in this thread that have left me laughing hysterically.

And I await your apology in this thread.

[tankcity!]

It is time to make major moves to accelerate. This team is fun and competing at a high level but our impending contract decisions in coming years will force a reboot to some degree so the better we can get ahead of it the better off we'll be.

I LOVE Jaylen Brown's game...he is an exciting rookie. I would love to retain him but it is time to acquire a long term foundational building block that you can bet the long term on. Jimmy Butler falls into this class. He is young and relatively cost controlled on a max deal from previous CBA.

Cousins would be another. Anyone over the age of 30 is just a horrible idea unless the returning trade parts has nothing to do with JB, Smart or Brooklyn picks.

If I'm Ainge I finally make a splash. Cousins or Butler have to be the targets.

Butler's critics on this board are clueless. I like his game a lot.

The question is the price, for a team that has one legitimate star-quality building block in IT4, who is going to have to be maxed.

Noel is indeed another lesser option worth investigating, as something of significance needs to be done at the deadline to shore up the rebounding and rim issues, or we're going to waste another season with nothing tangible accomplished in the playoffs.

You said Taureen Prince is better than Jae Crowder.  I would take your scouting ability with a grain of salt.

I challenge you to post where I said that.

I said no such thing. Your statement is as much a fabrication as the absurd mis-assessments of Butler's skill set in this thread that have left me laughing hysterically.

And I await your apology in this thread.

Haha, I actually have never read it myself. People on this thread claim you said that though.

[CoachBo]

It is time to make major moves to accelerate. This team is fun and competing at a high level but our impending contract decisions in coming years will force a reboot to some degree so the better we can get ahead of it the better off we'll be.

I LOVE Jaylen Brown's game...he is an exciting rookie. I would love to retain him but it is time to acquire a long term foundational building block that you can bet the long term on. Jimmy Butler falls into this class. He is young and relatively cost controlled on a max deal from previous CBA.

Cousins would be another. Anyone over the age of 30 is just a horrible idea unless the returning trade parts has nothing to do with JB, Smart or Brooklyn picks.

If I'm Ainge I finally make a splash. Cousins or Butler have to be the targets.

Butler's critics on this board are clueless. I like his game a lot.

The question is the price, for a team that has one legitimate star-quality building block in IT4, who is going to have to be maxed.

Noel is indeed another lesser option worth investigating, as something of significance needs to be done at the deadline to shore up the rebounding and rim issues, or we're going to waste another season with nothing tangible accomplished in the playoffs.

You said Taureen Prince is better than Jae Crowder.  I would take your scouting ability with a grain of salt.

I challenge you to post where I said that.

I said no such thing. Your statement is as much a fabrication as the absurd mis-assessments of Butler's skill set in this thread that have left me laughing hysterically.

And I await your apology in this thread.

Haha, I actually have never read it myself. People on this thread claim you said that though.

So then you understand how I view your credibility, eh?

This board has become RealGM East. Sad.

[bdm860]

I'm definitely getting excited about the possibility of the big trade, I know a lot of you are too.

Unfortunately I'm worried this gif represents the build up vs the outcome:

[tankcity!]

It is time to make major moves to accelerate. This team is fun and competing at a high level but our impending contract decisions in coming years will force a reboot to some degree so the better we can get ahead of it the better off we'll be.

I LOVE Jaylen Brown's game...he is an exciting rookie. I would love to retain him but it is time to acquire a long term foundational building block that you can bet the long term on. Jimmy Butler falls into this class. He is young and relatively cost controlled on a max deal from previous CBA.

Cousins would be another. Anyone over the age of 30 is just a horrible idea unless the returning trade parts has nothing to do with JB, Smart or Brooklyn picks.

If I'm Ainge I finally make a splash. Cousins or Butler have to be the targets.

Butler's critics on this board are clueless. I like his game a lot.

The question is the price, for a team that has one legitimate star-quality building block in IT4, who is going to have to be maxed.

Noel is indeed another lesser option worth investigating, as something of significance needs to be done at the deadline to shore up the rebounding and rim issues, or we're going to waste another season with nothing tangible accomplished in the playoffs.

You said Taureen Prince is better than Jae Crowder.  I would take your scouting ability with a grain of salt.

I challenge you to post where I said that.

I said no such thing. Your statement is as much a fabrication as the absurd mis-assessments of Butler's skill set in this thread that have left me laughing hysterically.

And I await your apology in this thread.

Haha, I actually have never read it myself. People on this thread claim you said that though.

So then you understand how I view your credibility, eh?

This board has become RealGM East. Sad.

Okay ignore my previous comment if it was untrue. Let's get back on topic. Are you saying Butler will make us a contender? So are you saying we can beat GS or Cleveland with him?

[nickagneta]

It is time to make major moves to accelerate. This team is fun and competing at a high level but our impending contract decisions in coming years will force a reboot to some degree so the better we can get ahead of it the better off we'll be.

I LOVE Jaylen Brown's game...he is an exciting rookie. I would love to retain him but it is time to acquire a long term foundational building block that you can bet the long term on. Jimmy Butler falls into this class. He is young and relatively cost controlled on a max deal from previous CBA.

Cousins would be another. Anyone over the age of 30 is just a horrible idea unless the returning trade parts has nothing to do with JB, Smart or Brooklyn picks.

If I'm Ainge I finally make a splash. Cousins or Butler have to be the targets.

Butler's critics on this board are clueless. I like his game a lot.

The question is the price, for a team that has one legitimate star-quality building block in IT4, who is going to have to be maxed.

Noel is indeed another lesser option worth investigating, as something of significance needs to be done at the deadline to shore up the rebounding and rim issues, or we're going to waste another season with nothing tangible accomplished in the playoffs.

You said Taureen Prince is better than Jae Crowder.  I would take your scouting ability with a grain of salt.

Pretty sure that was BeatLA that said that, not CoachBo.

[Fireworks_Boom!]

In reading the salary cap (http://www.celticsblog.com/2017/1/15/14281028/celtics-salary-cap-update-new-cba-edition) analysis saltlover put out in January 15th (TP saltlover), it would appear the cap holds for draft picks and the Kelly Olynyk situation are what is impacting our ability to sign a max free agent 7-9 years experience (Hayward, Griffin, etc.).

So with that being said the Brooklyn picks are both a blessing and curse.

Having said all this, who would say no to these moves:

Trade Deadline Move:

Celtics trade Jae Crowder/Marcus Smart/Amir Johnson/Brooklyn '17 & '18 for DeMarcus Cousins/Omri Casspi
Reason: Obvious (Rim protector Big) and we lose cap holds for Brooklyn pick

Offseason Move:

Extend qualifying offer to KO. Withdraw before July 15th freeing up cap space for 7-9 year Max FA. Sign Gordon Hayward.

New Team:

Thomas
Bradley
Hayward
Horford
Cousins

Bench: Brown, Casspi, Jerebko, Zizic, Yabusele, Nader, Rozier, Mickey, Jackson, MLE, Vet Minimum (with our starting roster we're sure to attract a lot).

This team competes with anyone. Bench

[Darío SpanishFan]

Having said all this, who would say no to these moves:

Trade Deadline Move:

Celtics trade Jae Crowder/Marcus Smart/Amir Johnson/Brooklyn '17 & '18 for DeMarcus Cousins/Omri Casspi
Reason: Obvious (Rim protector Big) and we lose cap holds for Brooklyn pick

Sacramento, it's pretty obvious. We don't get one Cousins' leg with that package.

If they were sure nº 1 picks, maybe...but not now.

[saltlover]

In reading the salary cap (http://www.celticsblog.com/2017/1/15/14281028/celtics-salary-cap-update-new-cba-edition) analysis saltlover put out in January 15th (TP saltlover), it would appear the cap holds for draft picks and the Kelly Olynyk situation are what is impacting our ability to sign a max free agent 7-9 years experience (Hayward, Griffin, etc.).

So with that being said the Brooklyn picks are both a blessing and curse.

Having said all this, who would say no to these moves:

Trade Deadline Move:

Celtics trade Jae Crowder/Marcus Smart/Amir Johnson/Brooklyn '17 & '18 for DeMarcus Cousins/Omri Casspi
Reason: Obvious (Rim protector Big) and we lose cap holds for Brooklyn pick

Offseason Move:

Extend qualifying offer to KO. Withdraw before July 15th freeing up cap space for 7-9 year Max FA. Sign Gordon Hayward.

New Team:

Thomas
Bradley
Hayward
Horford
Cousins

Bench: Brown, Casspi, Jerebko, Zizic, Yabusele, Nader, Rozier, Mickey, Jackson, MLE, Vet Minimum (with our starting roster we're sure to attract a lot).

This team competes with anyone. Bench

So I know you love your fireworks, but:

1) Jerebko and Casspi both have cap holds that cut into available cap space, unless you're proposing to re-sign them for the minimum.

2) Even if you renounce both Jerebko and Casspi to clear their cap holds, and let Olynyk walk, you will not have room to give Hayward the max.  You'd be short by $3-4 million.