Report: Melo would waive no-trade for C's; Stevens would like him, Ainge doesn't

[GreenWarrior]

this would be a panic move if we did it. there's no reason to do a move for melo. he doesn't make you good enough to beat Cleveland and I still think Toronto would still take us. ultimately I think nothing good comes out of this move.

[Phantom255x]

I don't want Melo, but part of me wonders...

Say Griffin, Hayward, Millsap, Ibaka, Noel all hint towards staying with their current teams or moving elsewhere (though not Boston).

That means there's practically no one significant for the C's to target, and this is their last summer in a while with a max contract slot (after this summer, rookie deals, extensions, etc. will give BOS cap space, but definitely not enough for a max).

It looks like NYK at this point will accept non-Brooklyn Picks, an expiring and 1-2 young players (not named Brown/Smart).

Idk.. I think this saga will last up until February 23 honestly to see who budges first in desperation.

[Stig]

question: if Melo waived his no trade clause, does that clause just become invalid from that moment?

what I mean is, if we trade for Melo, do we get stuck with him for 2 more years, or can we trade him again next year if he doesn't work out?

Im pretty sure once he waives it, it is gone.

Nope. At least in the old CBA, it transfers.

If a player with a negotiated no-trade clause consents to a trade and is traded, his no-trade clause remains in effect with his new team.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q100

thanks, that makes sense, I'm less keen on him now if he can't be used as a trade asset again.

[LilRip]

I'd welcome this trade. Melo makes us better, IMO, and he comes without giving up much assets. I mean, Rozier, Amir and Zeller for Melo and O'Quinn? Sounds good to me. It kills our FA chances but we can still be active in the trade market.

[Phantom255x]

I'd welcome this trade. Melo makes us better, IMO, and he comes without giving up much assets. I mean, Rozier, Amir and Zeller for Melo and O'Quinn? Sounds good to me. It kills our FA chances but we can still be active in the trade market.

I'm not entirely sure how this summer will unfold though.

Griffin/Hayward likely staying with current teams. Same with Noel.

Ibaka/Millsap as second tier options? Idk... Melo may be aging but Ibaka is also diminishing and I'm just not too sure about Millsap on a 4 year max (plus adding him makes BOS the new "ATL Hawks" lol).

[LilRip]

I'd welcome this trade. Melo makes us better, IMO, and he comes without giving up much assets. I mean, Rozier, Amir and Zeller for Melo and O'Quinn? Sounds good to me. It kills our FA chances but we can still be active in the trade market.

I'm not entirely sure how this summer will unfold though.

Griffin/Hayward likely staying with current teams. Same with Noel.

Ibaka/Millsap as second tier options? Idk... Melo may be aging but Ibaka is also diminishing and I'm just not too sure about Millsap on a 4 year max (plus adding him makes BOS the new "ATL Hawks" lol).

Same here. Blake and Hayward are the only prizes in FA and at this stage, with Utah steadily improving and the Clips still contending, it'll be awfully hard to pry them away. Especially with that "designated player" stuff coming in the new CBA too. 

The other big names thrown around like Boogie, Butler and PG13 are still on the table via trade.

[Cman]

There's no question that Melo would make the Cs better in the short term. The question is all about (a) whether it is worth the short term boost, and (b) how it would affect us long term.

If (a), it gives the Cs a shot at make their current record better and advancing another round in the playoffs, then I'm for it. [Side note: my belief is you take these things and build on them gradually; the Cs going from worst to first the year they got KG and RA is, by far, the exception, not the norm].

If (b), not much harm long term, then why not? The argument against (b), i.e., the argument that bring Melo onboard will "hurt" the Cs long term rests on the assumption that either he will hinder the development of young players or players we draft, or that he will prohibit us from signing a max FA. The latter is true, but maybe there are not many good options anyway (Hayward is likely the best option.... Hayward). The former is up for debate.

In short. I'm less concerned about (b), and so if trading for Melo doesn't involve any of the Brooklyn picks, I'm game.

[2short]

this would be a panic move if we did it. there's no reason to do a move for melo. he doesn't make you good enough to beat Cleveland and I still think Toronto would still take us. ultimately I think nothing good comes out of this move.

Well one "good" thing would be we wouldn't have to worry about future trades or free agent signings.  That albatross of a contract on Carmelo's neck makes it a no brainer to me.

[Monkhouse]

Melo does not make the C a contender able to beat Cavs, Spurs and GS. On the other hand, Melo's salary completely shuts down the possibility of improving dramatically in free agency during next years. Signing him would be a huge mistake. period.

Who's Boston going to sign this summer that's going to make them better than Golden State? The fact of the matter is Boston's going to need to trade into contention - and Carmelo helps this by making Crowder and Avery Bradley easier to part with - or just punt on the next couple years and try to develop young guys drafted through the Brooklyn picks, which Carmelo doesn't affect either way because he wouldn't cost a Nets pick in trade. He's not a cure-all for the C's problems, but if you can get him at a sufficiently inexpensive price there's something to be said for a non-contender just adding more talent.

Precisely. Nailed it.

TP.

[Monkhouse]

I never quite understood the dislike for Carmelo on these boards.

You don't want this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfvWGs_LlE0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqIl6IZBk_U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE2_OKHToMA


Look. He has his flaws. Character and locker room problems, arguments with coach, ball stopper, doesn't play defense, selfish, etc.

Whatever.

I don't care.

Players don't start issues similar to the above if their consistently winning games and going somewhere. Carmelo may not have led any of his teams to the playoffs in the NBA, in the past few years. But I think it only provides evidence there just isn't enough talent on the Knicks, aside KP.

Carmelo reminds me eerily of Paul Pierce. He has a similar game, and Carmelo's beautiful stroke that he developed over time isn't going to go away. Crowder is having an excellent season efficiency wise, but...

Carmelo would be able to put up similar numbers this year, and probably more and a better %.

Crowder is a direct result of our system, and benefiting from being next to great scoring options.

Now maybe I'm just jumping the gun, but if we can get Melo for Crowder, and maybe a few other things, why not? Especially without sacrificing our Brooklyn picks, which Jackson is deluded if he expects any of that in return.

I wanted Melo last year, and I still want this year. Isaiah Thomas and Horford need a 3rd guy. Melo may be selfish, but he's not that SELFISH. He already averages more assists than 3/4 of the team, and provides the deadly spacing we need.

[oldtype]

I am amazed by people who think Carmelo Anthony is a more valuable asset than Jae Crowder.  They're not even close.

[Monkhouse]

I am amazed by people who think Carmelo Anthony is a more valuable asset than Jae Crowder.  They're not even close.

Crowder has far more value than Anthony, but Crowder is not a better player.

I would ideally try to avoid giving up Crowder though. Obviously Amir Johnson and Zeller are up for grabs any time. We have plenty of draft picks that we can use. We can still keep Crowder, and I would like to.

[Rosco917]

Stay the course...don't make a desperate move like this. The Knicks just want to unload that contract, and I can't blame them. The C's are more than this version of Carmelo Anthony away from the finals.   

Giving up Crowder, any of our top 7 players, or any important draft picks for this, used up, aging NBA has been, is short sighted.

Let's not be Phil Jackson's bxxch.

[KG Living Legend]

 Will he pinkie swear that he will play defense, if he agrees to a pinkie swear than I'm in.

[cousytoheinsohn]

Melo does not make the C a contender able to beat Cavs, Spurs and GS. On the other hand, Melo's salary completely shuts down the possibility of improving dramatically in free agency during next years. Signing him would be a huge mistake. period.

Who's Boston going to sign this summer that's going to make them better than Golden State? The fact of the matter is Boston's going to need to trade into contention - and Carmelo helps this by making Crowder and Avery Bradley easier to part with - or just punt on the next couple years and try to develop young guys drafted through the Brooklyn picks, which Carmelo doesn't affect either way because he wouldn't cost a Nets pick in trade. He's not a cure-all for the C's problems, but if you can get him at a sufficiently inexpensive price there's something to be said for a non-contender just adding more talent.

Trading for Melo isn't a no brainer because he's aging, had injury issues, will eat up all out cap space and has a deserved reputation of a ball stopper who expects the entire offense to be him shooting jumpers.  If we were talking about giving up serious assets for him, that's an easy "no."

But he's still good enough to make this team a lot better and if the price is...

1.  A bunch of guys who are on the roster specifically as trade bait for someone like Melo.
2.  A 2018 first in the mid 20s and a future first that could become a couple of seconds.
3.  Filler that depends on what else the trade involves.

...it might be time to remember a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Mike

Who are you willing to part with to get him? Just asking. What you suggest is certainly reasonable from the Celtics' end but it's hard to believe the Knicks won't want more.

When I see the word Melo my first thought is Fab, another Syracuse guy whose fate was not nearly so sanguine as Carmelo's, as we all know only too well. This, in turn, is followed by a monstrous headache.