Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)

[BitterJim]

I'd do it as fast as possible so Atlanta doesn't have time to reconsider... Defensive guards with no offense are the least valuable commodity in the current NBA and can be drafted every single year.

Name 5 better defensive guards than Smart in the past 5 years.

I'll wait.

Show me proof their better, and I'll give you 5 TP's.

I mean he hasn't even made an All NBA Defense team yet. Eye test he does look great though. His peers don't seem to think so thus far.

Saying that after only 2 seasons is meaningless. When was the last time someone made an all-defensive team in their rookie or sophomore seasons?

[IDreamCeltics]

I'd do it as fast as possible so Atlanta doesn't have time to reconsider... Defensive guards with no offense are the least valuable commodity in the current NBA and can be drafted every single year.

Name 5 better defensive guards than Smart in the past 5 years.

I'll wait.

Show me proof their better, and I'll give you 5 TP's.

Chris Paul
Patrick Beverly
Andrew Harrison
Kyle Anderson
Jonathon Simmons
Tony Allen
DeAndre Liggins
Rodney Hood

All guards with higher Defensive Real Plus minus than Marcus Smart. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/2

Smart is considered a point guard by espn so if you click on the link just click the hyperlink to pointguards and you'll see his DRPM is 0.76 (which is very good for a pointguard)

Here's how ESPN explains Real Plus Minus, Offensive Real Plus Minus, and Defensive Real Plus Minus

"Where does real plus-minus come from?

Drawing on advanced statistical modeling techniques (and the analytical wizardry of RPM developer Jeremias Engelmann, formerly of the Phoenix Suns), the metric isolates the unique plus-minus impact of each NBA player by adjusting for the effects of each teammate and opposing player.

The RPM model sifts through more than 230,000 possessions each NBA season to tease apart the "real" plus-minus effects attributable to each player, employing techniques similar to those used by scientific researchers when they need to model the effects of numerous variables at the same time.

RPM estimates how many points each player adds or subtracts, on average, to his team's net scoring margin for each 100 possessions played. The RPM model also yields separate ratings for the player's impact on both ends of the court: offensive RPM (ORPM) and defensive RPM (DRPM)."

By the way I think Marcus Smart is a very good defensive guard, he's just not a great overall guard.  He's ranked 156 currently out of active players in real plus minus.

[MJohnnyboy]

I'd do it as fast as possible so Atlanta doesn't have time to reconsider... Defensive guards with no offense are the least valuable commodity in the current NBA and can be drafted every single year.

Name 5 better defensive guards than Smart in the past 5 years.

I'll wait.

Show me proof their better, and I'll give you 5 TP's.

I mean he hasn't even made an All NBA Defense team yet. Eye test he does look great though. His peers don't seem to think so thus far.

Saying that after only 2 seasons is meaningless. When was the last time someone made an all-defensive team in their rookie or sophomore seasons?

Hakeem Olajuwon made the 2nd team his rookie year, but its not like that guy was a once in a generation type player...

[tankcity!]

Well yes Smart is still young, but we should see where he lands on the all defensive teams before making any judgments. I mean Avery Bradley looked like he was the best guard defender, but as he got older, he put less energy on defense and now we crush him for it. We really don't know where Smart will be in defensive rankings, still need to wait a couple years before claiming he is the best defensive guards in 5 years.

[Ilikesports17]

I'd do it as fast as possible so Atlanta doesn't have time to reconsider... Defensive guards with no offense are the least valuable commodity in the current NBA and can be drafted every single year.

Name 5 better defensive guards than Smart in the past 5 years.

I'll wait.

Show me proof their better, and I'll give you 5 TP's.

Chris Paul
Patrick Beverly
Andrew Harrison
Kyle Anderson
Jonathon Simmons
Tony Allen
DeAndre Liggins
Rodney Hood

All guards with higher Defensive Real Plus minus than Marcus Smart. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/2

Smart is considered a point guard by espn so if you click on the link just click the hyperlink to pointguards and you'll see his DRPM is 0.76 (which is very good for a pointguard)

Here's how ESPN explains Real Plus Minus, Offensive Real Plus Minus, and Defensive Real Plus Minus

"Where does real plus-minus come from?

Drawing on advanced statistical modeling techniques (and the analytical wizardry of RPM developer Jeremias Engelmann, formerly of the Phoenix Suns), the metric isolates the unique plus-minus impact of each NBA player by adjusting for the effects of each teammate and opposing player.

The RPM model sifts through more than 230,000 possessions each NBA season to tease apart the "real" plus-minus effects attributable to each player, employing techniques similar to those used by scientific researchers when they need to model the effects of numerous variables at the same time.

RPM estimates how many points each player adds or subtracts, on average, to his team's net scoring margin for each 100 possessions played. The RPM model also yields separate ratings for the player's impact on both ends of the court: offensive RPM (ORPM) and defensive RPM (DRPM)."

By the way I think Marcus Smart is a very good defensive guard, he's just not a great overall guard.  He's ranked 156 currently out of active players in real plus minus.

That stat is flawed in a number of ways. For this context it's important to note that flaws aside RPM only claims to measure impact and has no way to measure what a player is asked to do. Marcus Smart was asked to play SF for stretches with crowder out and whenever we go small. Smart is just solid as a small forward defender instead of elite against 2 guards. Instead of helping his defensive ranking because of his defensive versatility it drives his rating down because he isn't a top 5 SF defender.

[walker834]

A lot of players from that draft class are slow breaking in statistically anyways.  The talent is there.  Parker is really the only one breaking through on any statistical level and Embiid.  The stat says marcus plays good defense.    He' s been inefficient on offense.  It doesn't take into account everything he does on the floor.

This is stuff we already know anyways.  He's a 3rd year player.  He's started to have his moments more this season especially when he plays the point.  Hes looked indispensible on this team at times and plays really well behind IT.

What I don't understand with these deals is why are we giving up quality assets when we don't even know what is out there. Players can be had for less.  Millsap is a good rebounder and scorer but isn't the end all be all.

Amir is going to need to be replaced but there no reason to be trading valuable players like Smart this early.

[celtics2030]

Don't trade Smart. No point, he is fine for this team right now. He helps, and he makes plays. They need Smart.

[walker834]

Smart is a rising star in that draft anyways which was a talented draft.  He's a stud defensively and probably the best defender in that class not named Embiid. 

The league is dominated with 3 pt shooters right now and Smart struggles in that area.  Post him up and he does fine.

Rozier is a good prospect too. So is Brown.  I don't see why we are moving any of those guys. Or IT or Horford for that matter. 

Trading Smart is an option because he is valuable and we have all these picks coming but I wouldn't sell this team short.

[jpotter33]

Don't trade Smart. No point, he is fine for this team right now. He helps, and he makes plays. They need Smart.

Holy hell he's been converted!  TP.

[BitterJim]

I'd do it as fast as possible so Atlanta doesn't have time to reconsider... Defensive guards with no offense are the least valuable commodity in the current NBA and can be drafted every single year.

Name 5 better defensive guards than Smart in the past 5 years.

I'll wait.

Show me proof their better, and I'll give you 5 TP's.

I mean he hasn't even made an All NBA Defense team yet. Eye test he does look great though. His peers don't seem to think so thus far.

Saying that after only 2 seasons is meaningless. When was the last time someone made an all-defensive team in their rookie or sophomore seasons?

Hakeem Olajuwon made the 2nd team his rookie year, but its not like that guy was a once in a generation type player...

I think "Not as good as Hakeem Olajuwon" is pretty far from "There are players like Smart in every draft", though

The most recent one I can see was Dwyane Wade tying for the last 2nd team spot his sophomore year, but that was 12 years ago

[CroCorvus]

Why give up one of your best players for a player who can be signed in the offseason?

[Moranis]

Boston had a glaring hole down low of which Millsap would full. He would also be Boston's best player and most of the people voting wouldn't trade a bench guard who is one of the worst shooters in NBA history for him.  This is absolutely crazy.

[TA9]

It wouldn't be that Smart (see what I did there) to trade Marcus for a 6 month rental. I'd rather wait until free agency.

[trickybilly]

Man, poor Atlanta, horford, now this??

At least they'll be able to get good value for Dwight (and Schroeder) for their rebuild.

[Moranis]

It wouldn't be that Smart (see what I did there) to trade Marcus for a 6 month rental. I'd rather wait until free agency.

and then you don't land Millsap because you wouldn't trade a bench player.  This thread is truly astonishing