DA not trading the pick

[bopna]

I wish we could have picked up Korver for the chump change that Cleveland paid for him which is essentially a 2nd round pick. Also, since LeBron is demanding a backup point guard to Kyrie I can envision them getting Rondo from the Bulls for a rack of balls.

Yea felt the same 

If you traded for Korver whose minutes do you take to play him.  Not Crowder, smart, bradley for me.  Probably not even Brown or Green.
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I think the point is perhaps to keep him away from GM lebron..the lesser the Cavs option the better for us..besides you never know what happens in the futurw...have a look at AB and his achilles issue, if this becomes a lingering item that will sideline him for a fair amount of time, wouldnt it be great if we have Korver in those dribble handoffs who is still a lights out shooter at his age.

[PaulAllen]

I think he lands Hayward at the deadline.  Utah will fear losing him for nothing, and take pennies on the dollar just to get something in return.  I'm also not giving up hope on one of the Philly bigs.  I like Okafor and obviously he is not in the plans for Philly.  I'm beginning to think he can be had for a song and a dance soon as well.

Hayward is a UFA next season so no way DA gives the pick up for someone he probably has the best chance to sign..

he won't give up the pick, but he might give up a pick.  heck, i wouldn't give up the pick for hayward either.

First The Jazz arent giving him away for just a pick ..
Second the Jazz play .600 ball they are contenders albeit not great ones .. not going to give up their star unless they are getting a huge return

[hpantazo]

How about Anthony Bennett, as he was just waived by the mighty Nets!!!  I would cut Young IF we cannot trade him for something to make room for our NEW AB:-))

If we cannot trade for Bass, Bennett COULD play such a role, granted not offensively and not as the vet presence that Bass would bring!!

Thoughts??

Smitty77

If he can't even make the Nets roster, then Bennett is a lost cause.

[GreenShooter]

I think he lands Hayward at the deadline.  Utah will fear losing him for nothing, and take pennies on the dollar just to get something in return.  I'm also not giving up hope on one of the Philly bigs.  I like Okafor and obviously he is not in the plans for Philly.  I'm beginning to think he can be had for a song and a dance soon as well.

Hayward is a UFA next season so no way DA gives the pick up for someone he probably has the best chance to sign..

Why do you think that? Utah can offer a much better contract and they're not a bad team when fully healthy. I would love to get him and trade some pieces for a BIG big and put up banner 18 but I just don't think he's coming here, Brad Stevens or not.

[PaulAllen]

I wish we could have picked up Korver for the chump change that Cleveland paid for him which is essentially a 2nd round pick. Also, since LeBron is demanding a backup point guard to Kyrie I can envision them getting Rondo from the Bulls for a rack of balls.

Yea felt the same 

If you traded for Korver whose minutes do you take to play him.  Not Crowder, smart, bradley for me.  Probably not even Brown or Green.

I think the point is perhaps to keep him away from GM lebron..the lesser the Cavs option the better for us..besides you never know what happens in the futurw...have a look at AB and his achilles issue, if this becomes a lingering item that will sideline him for a fair amount of time, wouldnt it be great if we have Korver in those dribble handoffs who is still a lights out shooter at his age.
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The Celtics bench is its biggest flaw (outside total rebounding) plenty of minutes to give away..  You are telling me JJ is an upgrade over Korber??? You can remove JJ , Rozier, and Green easily..

[footey]

I think he lands Hayward at the deadline.  Utah will fear losing him for nothing, and take pennies on the dollar just to get something in return.  I'm also not giving up hope on one of the Philly bigs.  I like Okafor and obviously he is not in the plans for Philly.  I'm beginning to think he can be had for a song and a dance soon as well.

How much of an upgrade is Hayward over Crowder, really?  When you take into account both sides of the ball, not sure there is much of an improvement.  I can be persuaded otherwise, though.

[PaulAllen]

I think he lands Hayward at the deadline.  Utah will fear losing him for nothing, and take pennies on the dollar just to get something in return.  I'm also not giving up hope on one of the Philly bigs.  I like Okafor and obviously he is not in the plans for Philly.  I'm beginning to think he can be had for a song and a dance soon as well.

Hayward is a UFA next season so no way DA gives the pick up for someone he probably has the best chance to sign..

Why do you think that? Utah can offer a much better contract and they're not a bad team when fully healthy. I would love to get him and trade some pieces for a BIG big and put up banner 18 but I just don't think he's coming here, Brad Stevens or not.

Well outside of Utah... but I have seen no definite indication that they are resigning him ..
But yea Celtics can offer a nice contract and Stevens of course

[PaulAllen]

I think he lands Hayward at the deadline.  Utah will fear losing him for nothing, and take pennies on the dollar just to get something in return.  I'm also not giving up hope on one of the Philly bigs.  I like Okafor and obviously he is not in the plans for Philly.  I'm beginning to think he can be had for a song and a dance soon as well.

How much of an upgrade is Hayward over Crowder, really?  When you take into account both sides of the ball, not sure there is much of an improvement.  I can be persuaded otherwise, though.

Hayward is a deadly shooter ... but its not about upgrading and more about adding a top talent ... Imagine Crowder with the second unit ...now thats an upgrade!!!

[clevelandceltic]

Just remember, all those people who are planning to compete for the title in a few years and are already salivating over the 2018 draft class, the annual price tag for both Bradley and Thomas will likely move from $15 million in 2017-2018 to between $50-60 million in future years. IMO this team is one star (George? Butler?) and one solid interior defender and rebounder (Noel?) away from being a final four team. No more teenagers please.

So how do you propose we get both types of players and who are you trading to get them?

[CelticGuardian]

I am convinced that there are no immediate moves that will put us in contention.

We need to look at what's beyond the horizon, like so many have said here, you see Philly ands LA are amassing impressive young talent, Bucks are being lead by a 22 year old that's [dang] near close to being a superstar, Anthony Davis has a window, T'Wolves might figure their PG and C situation out. We either stay in NBA purgatory with this group of we draft a star, basically how I see it.

[A Future of Stevens]

What kills me is that the people who argue for trading the pick generally go along the lines of "well I want a sure thing." Well, okay, lets say Ainge gave in and gave up the 2 nets picks for Butler. Does adding Butler make this team a title contender? Probably not. We won't be better than the Cavs or the Warriors, and probably not the spurs. Well how about George? Maybe.

The only one who makes any kind of sense is Cousins (because AD is untouchable) because he represents a weakness against the two aforementioned teams.

Lets not pretend that trading the pick isn't a maybe also. Trading the pick just makes the window to compete much smaller while making us go all in right now.

I personally don't think that a core of IT/Bradley/Butler/Amir (or Noel)/Horford gets us 18. I am really starting to come around to drafting a young superstar. Every team in the NBA is drafting a superstar, why can't we be one? Can't we just enjoy high level basketball while we groom our next Dynasty?

I digress, go Celtics.

[moiso]

Agree.  Of course you always want to win a championship but we have a fun team so I don't see the rush.
I can think of some intances where I'd prefer to have a non champion.  I would much rather have been in Sacramento watching their Webber team that never won it than in Detroit watching their Billups team that did.

[Geo123]

I think he lands Hayward at the deadline.  Utah will fear losing him for nothing, and take pennies on the dollar just to get something in return.  I'm also not giving up hope on one of the Philly bigs.  I like Okafor and obviously he is not in the plans for Philly.  I'm beginning to think he can be had for a song and a dance soon as well.

Hayward is a UFA next season so no way DA gives the pick up for someone he probably has the best chance to sign..

Why do you think that? Utah can offer a much better contract and they're not a bad team when fully healthy. I would love to get him and trade some pieces for a BIG big and put up banner 18 but I just don't think he's coming here, Brad Stevens or not.

Well outside of Utah... but I have seen no definite indication that they are resigning him ..
But yea Celtics can offer a nice contract and Stevens of course

Of course there's no definite indication of him resigning.  However, both sides have spoken about wanting him back there and they can offer the most money.  If I were Hayward I would weigh my options when the time comes and that's what he's going to do.   

[Geo123]

DA is only going to trade the pick for a Star which is what he should be doing.  Stars rarely get traded especially during the season anymore.  People are crazy if they don't think that Butler is worth the pick and then some.  He's  a 2 time All Star, a 2 way player on a great contract and is young.  That's the EXACT type of player you trade the pick for (although I don't think he's available really).     

[CelticGuardian]

What kills me is that the people who argue for trading the pick generally go along the lines of "well I want a sure thing." Well, okay, lets say Ainge gave in and gave up the 2 nets picks for Butler. Does adding Butler make this team a title contender? Probably not. We won't be better than the Cavs or the Warriors, and probably not the spurs. Well how about George? Maybe.

The only one who makes any kind of sense is Cousins (because AD is untouchable) because he represents a weakness against the two aforementioned teams.

Lets not pretend that trading the pick isn't a maybe also. Trading the pick just makes the window to compete much smaller while making us go all in right now.

I personally don't think that a core of IT/Bradley/Butler/Amir (or Noel)/Horford gets us 18. I am really starting to come around to drafting a young superstar. Every team in the NBA is drafting a superstar, why can't we be one? Can't we just enjoy high level basketball while we groom our next Dynasty?

I digress, go Celtics.

TP, this is my line of thinking exactly. There's only so far we'll be able to go with two years of DMC, or even 5 years of Butler and that's not a trade that's going down without C's giving up a good starter or two.