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Taking off the green glasses
« on: January 25, 2017, 02:19:28 PM »

Offline bcgenuis

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Taking off my green glasses this is what I see:

A team with 3 starters, 3 role/bench players, 2 developmental player and the rest are easily replaced.

Starters:
Thomas- 2nd tier all-star  (trade while stock is high?)
Horford - solid starter (not a good as I thought, weak rebounder and does not take over games, a #3, sometimes a #2, hardly ever a #1)
Bradley - undersized, but became a quality shooter and defender (injured too often - would trade considering guard heavy draft)

This unfortunately gives us an undersized back-court.

Bench/role players:
Crowder - 3&D forward, belongs on the bench.  The new Posey. (lost his mojo this year)
Smart - defensive combo guard, yes once every 20 or 25 games he'll have an offensive breakout. (no consistent offense to speak of, maybe a Tony Allen-like ceiling, definitely not a starter)
Olynyk - decent big man off the bench. Don't believe he will amount to more than that but willing to give him a longer look as a starter in place of Amir Johnson. (also gets injured too often. Wouldn't over-pay to keep him.  Lots of long distance bigs out there these days.)

Developmental:
Jaylen Brown - would like to see him start to promote his growth.
Rozier - not sure what we have here yet.

The rest:
A Johnson - trade fodder
Zeller - just another big man, time has run out - Zizic takes his spot next year.
Mickey - end of bench, time has run out - Yabu takes his spot next year
Jerebko - probably the best of the bunch. decent end of rotation player, but replaceable.
Jackson - scrub
Young  - scrub - Nader has this spot next year.
Green - extra wing man as the 12-15 roster filler.

What I would do:
Start Olynyk and JBrown.  Horford, Olynyk, and Brown with Thomas and Bradley. for a solid 20 game stretch.  Gives the C's one more look at Olynyk to see if he can become anything more than a bench player. Also speeds up Jaylen's growth.

The bench is now,  (G)Smart, Rozier,  Green, Crowder, Jerebko,  Johnson, Zeller.

The needs are:
1. another serviceable big man, right now we only have 2.
2. unless Brown steps up quickly a scoring wing with size. (Melo?)



« Last Edit: January 25, 2017, 02:29:20 PM by bcgenuis »
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Re: Taking off the green glasses
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2017, 02:55:36 PM »

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Quote from: bcgenuis on January 25, 2017, 02:19:28 PM
Taking off my green glasses this is what I see:

A team with 3 starters, 3 role/bench players, 2 developmental player and the rest are easily replaced.

Starters:
Thomas- 2nd tier all-star  (trade while stock is high?)
Horford - solid starter (not a good as I thought, weak rebounder and does not take over games, a #3, sometimes a #2, hardly ever a #1)
Bradley - undersized, but became a quality shooter and defender (injured too often - would trade considering guard heavy draft)

This unfortunately gives us an undersized back-court.

Bench/role players:
Crowder - 3&D forward, belongs on the bench.  The new Posey. (lost his mojo this year)
Smart - defensive combo guard, yes once every 20 or 25 games he'll have an offensive breakout. (no consistent offense to speak of, maybe a Tony Allen-like ceiling, definitely not a starter)
Olynyk - decent big man off the bench. Don't believe he will amount to more than that but willing to give him a longer look as a starter in place of Amir Johnson. (also gets injured too often. Wouldn't over-pay to keep him.  Lots of long distance bigs out there these days.)

Developmental:
Jaylen Brown - would like to see him start to promote his growth.
Rozier - not sure what we have here yet.

The rest:
A Johnson - trade fodder
Zeller - just another big man, time has run out - Zizic takes his spot next year.
Mickey - end of bench, time has run out - Yabu takes his spot next year
Jerebko - probably the best of the bunch. decent end of rotation player, but replaceable.
Jackson - scrub
Young  - scrub - Nader has this spot next year.
Green - extra wing man as the 12-15 roster filler.

What I would do:
Start Olynyk and JBrown.  Horford, Olynyk, and Brown with Thomas and Bradley. for a solid 20 game stretch.  Gives the C's one more look at Olynyk to see if he can become anything more than a bench player. Also speeds up Jaylen's growth.

The bench is now,  (G)Smart, Rozier,  Green, Crowder, Jerebko,  Johnson, Zeller.

The needs are:
1. another serviceable big man, right now we only have 2.
2. unless Brown steps up quickly a scoring wing with size. (Melo?)

What does this mean exactly? Both the players and media voted him in as an allstar game starter. Many have him anywhere from 5th-8th in the MVP race. Second in league in scoring. Best 4th quarter scorer in the last 20 years as of last time I checked (a week ago)
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2017, 06:39:35 PM »

Offline bcgenuis

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It means he is not a 1st Tier All Star - top 10 Player.

First Tier All Stars:
Curry
Durant
Lebron
Westbrook
CP3
Harden

Second Tier - top 25 player
Millsap
Lowry
I Thomas
Butler
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2017, 06:53:10 PM »

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Actually think starting Brown would hurt his development. First, he hasn't earned a starting spot and this might cause locker room problems. He would have to start playing against starting quality players rather than bench quality competition meaning his performance may actually get worse. Next, starters usually play more minutes and he isn't producing very good at the minutes he already has. Again, earn the time and position. Lastly, this is a win now team and he is learning in that environment which most highdraft picks don't get to do. Accountability for poor play is important and forcing him minutes would make the Celtics worse, possibly hurting their winning ways.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2017, 06:56:59 PM »

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Quote from: bcgenuis on January 25, 2017, 06:39:35 PM
It means he is not a 1st Tier All Star - top 10 Player.

First Tier All Stars:
Curry
Durant
Lebron
Westbrook
CP3
Harden

Second Tier - top 25 player
Millsap
Lowry
I Thomas
Butler
Everybody on this blog got their on tiers...
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2017, 07:06:40 PM »

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Tp for a nice break down. Jerebko is definitely a rotation player though. Would like to see Olynyk start and Jerebko mop up some minutes if Crowder doesn't get PF minutes.

We just have some aggressive physical players in Crowder and Smart that make them seem better than they are due to their intensity finding them involved in the play often.

Gosh would it be nice to have a legit rebounding big on the roster?  At least some 6'8 guy that
Can box out.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2017, 07:11:13 PM »

Offline clevelandceltic

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I really would not like to see KO in the starting line up. He has shown that he is a rotation player that can have an occasional impact on the game. If he is a starter I think you are in trouble.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2017, 07:16:43 PM »

Offline Eddie20

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Quote from: bcgenuis on January 25, 2017, 02:19:28 PM
Crowder - 3&D forward, belongs on the bench.  The new Posey. (lost his mojo this year)

This really stood out. Crowder is having career highs in FG% (49), 3PT% (43), FT% (89), REB, and AST. His PPG is down just 0.8 points, but as you can see he's shooting the ball incredibly well with a true shooing percentage of 64.5. For comparison, Steph Curry is shooting 46% FG, 40% 3's, 91% FT, and has a true shooting percentage of 62.4.
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