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The surprise early onset rebuild - pros and cons
« on: December 19, 2016, 10:10:42 AM »

Offline trickybilly

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So I was thinking about this today: is it a problem for the team that we are so relevant again so soon after the teardown. So I decided to do a matrix.

Pros:
1. Grouchy Boston diehards have less to complain about
2. FA lure
3. Develop winning environment/team culture
4. Ticket sales remain high(ish)
5. High usage guys in the East have value overstated (maybe)
6. Risk middling status (OKC phenomenom)
7. Brad feels like he is working towards something, employment incentive

Cons:
1 Grouchy Boston diehards have less to complain about
2. Less time for Jaylen, James Young
3. Fan expectations
4. Brad gets flack for underperforming
5. Guys get "untradable" status (Jae, IT, Horford)
5. Danny gets exaggerated grace period for the "genius" of trading away PP, Ray, and KG, making him untouchable.

What am I missing? And which is more persuasive?
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Re: The surprise early onset rebuild - pros and cons
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2016, 11:04:43 AM »

Offline wdleehi

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Draft picks.

Boston doesn't have to be bad to get good ones the next two years.  Which also means young rookies get to learn the NBA game in a winning culture.   How many possible great talents have been wasted learning to lose in the NBA early in their careers?   


Vs.  guys that learned to play in the NBA early before they got their minutes and  exploded?

Re: The surprise early onset rebuild - pros and cons
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2016, 11:17:15 AM »

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Wow, that's the first time I've ever seen James Young getting less playing time listed as a "Con"
I'm bitter.

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Re: The surprise early onset rebuild - pros and cons
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2016, 02:29:46 PM »

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"2. Less time for Jaylen, James Young"

These are two completely different players. The only similarity is age. Young is still on the team due to seniority. Danny and Brad probably felt bad for him or flipped a coin over who to cut between him and RJ.

I think Jaylen Brown will get steadier minutes as the year continues.

If we need another sg/sf, it's going to be Gerald Green not Young seeing playing time. It's not because Green is anything special. At what point are we allowed to call James Young a bust? Should we bring back Fab Melo?

I think James Young's ceiling is to become a role player in a mediocre overseas league.

The only thing he is good at is shooting. People complain about Zeller and I have referred to him as a scrub. James Young isn't even a scrub. He's a charity case. As is Gerald Green at this point. Zeller got a charity contract. Amir got himself some charity money a couple years ago.

I don't mind it because they are only for one year deals. They either get it done or don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I love this team and season.

Unlike most, I leave open the possibility of something magical developing.

I try to be selectively negative.

The next two or three games should be revealing. Memphis and Indiana on the road. Are we a top ten team or not? Everyone's healthy and warmed up. Can we take care of Oklahoma at home?

There will also be a road game at Cleveland sometime in the future. We could use a win against a top team for confidence.

I don't see many cons to the team other than a few guys not pulling their weight, but maybe they will soon, such as Amir and Olynyk. We are going nowhere without those two getting it done.

We are clearly stacked at positions 1-3, with Jaylen Brown and two more Brooklyn probably top picks. I have come to the conclusion we are sitting pretty.

One of these games we are going to beat a scrub team by fifty points. Last night was almost it. The 2nd half we hit a wall, but it seemed that the first half was the best one we've had all year. Miami isn't that great, but guys like Crowder, Bradley, Isaiah, Olynyk, Amir, Al Horford, Smart and Rozier looked like a top team.

The 2nd half was painful. That was a dangerous game with lots of talk about unnatural acts. I wish the players weren't so dirty. Someone is going to get hurt out there. They are putting enough pressure on their bones as it is to stay optimally healthy with stamina.

Last year Rozier was looking like a scrub. Now he is shining. Patience is what I'm relying on to not let the setbacks get me too down. I avoid the negative threads which appear to be most of them. Things like picture us not winning a title or Al Horford is a waste of $28 million.

Although I do attack James Young, David Lee, Zeller and Gerald Green. I am not wearing green goggles for them.

I am trying to cut Amir and Olynyk slack because they have shown signs of being able to do what we need. Same with Jaylen Brown. I want him forced into the rotation.

We will become a great team as soon as the very young, ultra-fast and talented players mature. Rozier and Brown together is lightning fast for players. They address the fear of losing Turner who seemed able to prevent us going into long scoring droughts.

I do like to rant on. Please pardon my indulgence.

Re: The surprise early onset rebuild - pros and cons
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2016, 03:29:09 PM »

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I'll comment on ticket sales. I'm a STH and resell a lot of my tickets.

Before the season started, optimism ran high. Tickets were selling well above face value in the resale market and random games were going, instead of just the high-demand stuff. For the first time ever, I sold tickets to both of the preseason games.

Once the season started and we stumbled out of the gate, the market dried up. Total buyer strike. Nothing was moving, at any price. I sold Golden State tickets below face (and the game was on a Friday night, which generally sells well). Very soft market for much of the season.

Starting late last week, it started to open up, just a bit, although I think a lot of that is Christmas buying.

What's interesting is that the Celtics sold out their allocation of season tickets before the season started and, last year, when STH had the option to move up into unallocated seats (i.e., person in front of me decides not to renew, I have the opportunity to move up), there were only 30-40 seats available. In other words, just about everybody renewed their tickets.

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Re: The surprise early onset rebuild - pros and cons
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2016, 08:20:18 PM »

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Wow, that's the first time I've ever seen James Young getting less playing time listed as a "Con"
Ha! TP.

I just meant in the sense that we still don't know what we have there. Although that mystery makes him a little more valuable on the trade market I guess..
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Re: The surprise early onset rebuild - pros and cons
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2016, 08:37:55 PM »

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The biggest con is that we keep drafting in the middle of the 1st round.   Had our rebuild taken longer, we might have had a chance at Karl Towns in 2015 and two chances at Ben Simmons this Summer instead of one.  Having the Brooklyn picks are great, but having two Top 10 picks this Summer would be amazing.  I follow College ball closely and there's as many as 13 guys in this draft I'd rather have than Jaylen Brown.