Guys, At This Point I think Cousins Is 100% Untouchable To The Kings...

[coco]

  what is this? year 4 on the "Cousins" watch? 

keep dreaming  -- or maybe we are lucky for dodging that bullet 

[KGs Knee]

But I do think Sacramento is wise to keep Cousins for now.  Is he really going to pass up a super max extension?  Is he eligible?

The Kings would be best off inking him to a deal as soon as rules allow.  What does Cousins want?  To be able to choose where he wants to go via FA, or does he want the most money?

[rondohondo]

But I do think Sacramento is wise to keep Cousins for now.  Is he really going to pass up a super max extension?  Is he eligible?

The Kings would be best off inking him to a deal as soon as rules allow.  What does Cousins want?  To be able to choose where he wants to go via FA, or does he want the most money?

If he forces a trade, he could possibly get both

[oldtype]

Everyone is untouchable to everybody.  The last time a bona-fide star moved via trade was Love to the Cavs, and before that you probably have to go as far back as Chris Paul to the Clippers.  Stars do not get traded more often than maybe once or twice every 5 years in the modern NBA, and that's only going to get worse when the new CBA comes in. 

[knuckleballer]

The Kings are currently tied for the 10th worst record in the league and are tied for the 8th seed in the West.  If they keep Cousins in hopes of achieving their dream of getting swept by the Warriors in the first round of the playoffs, they are just fools.  They owe their first round pick to the Bulls if it falls outside the top ten which is very likely.  If their pick is in the top ten, they keep that pick and give up a second rounder.  So it's not as if their picks falls a few spots, it falls from a top ten pick to a second rounder if they finish with the 11th worst record instead of the tenth or earn the honor of getting blown out by the Warriors in two home playoff games.  A lot of people here were frustrated the Celtics made the playoffs a few years ago causing our pick to drop several spots.  In this case it will drop thirty spots on a team that lacks young talent and should be rebuilding.  By nearly all accounts, this is an excellent draft coming up and they're likely going to cost themselves a good young player. 

The Kings roster is old.  All their contributors other than Cousins are getting old and are mediocre players.  The few guys they have under 25 have not shown any promise and aren't even earning playing time.  If they trade Cousins, they will likely end up with a top 5 or 6 pick.  Many people are suggesting the Celtics trade Rozier, Brown,  the Brooklyn first, and another first.  If the Kings take that deal, they will most likely end up with one of the prized point guards in Fultz, Ball, or Dennis Smith and one of the top wings in Tatum, Jackson, or Isaac.  That's a darn strong start to a rebuild.

Fultz/Ball/Smith
Tatum/Jackson/Isaac
Jaylen Brown
Rozier
A future first or maybe Yabusele

All that for Cousins who they aren't winning with and they may lose for nothing in a year and a half.  The Kings would be absolutely moronic to pass this up, but of course that is their M.O.

[jpotter33]

I somewhat agree, but it's still way too premature to cut off the chase. I mean, this is the Kings we're talking about. They were in the EXACT same situation last year being in the playoffs around this time in December, yet they were already clearly out of the race by the deadline. They also have a brutal stretch coming up in January, and with Denver, Portland, and New Orleans all starting to play better now and/or getting healthy, they'll be several games out by the end of January.

EDIT: That being said, I still think someone like Butler or George will be much more available than Boogie either at the deadline or draft, so I'd still rather try to get a Noel right now and have that trade package ready at the deadline or draft for either Butler or George.

[Ilikesports17]

Everyone is untouchable to everybody.  The last time a bona-fide star moved via trade was Love to the Cavs, and before that you probably have to go as far back as Chris Paul to the Clippers.  Stars do not get traded more often than maybe once or twice every 5 years in the modern NBA, and that's only going to get worse when the new CBA comes in.

yeah top 10 guys dont often get traded because they are usually on winning teams and there are only ten of them to begin with.

Cousins is fairly unique in that he has not won(or even made the playoffs) despite being in the league for a long time and he is a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing crazy person in a crazy organization.

Melo, Paul, Love, Dwight and Garnett have all been traded in the past decade.

thats one every other year.

[oldtype]

Everyone is untouchable to everybody.  The last time a bona-fide star moved via trade was Love to the Cavs, and before that you probably have to go as far back as Chris Paul to the Clippers.  Stars do not get traded more often than maybe once or twice every 5 years in the modern NBA, and that's only going to get worse when the new CBA comes in.

yeah top 10 guys dont often get traded because they are usually on winning teams and there are only ten of them to begin with.

Cousins is fairly unique in that he has not won(or even made the playoffs) despite being in the league for a long time and he is a ****ing crazy person in a crazy organization.

Melo, Paul, Love, Dwight and Garnett have all been traded in the past decade.

thats one every other year.

Most of those were pre-2011 though.  In the last five years it's really only been Love.

I don't want to say "never again", but I think the vast majority of teams now would even prefer to risk losing their stars in free agency for nothing than to trade them.

[Ilikesports17]

Everyone is untouchable to everybody.  The last time a bona-fide star moved via trade was Love to the Cavs, and before that you probably have to go as far back as Chris Paul to the Clippers.  Stars do not get traded more often than maybe once or twice every 5 years in the modern NBA, and that's only going to get worse when the new CBA comes in.

yeah top 10 guys dont often get traded because they are usually on winning teams and there are only ten of them to begin with.

Cousins is fairly unique in that he has not won(or even made the playoffs) despite being in the league for a long time and he is a ****ing crazy person in a crazy organization.

Melo, Paul, Love, Dwight and Garnett have all been traded in the past decade.

thats one every other year.

Most of those were pre-2011 though.  In the last five years it's really only been Love.

I don't want to say "never again", but I think the vast majority of teams now would even prefer to risk losing their stars in free agency for nothing than to trade them.

Since 2011 we have had 4 seasons and two stars traded. One in the summer of 12 the other the summer of 14.  It still lines up.

[SHAQATTACK]

Disagree

At some point if he is competitive as he says he is .....the he has to leave to win a ring .....it's the same thing LeBron faced in Cleveland and KG ....but worse in my opinion.

I doubt they will volunteer to trade .....but I thing there is a decent chance he does the Howard and Shaq deal did at Orlando ......

Just walk away.

[Phantom255x]

I somewhat agree, but it's still way too premature to cut off the chase. I mean, this is the Kings we're talking about. They were in the EXACT same situation last year being in the playoffs around this time in December, yet they were already clearly out of the race by the deadline. They also have a brutal stretch coming up in January, and with Denver, Portland, and New Orleans all starting to play better now and/or getting healthy, they'll be several games out by the end of January.

EDIT: That being said, I still think someone like Butler or George will be much more available than Boogie either at the deadline or draft, so I'd still rather try to get a Noel right now and have that trade package ready at the deadline or draft for either Butler or George.

Yeah I even posted about it here:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=88303.0

In the post though, I acknowledged that Mannix acknowledged that they may be huge pipe dreams. Bulls and Pacers still well within the hunt for a playoff spot as well.

[oldtype]

Everyone is untouchable to everybody.  The last time a bona-fide star moved via trade was Love to the Cavs, and before that you probably have to go as far back as Chris Paul to the Clippers.  Stars do not get traded more often than maybe once or twice every 5 years in the modern NBA, and that's only going to get worse when the new CBA comes in.

yeah top 10 guys dont often get traded because they are usually on winning teams and there are only ten of them to begin with.

Cousins is fairly unique in that he has not won(or even made the playoffs) despite being in the league for a long time and he is a ****ing crazy person in a crazy organization.

Melo, Paul, Love, Dwight and Garnett have all been traded in the past decade.

thats one every other year.

Most of those were pre-2011 though.  In the last five years it's really only been Love.

I don't want to say "never again", but I think the vast majority of teams now would even prefer to risk losing their stars in free agency for nothing than to trade them.

Since 2011 we have had 4 seasons and two stars traded. One in the summer of 12 the other the summer of 14.  It still lines up.

Chris Paul was traded in the summer of 2011 right?

In all of 11/12, 12/13, 13/14, 14/15 and 15/16 (five seasons), the only truly established star to be traded was Kevin Love.  And it's questionable whether he was even a top-ten player when his trade happened.

EDIT: forgot Dwight in the summer of 2012, so just four seasons.

[Ilikesports17]

Everyone is untouchable to everybody.  The last time a bona-fide star moved via trade was Love to the Cavs, and before that you probably have to go as far back as Chris Paul to the Clippers.  Stars do not get traded more often than maybe once or twice every 5 years in the modern NBA, and that's only going to get worse when the new CBA comes in.

yeah top 10 guys dont often get traded because they are usually on winning teams and there are only ten of them to begin with.

Cousins is fairly unique in that he has not won(or even made the playoffs) despite being in the league for a long time and he is a ****ing crazy person in a crazy organization.

Melo, Paul, Love, Dwight and Garnett have all been traded in the past decade.

thats one every other year.

Most of those were pre-2011 though.  In the last five years it's really only been Love.

I don't want to say "never again", but I think the vast majority of teams now would even prefer to risk losing their stars in free agency for nothing than to trade them.

Since 2011 we have had 4 seasons and two stars traded. One in the summer of 12 the other the summer of 14.  It still lines up.

Chris Paul was traded in the summer of 2011 right?

In all of 11/12, 12/13, 13/14, 14/15 and 15/16 (five seasons), the only truly established star to be traded was Kevin Love.  And it's questionable whether he was even a top-ten player when his trade happened.

Dwight was traded to LA during the summer of 2012

[JBcat]

I'm becoming more content giving up minimal assets for someone like Andrew Bogut, then if we strike out in FA with the big names sign him to an Amir Johnson type deal.  It's not optimal but at least we would hold onto our Nets picks.

[Phantom255x]

I'm becoming more content giving up minimal assets for someone like Andrew Bogut, then if we strike out in FA with the big names sign him to an Amir Johnson type deal.  It's not optimal but at least we would hold onto our Nets picks.

Yep, I would do:

Amir Johnson, Demetrius Jackson, and two 2017 Second Rounders FOR Andrew Bogut.

OR instead of two 2017 2nds, just give them the 2018 Boston First (not the Nets Pick, and likely in the mid-20s).

People forget that if Bogut were made available, other teams would bid for him too, so he won't be super cheap (like it won't simply be, give us a 2nd rounder for Bogut).

It would still a really cheap and a solid Plan B or Plan C option come FA. Lot cheaper than the likes of Cousins.