Inside The NBA Crew Thinks BOS Should Make Big Splash (Which I View A Mistake)

[Phantom255x]

I don't know if you guys saw, but they were discussing if Ainge and the Celtics should target Carmelo Anthony. Most of them said no, but Chuck thinks BOS should really make a big splash for *someone* to secure #2 in the East and battle with Cleveland, and Kenny and Shaq believed they should do that as well.

I mean... Do they not realize that Ainge and the Celtics likely know they won't win a championship this year, and maybe not next year either?

The goal should be, IMO, develop young guys like Brown/Smart, extend IT+Smart, draft with next two Brooklyn Picks, and package Bradley + future picks for a legit, young big who can REBOUND, and see what FA is available this summer (who knows? Maybe Hayward does like Boston? Or Noel?). Then as players develop and picks hopefully begin to contribute, the Celtics can enter an era of long term contention while hopefully Cleveland and Golden State cool off 2-3 years from now (with the $$$, both teams can't afford to keep a good bench, and LBJ is getting older).

Yes I hope the Celtics keep the #2 seed and CBS gets chosen to coach the ASG as well (recruitment purposes as well with IT lol..), and I hope they make the ECF (show progression this season). Also I would like to see Ainge make a small move for someone like Nurkic or Bogut. But in reality this team still is not a legit championship contender, but they should be hopefully 2-3 years from now.

What do you guys think? Agree with what I'm saying?

[tarheelsxxiii]

Agreed.

[PhoSita]

National media says this stuff because they want the East to be more interesting, even though they must realize the only way an East team is beating Cleveland is if LeBron gets hurt.

They're not saying this from the perspective of what makes sense for the Celts long term.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

Carmelo is an awful fit. He's the forward version of a Big Al type center. This isn't the 90s, and you don't win games by watching him palm the ball, stare at the basket and jack two dozen contested fadeaway 18 footers.

Not to mention he's got a zero percent chance of looking in the mirror, realizing he's the 3rd best player on the C's and accepting that for the good of the team.

I like Melo the person, but he's an awful fit for you guys.

[celtics2030]

it seems like with every post i see

Im starting to love Ray Allen more and more and realize how right he was and how wrong Celtic fans were. Actually how hypocritical they are.

Now Bradley becomes the guy who needs to go and Smart becomes the guy we need to extend.

Funny.

I love Smart, but I would deal him in a Giffy for the right deal. It's not that he sucks or is not good, but he is not a superstar and If you give him even the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team, the team will not succeed. Unless you think Smart will become a good scorer. Smart fits perfectly for the Celtics, poised, listens, works hard, defends, busts his butt, and Brad should get some credit here too. The guy is shooting 35% and 30%, and still manages to be a huge huge component of the success.

Bradley is already proven. Can light it up and can defend , rebound, but he is the guy you want to package. Good job Bradley , all that hard work and this is what you get.

BUSINESS!

[crimson_stallion]

it seems like with every post i see

Im starting to love Ray Allen more and more and realize how right he was and how wrong Celtic fans were. Actually how hypocritical they are.

Now Bradley becomes the guy who needs to go and Smart becomes the guy we need to extend.

Funny.

I love Smart, but I would deal him in a Giffy for the right deal. It's not that he sucks or is not good, but he is not a superstar and If you give him even the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team, the team will not succeed. Unless you think Smart will become a good scorer.

Bradley is already proven. Can light it up and can defend , rebound, but he is the guy you want to package. Good job Bradley , all that hard work and this is what you get.

BUSINESS!

I would have no problems moving Smart.  In fact secretly, I would kinda like to - I don't think his upside is very high, and at the same time I'm not overly fond of his attitude.  I can somewhat excuse arrogance if you are a superstar caliber talent who has proven your dominance (e.g. Shaq, DMC, Lebron).  But when you are a 22 year old role player who hasn't proven a thing you haven't yet earned that right - so shut your mouth and play the game.   

Bradley I would not trade however, unless it was one of those amazing golden deals that you just can't say no to.  Like Anthony Davis, for example. 

It would be hard for me to even accept giving him up for Demarcus Cousins, and I LOVE Cousins as a player.  Bradley is just one of those guys who managed to get under every opponents skin and makes game winning plays on both ends of the court, but he does it without ever having to resort to thug tactics (the way guys like Draymond Green and Marcus Smart do).  He just does it with pure effort and hustle and by just outworking everybody else.  He's a class act, and I would be heartbroken to see him go. 

[KGs Knee]

Carmelo is an awful fit. He's the forward version of a Big Al type center. This isn't the 90s, and you don't win games by watching him palm the ball, stare at the basket and jack two dozen contested fadeaway 18 footers.

Not to mention he's got a zero percent chance of looking in the mirror, realizing he's the 3rd best player on the C's and accepting that for the good of the team.

I like Melo the person, but he's an awful fit for you guys.

If, and that's a big if, Ainge were to trade for Melo it owuld only be after some serious face to face discussions that get to your point about where Melo views himself in the pecking order.

I still think at the end of the day Ainge just does not like that contract, and would prefer to have cap space this summer.

And quite frankly, I think Ainge chasing free agents this summer is the bigger mistake.  None of the options out there are likely to choose Boston, because we can't offer any where near the same money.  Players like Millsap and Ibaka are what Boston is looking at.  I'd rather just pay Melo for two more years then pay either of them just as much money but for 4 years.

Our only other better option is suck it up and trade the Brooklyn pick(s).  Problem is, that 2017 pick is only at its absolute most value if it actually becomes the #1 pick.  Ditto for 2018.  Maybe Ainge gets lucky and some GM panics, but I think other GM's are so leery of him now they aren't going into a deal blind.

[tarheelsxxiii]

it seems like with every post i see

Im starting to love Ray Allen more and more and realize how right he was and how wrong Celtic fans were. Actually how hypocritical they are.

Now Bradley becomes the guy who needs to go and Smart becomes the guy we need to extend.

Funny.

I love Smart, but I would deal him in a Giffy for the right deal. It's not that he sucks or is not good, but he is not a superstar and If you give him even the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team, the team will not succeed. Unless you think Smart will become a good scorer.

Bradley is already proven. Can light it up and can defend , rebound, but he is the guy you want to package. Good job Bradley , all that hard work and this is what you get.

BUSINESS!

I would have no problems moving Smart.  In fact secretly, I would kinda like to - I don't think his upside is very high, and at the same time I'm not overly fond of his attitude.  I can somewhat excuse arrogance if you are a superstar caliber talent who has proven your dominance (e.g. Shaq, DMC, Lebron).  But when you are a 22 year old role player who hasn't proven a thing you haven't yet earned that right - so shut your mouth and play the game.   

Bradley I would not trade however, unless it was one of those amazing golden deals that you just can't say no to.  Like Anthony Davis, for example. 

It would be hard for me to even accept giving him up for Demarcus Cousins, and I LOVE Cousins as a player.  Bradley is just one of those guys who managed to get under every opponents skin and makes game winning plays on both ends of the court, but he does it without ever having to resort to thug tactics (the way guys like Draymond Green and Marcus Smart do).  He just does it with pure effort and hustle and by just outworking everybody else.  He's a class act, and I would be heartbroken to see him go.

I'd move Smart, too, but not for Carmelo Anthony.  Sure doesn't look like any better deals are on the table, either, if you take into consideration our timeline for contention. 

[crimson_stallion]

National media says this stuff because they want the East to be more interesting, even though they must realize the only way an East team is beating Cleveland is if LeBron gets hurt.

They're not saying this from the perspective of what makes sense for the Celts long term.

I disagree. 

If Boston pulled of even a modest trade (like adding Vucevic) we'd be a VERY tough out for the Cavs. 

If we added Melo, we would undoubtedly have the ability to beat them in a 7 games series.  Not saying we would beat them, but the series could go either way.

[KGs Knee]

Bradley I would not trade

He's our last link to the KG-PP era.  He stays.

[crimson_stallion]

Carmelo is an awful fit. He's the forward version of a Big Al type center. This isn't the 90s, and you don't win games by watching him palm the ball, stare at the basket and jack two dozen contested fadeaway 18 footers.

Not to mention he's got a zero percent chance of looking in the mirror, realizing he's the 3rd best player on the C's and accepting that for the good of the team.

I like Melo the person, but he's an awful fit for you guys.

If, and that's a big if, Ainge were to trade for Melo it owuld only be after some serious face to face discussions that get to your point about where Melo views himself in the pecking order.

I still think at the end of the day Ainge just does not like that contract, and would prefer to have cap space this summer.

And quite frankly, I think Ainge chasing free agents this summer is the bigger mistake.  None of the options out there are likely to choose Boston, because we can't offer any where near the same money.  Players like Millsap and Ibaka are what Boston is looking at.  I'd rather just pay Melo for two more years then pay either of them just as much money but for 4 years.

Our only other better option is suck it up and trade the Brooklyn pick(s).  Problem is, that 2017 pick is only at its absolute most value if it actually becomes the #1 pick.  Ditto for 2018.  Maybe Ainge gets lucky and some GM panics, but I think other GM's are so leery of him now they aren't going into a deal blind.

Oh how I agree..

I would pay trade for Melo 10x over before I would dream of throwing a max contract at Paul Millsap - he's a terrible fit here who gives us nothing that we need.

When the Hawks played the Cavs last year Millsap tried to match up against Lebron - from what I recall, the result was a little embarrassing.

Carmelo probably wouldn't help this team a huge amount in the regular season, but I don't really care about that - we are already a very good regular season team.  He's help us tremendously in the playoffs, and that is something I do care about.

Melo's ball hoggedness is overrated.  He actually wasn't that bad when he was was playing on some more competitive (ie. playoff bound) Nuggets teams, it's just when he gets on bad teams that he goes the Kobe route - loses faith in his teammates (fair enough, as they suck) and tries to do everything himself. 

In fact If you look at YouTube highlight videos of Melo from this season, almost every video features at least 2 or 3 pretty impressive assists.  He's a very underrated passer and will give up the ball if he has competent help.  He's hovered around the 3 APG range throughout his career and has actually averages a whisker over 1 assist per turnover for his career - which is actually pretty respectable for a guy who has ball as often as he does.   
 
People just like to hate.   You can't mention anybody on this forum without a handful of people "no way, I don't want him, he XYZ".  Last offseason alone people were saying exactly that about Dwight, Horford (I was one of those, admittedly), Butler, Hayward...

Hell I'm sure if you brought up an Anthony Davis for Marcus Smart trade somebody would complain that they don't want to give up Smart. 

[crimson_stallion]

it seems like with every post i see

Im starting to love Ray Allen more and more and realize how right he was and how wrong Celtic fans were. Actually how hypocritical they are.

Now Bradley becomes the guy who needs to go and Smart becomes the guy we need to extend.

Funny.

I love Smart, but I would deal him in a Giffy for the right deal. It's not that he sucks or is not good, but he is not a superstar and If you give him even the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team, the team will not succeed. Unless you think Smart will become a good scorer.

Bradley is already proven. Can light it up and can defend , rebound, but he is the guy you want to package. Good job Bradley , all that hard work and this is what you get.

BUSINESS!

I would have no problems moving Smart.  In fact secretly, I would kinda like to - I don't think his upside is very high, and at the same time I'm not overly fond of his attitude.  I can somewhat excuse arrogance if you are a superstar caliber talent who has proven your dominance (e.g. Shaq, DMC, Lebron).  But when you are a 22 year old role player who hasn't proven a thing you haven't yet earned that right - so shut your mouth and play the game.   

Bradley I would not trade however, unless it was one of those amazing golden deals that you just can't say no to.  Like Anthony Davis, for example. 

It would be hard for me to even accept giving him up for Demarcus Cousins, and I LOVE Cousins as a player.  Bradley is just one of those guys who managed to get under every opponents skin and makes game winning plays on both ends of the court, but he does it without ever having to resort to thug tactics (the way guys like Draymond Green and Marcus Smart do).  He just does it with pure effort and hustle and by just outworking everybody else.  He's a class act, and I would be heartbroken to see him go.

I'd move Smart, too, but not for Carmelo Anthony.  Sure doesn't look like any better deals are on the table, either, if you take into consideration our timeline for contention.

Oh I would absolutely move Smart for Carmelo - I just haven't brought it up because I know how butt-hurt people get on this forum when you bring up any trade possibility that including the apparent future hall-of-famer that is Marcus Smart.  A flame fest is almost certain to follow.

[celtics2030]

it seems like with every post i see

Im starting to love Ray Allen more and more and realize how right he was and how wrong Celtic fans were. Actually how hypocritical they are.

Now Bradley becomes the guy who needs to go and Smart becomes the guy we need to extend.

Funny.

I love Smart, but I would deal him in a Giffy for the right deal. It's not that he sucks or is not good, but he is not a superstar and If you give him even the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team, the team will not succeed. Unless you think Smart will become a good scorer.

Bradley is already proven. Can light it up and can defend , rebound, but he is the guy you want to package. Good job Bradley , all that hard work and this is what you get.

BUSINESS!

I would have no problems moving Smart.  In fact secretly, I would kinda like to - I don't think his upside is very high, and at the same time I'm not overly fond of his attitude.  I can somewhat excuse arrogance if you are a superstar caliber talent who has proven your dominance (e.g. Shaq, DMC, Lebron).  But when you are a 22 year old role player who hasn't proven a thing you haven't yet earned that right - so shut your mouth and play the game.   

Bradley I would not trade however, unless it was one of those amazing golden deals that you just can't say no to.  Like Anthony Davis, for example. 

It would be hard for me to even accept giving him up for Demarcus Cousins, and I LOVE Cousins as a player.  Bradley is just one of those guys who managed to get under every opponents skin and makes game winning plays on both ends of the court, but he does it without ever having to resort to thug tactics (the way guys like Draymond Green and Marcus Smart do).  He just does it with pure effort and hustle and by just outworking everybody else.  He's a class act, and I would be heartbroken to see him go.

I'd move Smart, too, but not for Carmelo Anthony.  Sure doesn't look like any better deals are on the table, either, if you take into consideration our timeline for contention.

You wouldn't trade Smart for Carmelo?

I can understand that as a fan. I really can, but that is insane.

[greece66]

What Barkley et al care most about is watching a fun ECF in 2017. They could care less about banner 18.

Like much of TV journalism and analysis, Inside the NBA is addressed at the lowest common denominator. They rarely if at all make nuanced arguments because if they did, TV ratings would go down.

Is it fun to watch? Sure.

Does it give insights about how NBA FOs think? Little if any at all.

[Androslav]

What Barkley et al care most about is watching a fun ECF in 2017. They could care less about banner 18.

Like much of TV journalism and analysis, Inside the NBA is addressed at the lowest common denominator. They rarely if at all make nuanced arguments because if they did, TV ratings would go down.

Is it fun to watch? Sure.

Does it give insights about how NBA FOs think? Little if any at all.

Agreed, a year ago they were grinning how our picks and trade offers are a joke and how picks don't play.
Now they woke up after we are the 2 seed.
That show is a show, good one at that. But not some analytical heaven with firm arguments. It is more about sentiments.
Kenny makes the most sense out of all the TNT crew.